The Phoenixian
The Glacier Witch
- Location
- My own little world
On the plus side, not only do I now command a majority of the votes, I also command a majority of the ballot positions.
Puella Magi Adfligo Systema
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AuraTwilight
The Sorcerer of Smiles
- Location
- The Silver City
Maybe, but this seems to be more emotionally based than wish-based. Madoka's themes don't change regardless of what she wishes for in any media. And yea, there's differences in Sayaka's psyche, but that's kind of also a point in the theory's favor since Sayaka is kind of weirdly indifferent to Kyousuke compared to other timelines.
Also, you didn't comment on Sayaka sympathizing with a witch, which is so out of character for her in Rebellion that Homura calls her on it in SHOCK.
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Always Happening
We could have prevented this.
- Location
- On a train with no brakes
More specifically, she wished that her grandma could be returned to normal for long enough for them to cook her strawberry risotto one last time (she kicked it immediately afterwards)-- not only was it brilliant in allowing them to say their goodbyes and make peace with her death, but Michiru knew specifically that healing her with magic would go against her grandmother's wishes.
In fact, that's another possible interpretation of her wish: She didn't try to fix the problem because she knew it wasn't a problem she could fix without regretting it. Thus, she didn't wish to hide the problem, but make peace with it; or, put another way, she wished to be okay with it. It's entirely possible that, as a result, trauma and despair just doesn't affect Michiru the same way they do other magical girls, explaining her constant optimism in the face of the meguca life, and enabling her to put on a strong front even when shit's falling apart and she's panicking internally (c.f. her getting witchbombed in her diary). It's entirely possible that she never despaired, but witched out by bottoming out her magic-- her students were none the wiser until she fainted in front of them and exploded, despite living constantly with two of them, and the signs of dangerously full Gems usually being extremely obvious.
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The Narrator
Disembodied Voice
- Location
- Somewhere Offscreen
Since there seemed be some debate recently about whether "Comfort Mami" is an automatic action, maybe we should actually compose and vote on a list of automatic actions that we want to have a standing order to always perform.
Stuff like:
[] Comfort Mami and encourage her sense of self-worth.
-[] Be as affectionate as appropriate for the circumstances.
[] Monitor the Soul Gems of our friend and allies and keep them clean.
[] Cleanse any Soul Gem within range that is >90% full.
[] Watch for any sign of an Incubator within our detection range.
Stuff like:
[] Comfort Mami and encourage her sense of self-worth.
-[] Be as affectionate as appropriate for the circumstances.
[] Monitor the Soul Gems of our friend and allies and keep them clean.
[] Cleanse any Soul Gem within range that is >90% full.
[] Watch for any sign of an Incubator within our detection range.
We healed his arm so she didn't have to worry about it, and Hitomi has tactfully refrained from delivering any ultimatums, so the most emotionally-charged aspects haven't had a chance to dominate. She seems to be more focused on her friends currently, possibly because of her sense of obligation toward Hitomi for giving her a place to stay and towards us for saving her life. However, she did insist on bringing Kyousuke to the picnic, which would indicate that she still has him on her mind.
Vebyast
Nascent Transhuman
That's exactly the proposed plan, yes.
I'll note that @AuraTwilight claims that Sayaka throughout Rebellion repeatedly demonstrates an amazing poker face. I'm not very good at evaluating that kind of thing myself, but I'm inclined to believe him, he's good at analysis like that.
The Narrator
Disembodied Voice
- Location
- Somewhere Offscreen
I propose that we do it when we're dropping the metabomb on her, so it'll be even more clear that the hints aren't a coincidence.
That was what I meant when I mentioned a "smartass remark regarding a witch." I assumed that you meant Sayaka saying something like, "I'd be pretty upset too if somebody busted into my home," when we went into a Witch's Barrier. Honestly, that's a pretty typical line for a hero heading into the monster's den. It didn't strike me as unusual in context.
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Torgamous
Aspiring Gynoid
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Higure
Witch of Faith
- Location
- The Golden Land
*sighs* Fucking Japan.
Always Happening
We could have prevented this.
- Location
- On a train with no brakes
Hey, it's not like they wore pants to begin with.
Vebyast
Nascent Transhuman
Yes. That's also necessary for explaining why we're putting up a privacy bubble before "casually dropping hints" on her.
AuraTwilight
The Sorcerer of Smiles
- Location
- The Silver City
Yea, but it's not typical behavior for Sayaka AT ALL. This is the girl who debuted as a Magical Girl with MAJOR, NOTICEABLE property damage to a building FULL of civilians, and shows active contempt to witches and familiar-farming Magical Girls.
The Narrator
Disembodied Voice
- Location
- Somewhere Offscreen
Another note on this: Sayaka's "sympathizing" with the witch (actually Homura, but neither Homura nor the audience knows it at the time) in Rebellion is a lot stronger, basically saying "Is she really so bad? Does she really need to be killed?" Sayaka in this timeline might have commiserated about understanding the witch's anger... but she still killed that witch dead without a moment's hesitation.
Sayaka's a lot angrier in canon because Mami was killed by a witch right in front of her, and she wrongfully blamed Homura for it. This Sayaka has not witnessed anyone dying horribly and knows that Homura is really a good person, so she's a lot more mellow.
(As for carving chunks out of the warehouse, I put that down to Sayaka being reckless and impatient more than anything, plus the urgency of needing to get the witch because it already had victims. It's not like she knocked the building down or set it on fire.)
Vebyast
Nascent Transhuman
Wouldn't she also know that, in this timeline, "dead" witches actually just go to Sabrina for almost-certain eventual dewitching? We're already operating under a "gank them now and let Us sort them out" protocol.
The Narrator
Disembodied Voice
- Location
- Somewhere Offscreen
What I'm getting at is that Sayaka's "sympathizing" with the witch in PMAS is more like someone regretting the need to put down a dangerous animal, rather than the "this is a once-good person that I wish I could save, twisted and victimized by the Incubators, as we all were" sympathizing of Rebellion.
AuraTwilight
The Sorcerer of Smiles
- Location
- The Silver City
I have to admit, one of the main reasons I'm totally pro-Mikiel is that Firn's seemed to imply a few times that we're missing something that would be obvious in hindsight and that apparently no one guessed it. This fits that criteria.
Also, not true on the SayaHomu hate, she disliked her before anything went wrong. Her bad impression came from Mami being hostile to her from the outset.
Also, not true on the SayaHomu hate, she disliked her before anything went wrong. Her bad impression came from Mami being hostile to her from the outset.
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Torgamous
Aspiring Gynoid
- Pronouns
- She/Her
There was that time Homu tried to kill Kyuubey and Sayaka threw a fire extinguisher at her.
AuraTwilight
The Sorcerer of Smiles
- Location
- The Silver City
True. But the thing is, all this shit from the first couple episodes should've still been in play in PMAS. But there's almost none of that animosity.
Granted, Sabrina did a LOT to turn things around, but Sayaka is stubborn and she seemed all too willing to give Homura another chance.
Torgamous
Aspiring Gynoid
- Pronouns
- She/Her
She was calling Homura a vampire up until we dropped the lichbomb on her, and stayed reluctant about the whole "not ostracizing her" thing until she learned about Walpurgisnacht. I never got the impression that she was looking for an excuse to be cordial.
Also, some perspective: Homura seemed more surprised about us staying with Mami after the lichbomb than she was about anything Sayaka said. You're downplaying how much Sabrina doing a lot to turn things around can actually do.
Eh. I've been skeptical about claims like that since Thag thought it should've been obvious that going to a museum of technology would make Priscilla want to get more in touch with her reality-eating scythe.
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Karnewarrior
Leastmost of the Hanged Man Arcana
What if Sayaka isn't Mikiel but the protagonist of another quest?
Some sort of... Sayaka Quest.
Some sort of... Sayaka Quest.
Torgamous
Aspiring Gynoid
- Pronouns
- She/Her
No. We've already got Mumi Quest and the Homu Home. That's more than enough.
BlackoutSampler
So Easily Forgotten
It'd never catch on.
Probably has lame stuff like armor and OCs with depth and character.
Torgamous
Aspiring Gynoid
- Pronouns
- She/Her
AKANE IS CANON
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Akane is stronger than a cannon.
Speaking as someone who can't really find the time to participate in the Discord, this isn't really the same thing at all. What got a lot of us upset before was how Discord users would spend hours crafting a vote, then all at once would bomb the thread with a fait accompli: one person pasting a vote and a dozen people bandwagoning on, with no explanation as to why or how any of them came up with it. It was getting to the point that you couldn't participate in the Quest without spending hours in the Discord; that's clearly not the case here. I do have some concern that the discussion might eventually swing back in that direction again, but we're extremely far from that eventuality at this point.
And our Sayaka had her house burned down by feuding megucas, was forced to rely on her rich friend for housing, and heard from Mami and Sabrina about the two of them having to intervene less than a week later in an intercity meguca war involving girls flinging around cars during rush hour. There have been a lot of formative events happening to Sayaka in the past week; I'd be completely shocked if she were the same Kyouske-focused determinator she was in canon.
At the same time, the thematic changes are well-spotted, and it makes sense that Madokami is having an influence on the world beyond that of only inserting Sabrina. I'm just not convinced that full-on shadow-Mikkeil is one of them: maybe Madokami just blessed Sayaka with a higher Potential so she'll have better survivability in the new world, and it's reflected in some "divine" imagery mixing in with her meguca theme?
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