Unfortunately, the giant epiphany storm happened on the discord, but we're now pretty sure something is up Sayaka. (Sympathetic to witches earlier and recently, never took her music player to Kyouske, she and Madoka both gave Nagisa an odd look on first meeting, has powers that mimic abilities shown in Rebellion, magic shows angelic imagery not previously associated with her, may have deliberately showed herself to Kyouko across the river, the list goes on.) Which is part of why I've been pushing for that meeting.
MY TIME HAS COME!

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In order to reassure Mami, consider spelling Sabrina telling Kazusa how the Clear Seeds will let her go back to school, in the vote.

I know that's what you're going for, but since you're already voting to comfort Mami instead of trusting Brinapilot, might as well make sure?
 
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MY TIME HAS COME!

For non-Discordians (pfeh, hail eris), a log of this discussion can be found here.

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If the premise of this Quest isn't even "real" because of Rebellion/Angel shenanigans, I will be very sad tbh :(
 
If the premise of this Quest isn't even "real" because of Rebellion/Angel shenanigans, I will be very sad tbh :(

It's not vanilla Rebellion, at the very least - we're not in Homura's barrier.

That said, I don't agree that Sayaka is acting particularly strangely, beyond the degree that would be expected due to dramatic irony. We can poke at it when we metabomb her, but I personally don't expect results from it.
 
In order to reassure Mami, consider spelling Sabrina telling Kazusa how the Clear Seeds will let her go back to school, in the vote.

I know that's what you're going for, but since you're already voting to comfort Mami instead of trusting Brinapilot, might as well make sure?
Hmmm, currently we're on 15 words for the job + segue, I think we can do it:
[ ]Sympathize: Being meguca really is a full-time job.
[ ]Segue into clear seed discussion.

Becomes:
[ ]Sympathize with magical girl career pressures. Perhaps there's a solution: Segue into clear seed discussion
 
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That whole theory is a stretch. Smiling at a cute kid and making a smartass remark about a Witch qualifies as suspicious now? You're deep in conspiracy theorist territory.


In any event, I'll give folks an hour or two to chime in before I switch my vote.
Implement some of these proposed changes and I could throw my vote behind it.
 
The Sayaka-as-secretary thing got me thinking, and if Sabrina ever has cause to be a secretary, she needs a skirt made of actual pencils.
 
That whole theory is a stretch. Smiling at a cute kid and making a smartass remark about a Witch qualifies as suspicious now? You're deep in conspiracy theorist territory.
You're cherry-picking supporting evidence ("things that could have disproven the hypothesis if they went a different way but didn't") and presenting it as the whole of the evidence.

And remember, IIRC we've gotten golden eyes before, so we know that madokami is involved. This is a very believable mechanism.
 
That whole theory is a stretch. Smiling at a cute kid and making a smartass remark about a Witch qualifies as suspicious now? You're deep in conspiracy theorist territory.
Well yeah at this point in time anything I say in regard to Nagisa is absolutely conspiracy theory stuff. It's an outgrowth of a theory from an readthrough upon entering the new readthrough. But at the same time It came after I concluded that something was up with Sayaka, not before.

Sayaka's stuff on witches should be read as a follow up to the post linked in the discord and an earlier note about an allusion to Madokami in the OP (When Madoka is wiping our face off with the handkerchief after asking Kyuubey our potential, Jist of the note was it was worth noting that happened in the OP, and that Firn wouldn't place something there for no reason. Even if it was just a vision that's something to keep in mind.



In any event! It's been an hour and fifty-three minutes, that should be enough time.


[X] Keep gently supporting Mami and reassuring her.
- [X] You're concerned. Ask Mami for her guidance on how to approach things, and follow it.

[X]Sympathize with magical girl career pressures. Perhaps there's a solution: Segue into clear seed discussion
- [X] We have prototypes but need testers.
- [X] All it takes is any grief seed. Does she have a spare or should we provide one?
- [X] Give the standard disclaimers.


[X] Try to touch on Asunaro meguca politics a bit. Especially old friends.

[X] Tell your friends that Kazuza is willing to visit Mitakihara.
-[X] Address any questions or concerns, offer to introduce Homura and Sayaka.
-[X] Raincheck a conversation with Sayaka later.

[X] Offer to ferry over Michiru tomorrow. If it wouldn't be too much imposition? Be insistent.
-[X] Schedule the pickup at a convenient time.

[X] Keep the conversation going, but try to end it on a high note.

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Wait a minute...

What wish could possibly have given this result without breaking the "Kyubey doesn't do the monkey's paw thing" principle?

Because she deliberately wished for that. Kazumi only wanted one day so she could get everything over with, with no regrets, and be at peace with everything as opposed to wishing her healthy and being upset in like three years if she got sick again.

Honestly it was a pretty wisely considered wish in that respect, since she actively tried to counter the possibility of regretting it later.

[x] Phoenixian
 
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You're cherry-picking supporting evidence ("things that could have disproven the hypothesis if they went a different way but didn't") and presenting it as the whole of the evidence.
Those two are the most outrageous examples, but hardly the only ones:

Saying Sabrina made an awesome wish? Even before she knew about grief building up in soul gems, she knew that we wished to control the power and substance of witches. That's a pretty potent power to have if you're going to be fighting witches.

Not bringing Kyousuke the music player? That could just be butterflies resulting from us showing up and changing events. Sayaka could just be in a different mood that day. That might not even be the day she brought it in the previous timeline. PMMM is hardly specific or clear about how many days passed between events. Or maybe we interrupted them before she started playing the music for him.

Getting along with Kyouko? The only reason Kyouko and Sayaka were at each others' throats is because of Kyouko's aggression. We told Kyouko that we wanted her to train Sayaka and to send wayward magical girls to us, so she had no reason to attack Sayaka in this timeline.

Sayaka wandering into Kyouko's territory? Kyouko's territory takes up our entire eastern border. She had a 25% chance of going there if she picked a direction in random, and the industrial area where meguca go to be alone (and where we trained with Sayaka that morning) is in the same direction.

Yes, we thought we saw a glimpse of Madokami at the start, but the points being put forward to support the idea of a post-Rebellion Sayaka are all extremely dubious. Put all in a row and not subjected to any sort of scrutiny or skepticism, it feels like a large quantity of evidence through sheer volume, but each link in the chain of reasoning is individually weak.

But hey, it's easy enough to test. Have a private conversation with Sayaka and start dropping hints. See if you get a response. I'm willing to bet that Sayaka does not have much of a poker face.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by Aranfan on Jun 21, 2017 at 1:17 PM, finished with 119251 posts and 23 votes.

  • [X] Keep gently supporting Mami and reassuring her.
    - [X] You're concerned. Ask Mami for her guidance on how to approach things, and follow it.
    [X]Sympathize with magical girl career pressures. Perhaps there's a solution: Segue into clear seed discussion
    - [X] We have prototypes but need testers.
    - [X] All it takes is any grief seed. Does she have a spare or should we provide one?
    - [X] Give the standard disclaimers.
    [X] Try to touch on Asunaro meguca politics a bit. Especially old friends.
    [X] Tell your friends that Kazuza is willing to visit Mitakihara.
    -[X] Address any questions or concerns, offer to introduce Homura and Sayaka.
    -[X] Raincheck a conversation with Sayaka later.
    [X] Offer to ferry over Michiru tomorrow. If it wouldn't be too much imposition? Be insistent.
    -[X] Schedule the pickup at a convenient time.
    [X] Keep the conversation going, but try to end it on a high note.
    [X] Ask Kazusa if she's available tomorrow. We'll pick her up during school time and bring her over. Figure out a time and place to meet up. Don't take no for an answer; it's no trouble and you don't have anything better to do anyway.
    -[X] Explain: Your ability to refresh Seeds, so don't discard them. Clear Seeds, every meguca group should have one, you'd appreciate the chance to have more beta testers.
    [X] Once you're done with Kazusa, bring back the Privacy Bubble.
    [X] Tell them about you bringing Kazusa over, and then properly visiting Asunaro later on.
    -[X] Explain Hijiri's copy magic might give her access to the Pleiades mind/memory magics and push for Kirika (and Oriko) to accompany you to help counter that.
    -[X] Mami is going by default.
    [X] Say goodbye to the Kures.
    [X] Ask Homura to have that chat, in private.
    [x] Phoenixian
    [x] And now I'm worried about you Kazusa, you didn't answer about how hunting is, you're worried about Mitakihara being able to support seven girls when your group is seven girls, and you're apparently so busy hunting you don't have time for school. I can be over in an hour to refresh your gems and grief seeds.
    [x] The Pheonixian
 
Those two are the most outrageous examples, but hardly the only ones:

Saying Sabrina made an awesome wish? Even before she knew about grief building up in soul gems, she knew that we wished to control the power and substance of witches. That's a pretty potent power to have if you're going to be fighting witches.

Not bringing Kyousuke the music player? That could just be butterflies resulting from us showing up and changing events. Sayaka could just be in a different mood that day. That might not even be the day she brought it in the previous timeline. PMMM is hardly specific or clear about how many days passed between events. Or maybe we interrupted them before she started playing the music for him.

Getting along with Kyouko? The only reason Kyouko and Sayaka were at each others' throats is because of Kyouko's aggression. We told Kyouko that we wanted her to train Sayaka and to send wayward magical girls to us, so she had no reason to attack Sayaka in this timeline.

Sayaka wandering into Kyouko's territory? Kyouko's territory takes up our entire eastern border. She had a 25% chance of going there if she picked a direction in random, and the industrial area where meguca go to be alone (and where we trained with Sayaka that morning) is in the same direction.

Yes, we thought we saw a glimpse of Madokami at the start, but the points being put forward to support the idea of a post-Rebellion Sayaka are all extremely dubious. Put all in a row and not subjected to any sort of scrutiny or skepticism, it feels like a large quantity of evidence through sheer volume, but each link in the chain of reasoning is individually weak.

But hey, it's easy enough to test. Have a private conversation with Sayaka and start dropping hints. See if you get a response. I'm willing to bet that Sayaka does not have much of a poker face.

Okay, and Sayaka having angel motifs in her magic, now?

Are we doing the discord shadow cabal bullshit yet again?

*sigh*

Dude, it's a log about Veb and some other people crackpot-theorizing over Sayaka being an angel, knock it off.
 
Okay, and Sayaka having angel motifs in her magic, now?
Perhaps because it's thematically appropriate. Why did she have music and mermaid motifs in her magic before? Because she wished for the sake of a doomed love for a musician. What did she wish for this time? To be able to help people. What do modern conceptions of angels envision them doing?
 
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Wow, 3 voters getting The Phoenixian's name wrong.
Adhoc vote count started by 4Dname on Jun 22, 2017 at 12:54 AM, finished with 119304 posts and 25 votes.

  • [X] Keep gently supporting Mami and reassuring her.
    - [X] You're concerned. Ask Mami for her guidance on how to approach things, and follow it.
    [X]Sympathize with magical girl career pressures. Perhaps there's a solution: Segue into clear seed discussion
    - [X] We have prototypes but need testers.
    - [X] All it takes is any grief seed. Does she have a spare or should we provide one?
    - [X] Give the standard disclaimers.
    [X] Try to touch on Asunaro meguca politics a bit. Especially old friends.
    [X] Tell your friends that Kazuza is willing to visit Mitakihara.
    -[X] Address any questions or concerns, offer to introduce Homura and Sayaka.
    -[X] Raincheck a conversation with Sayaka later.
    [X] Offer to ferry over Michiru tomorrow. If it wouldn't be too much imposition? Be insistent.
    -[X] Schedule the pickup at a convenient time.
    [X] Keep the conversation going, but try to end it on a high note.
    [X] You're concerned, both about Kazusa's implied Grief Seed crunch and Mami's tension. Ask Mami for her guidance on how to approach things, and follow it.
    [X] Sympathize with magical girl career pressures.
    - [X] Suggest Clear Seeds as a solution. We have prototypes but need testers.
    - [X] All it takes is any grief seed. Does she have a spare or should we provide one?
    [X] Offer to ferry over Michiru tomorrow. Be insistent; it's no trouble for you at all.
    [X] Small talk; keep things positive.
    [X] After the conversation is over, bring the Mitakihara crowd up to speed about Kazusa and the Saints' visit.
    [X] Lower Cone of Silence, and bring up some of the redacted details from your metaknowledge, like Hijiri and her power.
    [x] And now I'm worried about you Kazusa, you didn't answer about how hunting is, you're worried about Mitakihara being able to support seven girls when your group is seven girls, and you're apparently so busy hunting you don't have time for school. I can be over in an hour to refresh your gems and grief seeds.
 
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