It's not that clear cut. The Spirit talkers considered the Lowlands cursed and thus their sacred duty to make war on those who lived there. We think the Xoh worship demons... following in the Spirit Talkers footsteps is not impossible.
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It's not that clear cut. The Spirit talkers considered the Lowlands cursed and thus their sacred duty to make war on those who lived there. We think the Xoh worship demons... following in the Spirit Talkers footsteps is not impossible.
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Hopefully this helps clear things up.
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But I'd rather not worship those demons or allow them to corrupt others into being virgin/baby killers
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I think what that was, was a combo doom platter of Observance and Sacred War. Another thing to remember was that the Spirit Talkers had existed for several thousand years before they died, by word of AN.
Hmm... yeah their great age probably let them get ahead on that track to !!Crusades!! and the like. At least that's what I think about it.
The values of the Xoh and the Ymaryn are too far in opposition for either to convert the other passively IMO.
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I just looked at pilgrimage again, and I noticed that The Thunder Speaker priests are still trying to convert people.
Is it possible the Xoh empire could be facing a North/South religious divide?
You don't, if the Xoh gain leading then it's likely they could convert several provinces or periphery states. It's how the mechanics work
Is it possible the Xoh empire could be facing a North/South religious divide?
How do you know that?
You don't, if the Xoh gain leading then it's likely they could convert several provinces or periphery states. It's how the mechanics work
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Oooooohhhh.
Nasty.
If that particular Civ Zit pops. Vital fluids and viscera for everyone!
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It reminds me of the Romans and the Jews, the Romans believed that the Jews refusal to sacrifice would make the gods angry and doom Rome (later on the same with the early church), and so many wars were fought.
But the conflict isn't really an ideological war(on the Romans side that is) , polythiests have no problem with multiple gods, and so always add God's and acknowledge new gods, ofcourse sometimes gods are lesser or thier priests problematic and don't deserve temples and sacrifice (what the Romans did to the gallic pantheon).
The Xoh and spirit Talkers war is in that Vien I believe.
As for ymri and Xoh and Highland, all of them see the others gods as Gods, so the point of conflict will not be religious. The fact that we are competing for pilgrims means that we all have compatable types of polythiesim.
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You're getting tilted again. I'd take a second to chill and give yourself some time to process.
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I'm just pointing out that he has no basis for that argument, nothing more
How do you know? You are speculating about possible future mechanics. It seems to me the burden of proof is mostly on you.
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That is valid to attempt, but there are better ways to do it that come off with less hostility and make people more likely to agree with you.
Nay I believe the burden of proof is on you both. That's how fair arguments work.
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[X] [Library] Sacred Forest
[X] [Temple] See to the spread of the techniques that went into making this place (+3 art, tech advance)
[X] [Corruption] Deploy force
[X] [Diplo] Send aid to the Metal Workers (-2 Diplo, -2 Econ, -2 Art, -2 Mysticism)
[X] [Policy] Defence
[X] [Temple] See to the spread of the techniques that went into making this place (+3 art, tech advance)
[X] [Corruption] Deploy force
[X] [Diplo] Send aid to the Metal Workers (-2 Diplo, -2 Econ, -2 Art, -2 Mysticism)
[X] [Policy] Defence
maximillian
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Another point I'd like to add is that there has been quite a lot of mixing and modifying of God's going on in the lowlands and Highlands further giving credence the current theology being of all God's are valid but unequal
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Okay so, we know that the more pilgrims travel to a holy place the more influential that holy place, common sense.
The Ymaryn haven't outright said the Xoh gods aren't some sort of gods, that's not in our traits. Thus if our curious shamans and priests go to explore this really popular holy sight and see these gods being worshipped by a whole empire, then they will likely try to either prove their not real, which could backfire and legitimise the Xoh gods, or take this popularity as proof of divinity and bring some of the gods back to us.
It's how religion spreads in the real world, saying it won't with no reasoning beyond 'it doesn't fit our culture', which is untrue as cultures change and as I've said we haven't outright said their gods are not gods, it's not part of our culture, means you have to disprove why the real world examples of how religion spreading are not going to be applicable in this case.
So again, as others have said, the burden of proof has always been on you.
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Why do you people want shprt term benefits so much?
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We should probably ask AN about what the current religions look like. And ask about what's up with the Thunder Speakers and the Xoh both being on the tracker for Pilgrimage even though they are parts of the same empire.
This is wrong.
If you remember, we had "sacred war" for a time as well.
And our reason for the sacred war we participated in with the early Xoh, was explicitly their habit to sacrifice people to their gods, something we found offensive.
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And something that can change with time, same as our slow creep towards hereditary leadership
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@Academia Nut
How accepting are current civilizations of other pantheons. Do they recognise them as valid but lesser? Or are they seen as but spirits of some note whilst the actual gods are elsewhere? Or are pantheons fixed and exclusive?
How accepting are current civilizations of other pantheons. Do they recognise them as valid but lesser? Or are they seen as but spirits of some note whilst the actual gods are elsewhere? Or are pantheons fixed and exclusive?
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*tilts head in pseudo shrug*
It can happen, but it will take quite some time and the thread will actively fight against it if they see it's influence.
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You people do know we will likely get the tech anyway right? I mean it is not like we would forget the knowledge of how to build something especially with our new library right there we would just get the tech slowly but we would still get the tech.
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[X] [Library] Sacred Forest
[X] [Temple] Let the glory of your gods be known far and wide (+1 Prestige, Pilgrimage trade power increased)
[X] [Corruption] Deploy force
[X] [Diplo] Send aid to the Metal Workers (-2 Diplo, -2 Econ, -2 Art, -2 Mysticism)
[x] [Policy] No change
Policy change seems useless without the juice to power it. I'd rather rush the megaproject.
@Academia Nut , How do the Thunder Speakers feel about the Thunder Horse going native on the Xosshyri ?
[X] [Temple] Let the glory of your gods be known far and wide (+1 Prestige, Pilgrimage trade power increased)
[X] [Corruption] Deploy force
[X] [Diplo] Send aid to the Metal Workers (-2 Diplo, -2 Econ, -2 Art, -2 Mysticism)
[x] [Policy] No change
Policy change seems useless without the juice to power it. I'd rather rush the megaproject.
@Academia Nut , How do the Thunder Speakers feel about the Thunder Horse going native on the Xosshyri ?
maximillian
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Precisly we were abhorred by the bloodthirsty gods and priests, the key thing however is that we recognised them as Gods, albeit evil ones. And we only waged war on the priests. We believed thier practice is a danger to us.
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