Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
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Individual guilds aren't going to survive a civilization collapse any better than the individual operators. If you're really concerned about that, geographic removes the incentives to hoard important knowledge and experience among a deliberately scare few and instead encourages spreading it to everyone who can make any use of it.
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- Staring into the void
[x] [Main] Great Temple
[x] [Secondary] Enforce Justice
[x] [Secondary] Enforce Justicex2
[x] [Secondary] Enforce Justice
[x] [Secondary] Enforce Justicex2
[x][Clan] Roll back, institute geographic administration within Valleyhome (Possibility of stability loss)
[x][Main] Great Temple
[x][Secondary] Enforce Justice
[x][Secondary] Enforce Justice x2
I think Enforce Justice is better than Enforce Law if we're trying to test new laws at the same time, so I'm willing to do both. Wouldn't have been as happy doing it with Enforce Law.
[x][CA] Xohyssiri
Listening to arguments on this one, but I'd really rather not pick up a raiding trait, and the Xoh seem to have cut back on that these days. I suppose I could go for the Thunder Speakers, too.
[x][Main] Great Temple
[x][Secondary] Enforce Justice
[x][Secondary] Enforce Justice x2
I think Enforce Justice is better than Enforce Law if we're trying to test new laws at the same time, so I'm willing to do both. Wouldn't have been as happy doing it with Enforce Law.
[x][CA] Xohyssiri
Listening to arguments on this one, but I'd really rather not pick up a raiding trait, and the Xoh seem to have cut back on that these days. I suppose I could go for the Thunder Speakers, too.
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- Philippines
So since we are campaigning for our preffered vote may I convince you guys to vite Xoh to get back GG? Also how about
[] [Secondary] Grand Sacrifice
[] [Secondary] Enforce Justice
[] [Secondary] Grand Sacrifice
[] [Secondary] Enforce Justice
May I convince you to change one of your enforce justice to a grand sacrifice for a guaranteed +2 Stab? You as well @Candesce?[x] [Main] Great Temple
[x] [Secondary] Enforce Justice
[x] [Secondary] Enforce Justicex2
[x] [CA] Xohyssiri
[x] [Clan] Roll back, institute occupational administration within Valleyhome (Possibility of stability loss)
I'm sure we wouldn't step into caste system. (Even if some of our people are trapped in half-exile duties for generations.)
Hereditary nobility is ok too. <-- might flip to other side.
Also, HK being greedy stealing our ironweaponstools of peace.
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- Mists of Albion
Here's the QM's info on Occupational vs Geographical @No7sHere
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Individual guilds won't, but the knowledge will.
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- Hell
Just as a reminded, Passive Econ Loss is actually 2. 1 from True City, 1 from Megaproject.
Also a reminder that we won't get it perfect the first time. That is how it works. Our job is to improve the system.
[X][Clan] Roll back, institute geographic administration within Valleyhome (Possibility of stability loss)
[X][Main] Great Temple
[X][Secondary] Enforce Justice
[X][Secondary] Enforce Justice x2
[X][CA] Xohyssiri
After all the hate, I am glad they have turned around and offer good traits.
Also a reminder that we won't get it perfect the first time. That is how it works. Our job is to improve the system.
[X][Clan] Roll back, institute geographic administration within Valleyhome (Possibility of stability loss)
[X][Main] Great Temple
[X][Secondary] Enforce Justice
[X][Secondary] Enforce Justice x2
[X][CA] Xohyssiri
After all the hate, I am glad they have turned around and offer good traits.
VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
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- Anywhere but RL
GG is gone at end of prior turn, so it's not on the table sadly.
And i kinda want to see the shenanigans main enfore justice would incur.
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
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- ꙮ
I don't agree on either point: 1) you can change caste systems by marriage, it's just difficult, 2) you can't change guilds because a) you'd likely have to go through the entire journeyman process once again, b) the guild you left would hate you and probably have the power to pursue that hate, and c) for any job where you don't have to relearn everything would be so close to your old job that you'd be suspected of giving away guild secrets. People under guild systems did not change guilds, at best their children did.
If you're in a geographical system people are more likely to be united by location across class and occupational bounds.
Why would we care about it being meritocratic? We're trying to make each area as organized and effective as possible. This is resource administration more than it is a power hierarchy. In regards to administration geography is the best choice.
But the Xoh have become a fairly peaceful trading society, meaning that we won't hate anything we get from them. Besides, we might be able to merge what we get with cosmopolitan acceptance since their traits probably facilitate trade.GG is gone at end of prior turn, so it's not on the table sadly.
DocMatoi
Theoretical Lover of Girls
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- within 2 hours of the White House
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- They/Them
we lost greand sac
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- Third planet from the star named Sol
- Pronouns
- He/They
You know, I just realized why our people have grown to like the Xoh so much, it's because we kept taking the Greater Good trait, bringing our culture closer to theirs.
[x] [Main] Great Temple
[x] [Secondary] Enforce Justice
[x] [Secondary] Enforce Justicex2
[x] [CA] Xohyssiri
[x] [Clan] Roll back, institute occupational administration within Valleyhome (Possibility of stability loss)
[x] [Main] Great Temple
[x] [Secondary] Enforce Justice
[x] [Secondary] Enforce Justicex2
[x] [CA] Xohyssiri
[x] [Clan] Roll back, institute occupational administration within Valleyhome (Possibility of stability loss)
VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
- Location
- Anywhere but RL
I thought some people are completely against cementing hereditary anything? Location based power structure/order would lead to powerful local families anyway.
Sure occupational based is likely to be similar, but it adds competency requirements to be elected by their professionals.
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- Mists of Albion
Meritocracy helps with that....
DocMatoi
Theoretical Lover of Girls
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- within 2 hours of the White House
- Pronouns
- They/Them
it took us a nat 100 innovate roll- they're not gonna pick it up that quick. more likely they'll think that the secret magic weapons are breaking down outside of the hands of their rightful owners.
Read this post. We'd be increasing nepotism and stratification.
1) What? No, with most caste systems, you really couldn't. At least not upwards.
2) Probably not. Remember, the main driver of our innovation is our priests. They distribute the knowledge, meaning that no guild is likely to have any real secrets or reason to pursue someone leaving. Instead, the guilds will be a mostly political thing, like unions are now.
Eh. That's why we have Love of Wisdom to propel us.
It's hard to steal the secrets of why some societies are more innovative than others. Social systems are not easily replicable, even if you can see it, smell it, talk to it, etc.
See third world countries.
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- Hell
Actually they currently have a Nomad king, it is the reason they don't like us, but are willing to trade. They know they cannot win, so they make due.
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- Mists of Albion
Aside from the still constant humans sacrifice and slavery, both of which the Ymaryn find distasteful so to speak