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DocMatoi said:
Any authoritarian form of government is inherently not socialist. I think you're working with a bad definition of socialist.
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The fascist movement was a direct offshoot of the communist movements in Europe post ww1.

Hell the founder of Fascism mousolini was the head of the Italian socialist party. The ideals and methods of both the socialists and fascists where almost identical.
The only difference was socialists wanted a global workers paradise whilst fascists wanted a national one, and they emphasised more heavily on nationhood rather than class .

The very name nationalist socialist should be clear enough indication of the socialist root of the party.

Look at the speeches for better understanding, the bulk of Hitler speeches where on the plight of the German workers, poor and labourers, and the need for solidarity and overthrowing the yoke of the evil juden (the focus on Jews is the only real divergence from mainstream communist speeches of the time) and thier bourgeois puppets.
 
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maximillian said:
The fascist movement was a direct offshoot of the communist movements in Europe post ww1.

Hell the founder of Fascism mousolini was the head of the Italian socialist party. The ideals and methods of both the socialists and fascists where almost identical.
The only difference was socialists wanted a global workers paradise whilst fascists wanted a national one, and they emphasised more heavily on nationhood rather than class .
The very name nationalist socialist should be clear enough indication of the socialist root of the party.
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I disagree but I get the feeling an argument on this will be both time-consuming, off topic, and pointless. So I will say only this: Communism and Socialism are not the same thing. That is an annoyingly common misconception.
 
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Ghostdevil said:
How can you deal with the Xoh's Gods?
Their a social construct... not real except in the minds of mere men.
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Oh please. Next thing you'll tell me is that Gygowyn wasn't made from mud and that Crow was just a regular chief whose descendants got lucky.

As for how we deal with Xoh's Gods? Well, we can't unless we desire to offer them tribute. Even Tuultox, the 'nicest' of of the bunch, takes the lives of pregnant mothers and prostitutes as payment for her services. That's a price beyond what the People should pay.

But perhaps weaker Demons could be sated with lesser sacrifices, while also causing lesser damage if they run rampage. So maybe finding some of the less malicious ones could, ultimately, prove advantageous to not just the Ymaryn, but also Gygowyn's descendants as a whole.
Or maybe it would turn our hills into the Lowlands, that's also a distinct possibility.

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Sivantic said:
So are the People's Spirits. Calm down.

Also we've been very open to the existent of other spirits that aren't worshipped by us. They wouldn't demy them like yiu did here.
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No offense, but I am calm, I know ours don't exist either... that statement wasn't from a IC perspective, that's from reality's perspective on this story.
 
Abby Normal said:
Hmm-am I right in thinking that these are representative of our People's views on power and authority, and who should have them and why? The "rarely lesser spirits can be Gods" in particular makes me think of how "rarely lowly farmers can be made farming chief and gain power"
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I'm getting distinct flavours and scents of Shinto and Chinese Heavenly bureaucracy reading all of that. Kinda cool actually.

Looking at it in total you can see Crow as almost demonstratively our most ancient Spirit. Because Age -> he must have created the rest.

This will all certainly lead to some interesting things later on.
 
maximillian said:
The fascist movement was a direct offshoot of the communist movements in Europe post ww1.

Hell the founder of Fascism mousolini was the head of the Italian socialist party. The ideals and methods of both the socialists and fascists where almost identical.
The only difference was socialists wanted a global workers paradise whilst fascists wanted a national one, and they emphasised more heavily on nationhood rather than class .

The very name nationalist socialist should be clear enough indication of the socialist root of the party.

Look at the speeches for better understanding, the bulk of Hitler speeches where on the plight of the German workers, poor and labourers, and the need for solidarity and overthrowing the yoke of the evil juden (the focus on Jews is the only real divergence from mainstream communist speeches of the time) and thier bourgeois puppets.
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Fascism is a very confusing thing to understand in the first place. You define fascism more by what it is not.
 
DocMatoi said:
So I will say only this: Communism and Socialism are not the same thing. That is an annoyingly common misconception.
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Well, it's understandably common since the western communist superpower described themselves as Socialist. Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

Along with that historical conflation, they share a few tenets and a lot of rhetoric. It's no wonder people lump them together.
 
Idle speculation for modern day-ish megaprojects.

* Arcology - The ultimate in complete ecologically friendly ultra high-density living.
* Sunshade and Mirror - Now that Earth has a space industry set up. Some has suggested reflecting infrared radiation while reflecting more useful form of light onto Earth, turning our home into a garden.
* Intercontinental Tunnel Network - Connect global society through a globe spanning underground railway network.
 
Idle speculation for modern day-ish megaprojects.

* Arcology - The ultimate in complete ecologically friendly ultra high-density living. Such a city would be capable of providing food, water, sewer treatment, and so forth. It is also the culmination of thousand of years of ecoengineering knowledge.
* Sunshade and Mirror - Now that Earth has a space industry set up. Some has suggested reflecting infrared radiation while reflecting more useful form of light onto Earth, turning our home into a garden.
* Intercontinental Tunnel Network - Connect global society through a globe spanning underground railway network.
 
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maximillian said:
The fascist movement was a direct offshoot of the communist movements in Europe post ww1.

Hell the founder of Fascism mousolini was the head of the Italian socialist party. The ideals and methods of both the socialists and fascists where almost identical.
The only difference was socialists wanted a global workers paradise whilst fascists wanted a national one, and they emphasised more heavily on nationhood rather than class .

The very name nationalist socialist should be clear enough indication of the socialist root of the party.

Look at the speeches for better understanding, the bulk of Hitler speeches where on the plight of the German workers, poor and labourers, and the need for solidarity and overthrowing the yoke of the evil juden (the focus on Jews is the only real divergence from mainstream communist speeches of the time) and thier bourgeois puppets.
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It's worth mentioning that both the social programs and racism of Nazi Germany aren't features of fascism. We always think of the Nazis as the exemplars of fascism because we have a severe cultural scar from their atrocities. In the process though, people accidentally conflate facets specific to that regime with the form of government in general.
 
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pblur said:
It's worth mentioning that both the social programs and racism of Nazi Germany aren't features of fascism. We always think of the Nazis as the exemplars of fascism because we have a severe cultural scar from their atrocities. In the process though, people accidentally conflate facets specific to that regime with the form of government in general.
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Might want to just requote Kiba since what you are doing right now looks a little weird.
 
Kiba said:
Idle speculation for modern day-ish megaprojects.

* Arcology - The ultimate in complete ecologically friendly ultra high-density living. Such a city would be capable of providing food, water, sewer treatment, and so forth. It is also the culmination of thousand of years of ecoengineering knowledge.
* Sunshade and Mirror - Now that Earth has a space industry set up. Some has suggested reflecting infrared radiation while reflecting more useful form of light onto Earth, turning our home into a garden.
* Intercontinental Tunnel Network - Connect global society through a globe spanning underground railway network.
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Tbh the mirror would be better spent on Mars or one of the outer planets.

The tunnel network might work for connecting through the Atlantic, but going the other way would probably be too far, and the creation and maintenance process of both tunnels would be an unbelievable amount of effort for a somewhat bottlenecked result. Zeppelins would be easier.
 
I just caught up with this quest, and, AN, this is really cool. Kudos. I find it interesting the way Ashryn splintered into Axchin and Arxyn, and the way that Gwygotha managed to splinter into part of a creation story, a demon, and Crow-knows what else. I was almost cheering out loud every time the shamans got their medical on, and the establishment of the Sacred Warding was awesome. There were tears in my eyes when I read about people sacrificing themselves to experimentation in order to cure the blue plague, and when seeing how that knowledge opened diplomatic relations with the Dead Priests.

I found the way you handled the development of experimental wisdom really interesting too, with the choice between different modalities of rationality.

AND I STILL WANT TO KNOW WHETHER MAGIC IS REAL.

There's so much weak evidence that it works, up to and including stuff like those apocalyptic droughts, and even some stronger evidence, like the shaman's work curing that one senile king, but almost all of it could come down to the placebo effect/understood phenomena that the shamans stumble into and practice as magic. The way that religious figures, including some specific ones invoked in magical rituals, are specific to the cultures they're worshiped by, and warp in name and story over time, suggests that it's at the very least a very flexible system. The success of the Spirit-Talkers in the early game, and their cave in the mountains - was that down to psychological effects? Psychoactive drugs?

And, most importantly, if there is magic, is it the sort that will get refined in the future, the sort that actually functions according to comprehensible scientific principles?
 
On the question of what happens to the Heart Soul after death, it is believed to enter a natural cycle of rebirth with other spirits. While biased towards animating human bodies, they can spend time in animal or even plant bodies for a time, and this is the primary source of 'contamination' of the human spirit, in that sometimes a Heart Soul that was once within an animal animates a gestating human, bringing slightly mismatched spiritual energies with it. The Heart and Mind Souls also each have a sex to them, and these can be accidentally mismatched. While this can cause considerable distress for a Mind Soul, it also provides both male and female energies in abundance, allowing for the working of powerful magic once the distress has been smoothed out. Lesser mismatches or the addition of extra souls are also attributed to other distresses and strengths.

Dead bodies, with their missing Heart Soul, are seen of as places where demons can hop in, but all but the most powerful demons can't actually animate the body, and instead thrash about within the corpse, casting their curses and causing disease and decay.
 
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