Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
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[X] [Temple] Sacred Forest
[X] [Law] Restrict access points (Main Build Wall)
[X] [Diplo] Send missions to the west (Secondary Trade missions to Hathatyn and Metal Workers)
[X] [Law] Restrict access points (Main Build Wall)
[X] [Diplo] Send missions to the west (Secondary Trade missions to Hathatyn and Metal Workers)
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
- Location
- Lickwidget
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- She/Her
Hmm we are at six Mysticism. Interesting.
[X] [Temple] Sacred Forest
Here are my reasons.
[X] [Diplo] Remind the lowlands of your wealth and power (Main Salt Gift)
I want to attempt @Guile's suggestion. Not sure if it will work but hey worth a shot.
[X] [Law] Restrict access points (Main Build Wall)
This should put us back at 6 Econ slots and high Econ. Not a permanent solution but it will work somewhat and will fortify Valleyhome.
Hmmmmmm.... I need to think about the clan issue some. Going for [] [Clan] Make clan adoption rules better able to handle situations seems acceptable but I would prefer either of geographic or occupation. Really need to think.
We seemed to have cracked the Metal Nomads and the remnants of NomadSon so I think leaving the Metal Workers alone should be fine. We can send a trade to them this coming turn.
[X] [Temple] Sacred Forest
Here are my reasons.
[X] [Diplo] Remind the lowlands of your wealth and power (Main Salt Gift)
I want to attempt @Guile's suggestion. Not sure if it will work but hey worth a shot.
[X] [Law] Restrict access points (Main Build Wall)
This should put us back at 6 Econ slots and high Econ. Not a permanent solution but it will work somewhat and will fortify Valleyhome.
Hmmmmmm.... I need to think about the clan issue some. Going for [] [Clan] Make clan adoption rules better able to handle situations seems acceptable but I would prefer either of geographic or occupation. Really need to think.
We seemed to have cracked the Metal Nomads and the remnants of NomadSon so I think leaving the Metal Workers alone should be fine. We can send a trade to them this coming turn.
[X] [Temple] Sacred Forest
[X] [Clan] Dissolve clans within the city in favour of geographically linked administration
[x] [Law] Recruit more peacekeepers (Main More Blackbirds)
[x] [Diplo] Send missions to the west (Secondary Trade missions to Hathatyn and Metal Workers)
[X] [Clan] Dissolve clans within the city in favour of geographically linked administration
[x] [Law] Recruit more peacekeepers (Main More Blackbirds)
[x] [Diplo] Send missions to the west (Secondary Trade missions to Hathatyn and Metal Workers)
- Location
- United States
[X] [Temple] Sacred Forest
[X] [Clan] Make clan adoption rules better able to handle situations
[x] [Law] Recruit more peacekeepers (Main More Blackbirds)
[x] [Diplo] Send missions to the west (Secondary Trade missions to Hathatyn and Metal Workers)
[X] [Clan] Make clan adoption rules better able to handle situations
[x] [Law] Recruit more peacekeepers (Main More Blackbirds)
[x] [Diplo] Send missions to the west (Secondary Trade missions to Hathatyn and Metal Workers)
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VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
- Location
- Anywhere but RL
@Academia Nut
Does points transfer to March count as economy spending for True city to give economy expansion slots?
Do we have a lot of roads leading into True city?
Does our settlements/villages at southern borders have land/water use disagreement with HK or Hathatyn?
Does points transfer to March count as economy spending for True city to give economy expansion slots?
Do we have a lot of roads leading into True city?
Does our settlements/villages at southern borders have land/water use disagreement with HK or Hathatyn?
Abby Normal
High Clerk of the Ymaryn
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- He/Him
Good point, i didn't think of that... Though then as others said it would make us too high on martial, and i'm not sure the thread will vote to establish the third march like i want to :/
I wholeheartedly agree with this.
I mean...5 and i think 6 are both "yellow", which is approaching the cap, and also where we need to be to get advancements in admin tech for the most part...if nothing else i'd like to go up to yellow during our next golden age if possible, so that our golden age advancement is more likely to be admin-focused
Makes sense
For now:
[X] [Temple] Sacred Forest
[X] [Clan] Make clan adoption rules better able to handle situations
[X] [Law] Recruit more peacekeepers (Main More Blackbirds)
[X] [Diplo] Send missions to the west (Secondary Trade missions to Hathatyn and Metal Workers)
With the plan to make the NE march next turn to lower martial, and finish the march wall, since damn if having two marches hasn't been useful =D
- Location
- The willow crowned hill
- Pronouns
- She/They
It's also worth noting that [] [Clan] Dissolve clans within the city in favour of occupationally linked administration will probably lead to guilds, while [] [Clan] Make clan adoption rules better able to handle situations will allow us to get back to something more meritocratic.
[X] [Temple] Sacred Forest
[X] [Clan] Make clan adoption rules better able to handle situations
[X] [Diplo] Send missions to the west (Secondary Trade missions to Hathatyn and Metal Workers)
[X] [Temple] Sacred Forest
[X] [Clan] Make clan adoption rules better able to handle situations
[X] [Diplo] Send missions to the west (Secondary Trade missions to Hathatyn and Metal Workers)
- Location
- United States
[X] [Temple] Sacred Forest
[X] [Clan] Make clan adoption rules better able to handle situations
[X] [Law] Restrict access points (Main Build Wall)
[X] [Diplo] Look around for more reasonable people (Main Sailing Mission)
Patching it is a good stop gap until we either finish the temple or firgue out a better way to fix it.
The wall will give us even more construction experience and give us 1 mysticism and 1 art (which will overflow into mysticism).
I don't really care about the west right now honestly. The western nomads are broken, so they're unavailable to be recruited for a campaign against us. The Hathatyn are chumps who can't affect us.
I'd much rather sail around and see if we can't find new settlement options, new civs to trade with, and maybe inspire our boat builders even more.
[X] [Clan] Make clan adoption rules better able to handle situations
[X] [Law] Restrict access points (Main Build Wall)
[X] [Diplo] Look around for more reasonable people (Main Sailing Mission)
Patching it is a good stop gap until we either finish the temple or firgue out a better way to fix it.
The wall will give us even more construction experience and give us 1 mysticism and 1 art (which will overflow into mysticism).
I don't really care about the west right now honestly. The western nomads are broken, so they're unavailable to be recruited for a campaign against us. The Hathatyn are chumps who can't affect us.
I'd much rather sail around and see if we can't find new settlement options, new civs to trade with, and maybe inspire our boat builders even more.
- Location
- United States
Abby Normal
High Clerk of the Ymaryn
- Pronouns
- He/Him
I'm pretty sure we only got the Canal bonus on the double-main walls, not a regular main.
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- He/Him
- Location
- USA
[X] [Temple] Sacred Forest
[X] [Clan] Make clan adoption rules better able to handle situations
[X] [Law] Restrict access points (Main Build Wall)
[X] [Diplo] Send missions to the west (Secondary Trade missions to Hathatyn and Metal Workers
Transfering points into Marchs is expensive in terms of actions, especially because we are locked into Main -Build Temple for the foreseeable future.
[X] [Clan] Make clan adoption rules better able to handle situations
[X] [Law] Restrict access points (Main Build Wall)
[X] [Diplo] Send missions to the west (Secondary Trade missions to Hathatyn and Metal Workers
Transfering points into Marchs is expensive in terms of actions, especially because we are locked into Main -Build Temple for the foreseeable future.
- Location
- madison
Oh crow, not again! <tax reform flashbacks intensify>
pblur
Reminiscing over the halcyon days of Ymaryn
- Location
- Lawrence's Wagon
[X] [Temple] Redshore
[X] [Clan] Make clan adoption rules better able to handle situations
[X] [Law] Crackdown on all this crime (Main Enforce Law)
[X] [Diplo] Remind the lowlands of your wealth and power (Main Salt Gift)
Ok, post analysis swap. I think adoption fix is better than dissolving them and less prone to vote abuse than formation/dissolution.
I think Salt Gift has a good chance of buying us time.
[X] [Clan] Make clan adoption rules better able to handle situations
[X] [Law] Crackdown on all this crime (Main Enforce Law)
[X] [Diplo] Remind the lowlands of your wealth and power (Main Salt Gift)
Ok, post analysis swap. I think adoption fix is better than dissolving them and less prone to vote abuse than formation/dissolution.
I think Salt Gift has a good chance of buying us time.
[] [Clan] Rework clan foundation and dissolution laws to be more adaptive
This basically goes for a full reform on clan laws.
Noting that the base political unit is the clan head, which votes for chiefs, which vote for higher chiefs.
The ability to create and destroy clans more easily will be more politically adaptable, but also easier to exploit for ill purposes.
[] [Clan] Make clan adoption rules better able to handle situations
This basically is a patch job, deferring the problem for when we are not tied up with a Megaproject.
We allow people to be adopted into clans of the area they move into, which is basically just extending our previous laws on adopting refugees.
It won't fix the problem on it's own, but we may get better options as people get used to cities.
[] [Clan] Dissolve clans within the city in favour of geographically linked administration
This is the good old hereditary land debate returned. In disguise. "Wouldn't it be simpler if people just voted based on the area they were living in?"
This means that district-based class politics become a thing, as well as gerrymandering. Remember, our votes are CURRENTLY based on proportional representation, a chief per every thousand people or so. Making it district based allows you to cram all the half exiles into one district so they only get one vote for instance, or cut the noble clans into one vote per clan because they determined one district to be one household.
[] [Clan] Dissolve clans within the city in favour of occupationally linked administration
This will meanwhile, set up the trend of splitting everything up by occupation. Clerks will be managed as clerks, farmers as farmers artisans as artisans.
This is...actually this is basically the tax complexity trap returned. We don't have the tools to administer things at this resolution without a giant clusterfuck of jurisdiction problems yet.
[] [Clan] Leave things be
Well, people COULD just move to the countryside...
- Location
- United States
Nope, main walls is a major construction project (especially with Iron tools).
@Academia Nut Can you confirm?
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- He/Him
Double main.
- Location
- United States
All our other stats that we've overflowed have been unrelated to government power scaling, so you are basing this belief on speculation.
Just to cut this whole argument off, @Academia Nut Does going to 6 centralization put us in the red?
- Location
- Australia
[X] [Temple] Sacred Forest
[X] [Clan] Dissolve clans within the city in favour of occupationally linked administration
[X] [Law] Recruit more peacekeepers (Main More Blackbirds)
[X] [Diplo] Send missions to the west (Secondary Trade missions to Hathatyn and Metal Workers)
[X] [Clan] Dissolve clans within the city in favour of occupationally linked administration
[X] [Law] Recruit more peacekeepers (Main More Blackbirds)
[X] [Diplo] Send missions to the west (Secondary Trade missions to Hathatyn and Metal Workers)
Yeah, I suspect they didn't have the aqueduct requirement to form True Cities because they don't CARE if they need to haul up and painfully sacrifice criminals as a deterrent, or if plague breaks out in the slums and they all need to be put to the spear.
Abby Normal
High Clerk of the Ymaryn
- Pronouns
- He/Him
@Academia Nut
To admin chief(s): Do you think that having greater levels of centralization will help the city issues (by making it easier to manage things and address issues, or the like) or hurt them (by bogging everything down, or exceeding the abilities of the king/chiefs/etc to manage stuff, or the like)?
To admin chief(s): Do you think that having greater levels of centralization will help the city issues (by making it easier to manage things and address issues, or the like) or hurt them (by bogging everything down, or exceeding the abilities of the king/chiefs/etc to manage stuff, or the like)?
- Location
- United States
Dang! I sit corrected.