We used 1 on Study Iron Smelting and nothing else.
Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
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- Original
- Location
- Germany
[x][Main] Expand Forests
[x][secondary] Proclaim Glory
[x][secondary] New Settlement - Bleeding Cliffs
Your vote would ruin us as it takes more Art then we have
[x][secondary] Proclaim Glory
[x][secondary] New Settlement - Bleeding Cliffs
Your vote would ruin us as it takes more Art then we have
- Pronouns
- He/Him
They think of themselves as the frontline of the People, not really as a separate group.
If they have the resources to expand Martial they will do that first, yes.
- Location
- Austria
That's actually tempting.
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Oh right, I thought you used Main Proclaim Glory with its extra cost.
Meh.
Not changing.
Powerofmind
In Madness Fallen
- Location
- United States
Yes we did. Pre-this post, we had 8, but sent 3 off. We gained 1 martial from the quality of our success.
- Location
- United States
Forests take time to grow, time we don't necessarily have if they were just pulling a fast one on us.
- Location
- Philippines
Remember narrative>/=stats right now trust in the king is dented and the only reason the nobles has not been capitalizing on that is because of the nomads we need to ensure that people have full trust and respect for the king
[X] [Main] Expand Forests
[X] [Secondary] Proclaim Glory
[X] [Secondary] New Settlement - Bleeding Cliffs
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
- Location
- Lickwidget
- Pronouns
- She/Her
We did.
- Location
- Hell
False. Our Diplomacy is overflowing and gives us a point in Art for every turn it is so. With a Secondary Proclaim Glory, we will be at Art 1 at the end of the turn, with another point on the way thanks to Saltern.
- Location
- Third planet from the star named Sol
- Pronouns
- He/They
Switching.
[X] [Main] Expand Forests
[X] [Secondary] Support Subordinate - Stallion Tribes
[X] [Secondary] New Settlement - Bleeding Cliffs
Stallion are bloodied right now and need help to recover, let's send them some soldiers.
[X] [Main] Expand Forests
[X] [Secondary] Support Subordinate - Stallion Tribes
[X] [Secondary] New Settlement - Bleeding Cliffs
Stallion are bloodied right now and need help to recover, let's send them some soldiers.
[X] [Main] Expand Forests
[X] [Secondary] Support Subordinate - Stallion Tribes
[X] [Secondary] Study Tailings
[X] [Secondary] Support Subordinate - Stallion Tribes
[X] [Secondary] Study Tailings
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- Location
- Austria
To add to that: "King sends everything to help subordinates in trouble" is a great narrative for Proclaim Glory.
Abby Normal
High Clerk of the Ymaryn
- Pronouns
- He/Him
...But i thought we only spent 1 econ?
Very few changes.
Econ 7->4 and +1 Periphery States as expected, but martial went from 8 to 6, instead of 8 to 5, so we gained a martial back somewhere...
Only other change in the civ sheet is the honour code and legacy. Otherwise, "primitive iron bloomeries" became "early iron bloomeries" at some point before this update but after i checked last, so thats probably just a delayed update for the study metal last turn.
16 -> 12, as expected.
Can make periphery states on purpose now; Trading Post looks like the "always max out diplo and art" option, combined with saltern
Study Metal is back to normal
Hmm...i dont know enough about mining to guess what we might learn here other than "how toxic are tailings" and "how do we deal with tailings in the long run", both of which are important...
And AN just added this after my question, we should do at least one...though i wonder...AN, can our provinces do this, with offense focus? and would they e likely to?
Powerofmind
In Madness Fallen
- Location
- United States
A deliberate swap would cost us the action we kind of need. I'm fine with leaving it on offense so we can rebuild our martial score (especially since our martial score due to professionalism is effectively half when calculating how much we lose).
Mmm. The thing about forests is a) it's econ positive and b) it's a statement, given the turn we just had. This land is ours.
Also, it's the closest thing we have to a long-term solution to northern nomads.
- Location
- Hell
Which is why this is the best time to do so.
The best time to plant a tree is 20 years ago, the second best time is now.
They are very likely to take Chariots themselves, thus raising their own Martial
Seeing as arguments have gone circular and repetitive, everyone's dug in already.
Okay, now for the analysis
Diplomacy 12 [+1] (+1)->14 (max, overflowing) [+1 Art]
So it turns out Diplomacy overflows into Art as well.
What happens if both Art and Economy are maxed out?
Economy 3(+1) -> 7
Lost 1 to Iron, gained 4 from Provinces.
Martial 10->8
We lost 2 Martial on a Secondary War Mission. Elite troops make war missions extremely costly when failed, but we knew that.
Main War missions will hurt like a bitch. Though thats true on both sides. Nomads have unlimited manpower.
Stability 1->0 (neutral)
Legitimacy 1->2 (dented)
So far so good. We're going to need to raise Stability before starting on mines I guess. Or wait for the war to finish first.
Art 4->2
We got the overflow from Diplomacy, and then we spent it on Proclaim Glory. Normal enough.
Mysticism 4->2
Spent it all on Iron. Definitely worth it, but we need more Mysticism.
Based on what little we know about the Stallion Tribes, they just lost most of their Economy and Martial, probably down to 1-2, since fortunately, they have fishing based economy source too.
On the bright side, due to our Elitism trait, the Stallion Tribes can convert 2 Economy into 4 Martial in one Main action, bringing them immediately on par with our core polity again.
-Destroy the Stallion Tribes.
-Destroy the sea trade routes.
It seems he doesn't even give much of a damn about the loot he can get.
Asshole.
The modern solution was to elevate them with supports rather than use a single piece construction. Other methods include using spaced tiles, which will expand to fill the gap piecemeal instead of shattering(though this leads to loss of heat as a result as the seal is imperfect.
But metal work REALLY seems to have a meta jinx on it. Send a trade mission to acquire the secrets and only a Hero averted a botch. Scribe the Star Axe and bring war to a wartorn land. The Axe shows up again and the Spirit Talkers die. Open a mine and a plague we can't stop strikes. Study iron and the Nomads form a Nomad Voltron and begin to kick us.
Cursed I say!
So situation:
-Thunder Horse - Succession crisis. Hopefully civil war.
-Thunder Speakers - Prosperity, now that they ditched the axe.
-Xohyssiri - Got some land back.
Okay, now for the analysis
Diplomacy 12 [+1] (+1)->14 (max, overflowing) [+1 Art]
So it turns out Diplomacy overflows into Art as well.
What happens if both Art and Economy are maxed out?
Economy 3(+1) -> 7
Lost 1 to Iron, gained 4 from Provinces.
Martial 10->8
We lost 2 Martial on a Secondary War Mission. Elite troops make war missions extremely costly when failed, but we knew that.
Main War missions will hurt like a bitch. Though thats true on both sides. Nomads have unlimited manpower.
Stability 1->0 (neutral)
Legitimacy 1->2 (dented)
So far so good. We're going to need to raise Stability before starting on mines I guess. Or wait for the war to finish first.
Art 4->2
We got the overflow from Diplomacy, and then we spent it on Proclaim Glory. Normal enough.
Mysticism 4->2
Spent it all on Iron. Definitely worth it, but we need more Mysticism.
Noting that based on the stats, this only refers to the Stallion Tribes. It hadn't reached Northshore or Stonepen yet or we'd be seeing Economy damage.
Based on what little we know about the Stallion Tribes, they just lost most of their Economy and Martial, probably down to 1-2, since fortunately, they have fishing based economy source too.
On the bright side, due to our Elitism trait, the Stallion Tribes can convert 2 Economy into 4 Martial in one Main action, bringing them immediately on par with our core polity again.
And here, the Nomad wargoals:
-Destroy the Stallion Tribes.
-Destroy the sea trade routes.
It seems he doesn't even give much of a damn about the loot he can get.
Asshole.
And onto happier things. We've discovered the first problem with refractory materials, they insulated well and endure great heat, but due to this very same thing they would crack because heat doesn't propagate through them easily, causing the front to expand more quickly than the back.
The modern solution was to elevate them with supports rather than use a single piece construction. Other methods include using spaced tiles, which will expand to fill the gap piecemeal instead of shattering(though this leads to loss of heat as a result as the seal is imperfect.
Well...not entirely wrong
But metal work REALLY seems to have a meta jinx on it. Send a trade mission to acquire the secrets and only a Hero averted a botch. Scribe the Star Axe and bring war to a wartorn land. The Axe shows up again and the Spirit Talkers die. Open a mine and a plague we can't stop strikes. Study iron and the Nomads form a Nomad Voltron and begin to kick us.
Thunder Horse King gets the Star Axe, finally unites his people and then dies of disease.
Cursed I say!
So situation:
-Thunder Horse - Succession crisis. Hopefully civil war.
-Thunder Speakers - Prosperity, now that they ditched the axe.
-Xohyssiri - Got some land back.
Oh good, the Highlanders stopped murdering each other(again) and went looking for someone else to murder(again).
Spectrum
Tell me a secret~
- Location
- Behind you~
*laughs* Yeah, do you know what really feels neglected and unloved?