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[X] [Honour] Quality training
[X] [Mystic] Evolve spiritual value (-7 Mysticism)
[X] [Goal] Stop raids (Easiest, annoys allies)
[X] [Stallions] Split efforts between Thunder Speakers and nomads

Karugus said:
As for why quality is in my opinion the best thing to shift towards;
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I'm reminded that the reason the armies of the modern Arab states tend to be shit is because they value loyalty in their soldiers over competence or independent thought.

Karugus said:
He just did exactly what Magwyna wanted to prevent and established his dynasty as, at the very least First Amongst Equals against the various oligarchal families that rule the People.
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At least our various other oligarchal families haven't started marrying into each other and we still don't have the Family First trait.

Ticking the Highlanders off some might actually be a good idea, here; it weakens the value of Yehlmyn's blood connection.
 
Candesce said:
[X] [Honour] Quality training
[X] [Mystic] Evolve spiritual value (-7 Mysticism)
[X] [Goal] Stop raids (Easiest, annoys allies)
[X] [Stallions] Split efforts between Thunder Speakers and nomads


I'm reminded that the reason the armies of the modern Arab states tend to be shit is because they value loyalty in their soldiers over competence or independent thought.


At least our various other oligarchal families haven't started marrying into each other and we still don't have the Family First trait.

Ticking the Highlanders off some might actually be a good idea, here; it weakens the value of Yehlmyn's blood connection.
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..........FFS having a Dynasty isn't the worst thing, esepcially if the way to not do so is intentionally pissing off our allies.
 
McLuvin said:
The Thunder Speakers pushed the button...

Peter is the Thunder Speakers.
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Omegahugger said:
... I have a Reisen Avatar, taken directly from a fan-published comic that was never released outside of Japan. I am kinda signalling here.

It is about as obvious as me being a rabid shipper!
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BungieONI said:
Hmm

It needs more blood and guts and


TREEES FOR THE TREE GOD!!!! FARMING FOR THE FARM THRONE!!!
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Do I need to get more detailed? Because I will.

I have the Button right here. Properly detailed and licensed.
 
[X] [Honour] Loyalty
[X] [Goal] Humiliate (Hard, +1 Prestige)
[X] [Mystic] Temper superstition (-5 Mysticism)
[X] [Stallions] Focus efforts on the Thunder Speakers

I wonder why people want to split war attention for Stallion? It's as if having an army's home under attack doesn't affect it's morale. Besides, over extension across the badlands and nomadic plain is unnecessary risk.
 
ABalloonyChaos said:
Mystic Advance possible! [Mystic]
I would like to discus this category in more detail because it is important yet somewhat vague.Here what I think what might come from each option.
[] Temper superstition (-5 Mysticism)
- lessens or temporary removes a Debilitating Belief - Weapons of the Gods or our old dead phobia

[] Overturn superstition (-10 Mysticism, -1 Stability)
- Removes a Debilitating Belief - Weapons of the Gods or our old dead phobia

[] Evolve spiritual value (-7 Mysticism)
- As printed but is random.

[] Expand spiritual value slots (-7 Mysticism)
- As printed. Might immediately settle The Greater Good (CA Linked) thus proc Cosmopolitan Acceptance again.

[] Wait
- some people think if we spend any Mysticism it will end the golden age. (Ends with: 0 or lower stability, ???) I don't think it will unless Mysticism is zero or art is also spent.
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K I felt you emphasized the first two unfairly so, here's me being equally biased. lol.

[] Temper superstition (-5 Mysticism)
Reduces the effects of Weapon or Dead Hygiene. Former = lowered cost to stability on metal actions, probably. Latter = New Study Health avenues??
We don't know how to temper superstitions, so I guess it would be cool if this makes a new option.

[] Overturn superstition (-10 Mysticism, -1 Stability)
Removes Weapon or Dead Hygiene. Former = no stab cost on future research, letting us freely spend our excessive mysticism. Latter = ???
We already know approximately how to get rid of Weapon - do things with metal and as long as nothing goes wrong the superstition will be worn away.

[] Evolve spiritual value (-7 Mysticism)
Evolves Symphony (aka one of our best traits); Heroic Death (we're starting a war and use heroic deaths to research plagues); Observance (Our science trait; possible cause of future superstitions but maybe not). These might be random but might be influenced by our choice of Honour trait, as I've said before. Symphony = Loyalty; HD = #'s; Observance = training.

[] Expand spiritual value slots (-7 Mysticism)
Gets us another spiritual value slot. TGG is a social value slot, IIRC? So it likely won't fill this slot. However, ideally HD will move allowing us to get both loyalty & good training.

[] Wait
??? = we don't know. Might require that we keep mysticism & art high, or mysticism OR art high, or simply that we don't go below x value. We needed to be @ stab 3 AND YET keep Golden Age until stab 0. But this might only be allowed so long as our cultural stats are kept high.
 
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Omegahugger said:
... I have a Reisen Avatar, taken directly from a fan-published comic that was never released outside of Japan. I am kinda signalling here.

It is about as obvious as me being a rabid shipper!
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If you like anime and you like SV quests there's a top quality Bleach quest if you want to check it out.

https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/a-destiny-of-strife-a-hollows-quest-bleach.29076/

It's of a superior breed to all this new young Bleach Quests.

Just thought you might like it
 
[X] [Honour] Loyalty
[X] [Goal] Humiliate (Hard, +1 Prestige)
[X] [Mystic] Temper superstition (-5 Mysticism)
[X] [Stallions] Focus efforts on the Thunder Speakers
 
McLuvin said:
If you like anime and you like SV quests there's a top quality Bleach quest if you want to check it out.

https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/a-destiny-of-strife-a-hollows-quest-bleach.29076/

It's of a superior breed to all this new young Bleach Quests.

Just thought you might like it
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That is quite a good one. Aldrich is hilarious for a murder ghost.

notgreat said:
The Button is what we refer to as a massed-war action turn. Together we did a level 3 button press, which is significant but not insane. (3 main war action-equivalents)

The lowest level we consider to be a 'real' button press is level 4. We've previously discussed up to a level 12.
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What was the hypothetical conclusion to a level 12 War Mission? Would spontaneously invent the Chalcolithic Death Korps of Krieg and the tell them "Kill that over there. All of it."?
 
McLuvin said:
He was a young immature kid, probably in his teenage years and not ready for being a father.

He grew out of it but it's more than understandable
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Oh, you'll hear no argument from me. I also think/realize that it was just a phase.

All I was saying that it was more damning than saying he's a womanizer because he wants to marry Fodenna after his mother dies. Or at least that's where I thought Karugus was taking it...

Karugus said:
Do people not realize he's just legitimized and established a dynasty with close ties to a foreign polity? I don't give a shit about him 'doing right by the girl' I care about the fact he just made himself son-in-law/brother-in-law to the King of the Highlands and that now we're going to have to deal with his kids having the immense advantage of having foreign influence they can use to make themselves a more appealing candidate.

He just did exactly what Magwyna wanted to prevent and established his dynasty as, at the very least First Amongst Equals against the various oligarchal families that rule the People.
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I see, so this again.

Simply put no. I don't care.

Also, I wouldn't say that Magwyna "wanted to prevent [an] established dynasty" that's the fear that some voters had. But the text specifically state that it was the chiefs ( not Magwyna) that interfered. And they were just worried about Magwyna's family getting too much power in the short term - they weren't really worrying/thinking about the long term effects of dynasties.

Also, I wouldn't call the Highland Kingdom a "foreign polity". It's not even a country yet. Even the Ymaryn, known as the most populous civilization, doesn't even have a million people yet. And the distances between us and the HK are short enough that I think we can incorporate them into the People in a generation or two. Remember - this is still really early on. Things that seem established and constant can change. If a dynasty is made, oh well, they will come and go, and things will change.

McLuvin said:
I do know everything and I'm a teen...

Maybe it's just you :p
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I know everything too!

It's called Google :lol
 
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kel said:
What's the current tally?
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Something like this:

Vote Tally : Paths of Civilization | Page 1340 | Sufficient Velocity
##### NetTally 1.9.0
[13] [Stallions] Focus efforts on the Thunder Speakers
[10] [Honour] Loyalty
[4] [Mystic] Temper superstition (-5 Mysticism)
[1] Overwhelming numbers
[1] [Goal] Stop raids (Easiest, annoys allies)
——————————————————————————————————————————————Task: Honour
[22][Honour] Quality training
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[22][Mystic] Evolve spiritual value (-7 Mysticism)
[5][Mystic] Wait
[4][Mystic] Overturn superstition (-10 Mysticism, -1 Stability)
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[18][Goal] Humiliate (Hard, +1 Prestige)
[12][Goal] Degrade sphere of influence (Hardest, +1 Prestige, pleases allies)
——————————————————————————————————————————————Task: Stallions
[18][Stallions] Split efforts between Thunder Speakers and nomads
Total No. of Voters: 35
 
[X] [Honour] Overwhelming numbers
[X] [Mystic] Evolve spiritual value (-7 Mysticism)
[X] [Goal] Humiliate (Hard, +1 Prestige)
[X] [Stallions] Split efforts between Thunder Speakers and nomads

Remember everyone, the Honour choice here probably gives us a new honour trait - we've had an open honour trait for quite awhile now. Loyalty will VERY POSSIBLY give us Family First, which would just be ugh. I'm hoping that overwhelming numbers gives us an honour trait that is linked to organization and logistics, something we are already very good at. I'm very unsure about what quality training would get us - if it comes down to this versus loyalty, I'll definitely go with quality training. But I think Overwhelming numbers is the best.
 
[X] [Honour] Quality training

this actually fits with us better than it looks. we are good administrators so having a unified training scheme for our warriors rather than ad hock training would fit.

[X] [Mystic] Evolve spiritual value (-7 Mysticism)

evolving Observance early sounds like a fantastic idea to me. otherwise, we run the risk of debilitating beliefs building up.
 
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[X] Quality training
When you make something of quality, you pour love into it.

[X] Evolve spiritual value (-7 Mysticism)
Would actually prefer to Expand our slots, but tactical voting and all that.

[X] Degrade sphere of influence (Hardest, +1 Prestige, pleases allies)
Properly pounding those who wish to dance with you is also a form of love~<3

[X] Split efforts between Thunder Speakers and nomads
The Stallions are polygamic, so they get to tango with two at once.

tryrar said:
Reisen is also something I'm not familiar with. Link?
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Reisen is a character from the Touhou Project game series. Specifically, she is a rabbit from the moon. Because Japan.

My Avatar is taken from a doujin called Bosom Kiss by Chihagura. In true Omegahugger fashion, she's sqeeing at Kaguya kissing Mokou's hand.

McLuvin said:
If you like anime and you like SV quests there's a top quality Bleach quest if you want to check it out.

https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/a-destiny-of-strife-a-hollows-quest-bleach.29076/

It's of a superior breed to all this new young Bleach Quests.

Just thought you might like it
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*mumble grumble* Unless Adrich has finally gotten together with Rabbit in the last probably-100-updates since I last caught up, I am not interested *grumble mumble*
 
[X] [Honour] Loyalty
[X] [Goal] Stop raids (Easiest, annoys allies)
[X] [Mystic] Temper superstition (-5 Mysticism)
[X] [Stallions] Split efforts between Thunder Speakers and nomads

Loyalty fits wonderfully with our focus on community over individuals, lessening the risks of rebellious generals.
Our goal initially was to stop nomads from raiding us. We dont give a fuck about what the highlanders think of us, so we shouldnt overreach.
I am scared our golden age will immediately end if we spend 10 myst., so I am going with the tempering. Seeing what exactly this does will be valuable anyway
 
BungieONI said:
What was the hypothetical conclusion to a level 12 War Mission? Would spontaneously invent the Chalcolithic Death Korps of Krieg and the tell them "Kill that over there. All of it."?
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Every man and woman goes to war as an endless tide. Our enemies stare as people fall and yet their spouses and family walk over their bodies, going endlessly forward, firing arrows and picking up the arrows fired just minutes before.

The skies darken beneath the constant volley; the earth reddens beneath the bodies; the river becomes tainted with the copper taste of blood.

Before us, our enemies cower; behind us, their fields burn.
 
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[X] [Honour] Quality training
[X] [Mystic] Overturn superstition (-10 Mysticism, -1 Stability)
[X] [Goal] Degrade sphere of influence (Hardest, +1 Prestige, pleases allies)
[X] Focus efforts on the Thunder Speakers
 
Omegahugger said:
[X] Quality training
When you make something of quality, you pour love into it.

[X] Evolve spiritual value (-7 Mysticism)
Would actually prefer to Expand our slots, but tactical voting and all that.

[X] Degrade sphere of influence (Hardest, +1 Prestige, pleases allies)
Properly pounding those who wish to dance with you is also a form of love~<3

[X] Split efforts between Thunder Speakers and nomads
The Stallions are polygamic, so they get to tango with two at once.


Reisen is a character from the Touhou Project game series. Specifically, she is a rabbit from the moon. Because Japan.

My Avatar is taken from a doujin called Bosom Kiss by Chihagura. In true Omegahugger fashion, she's sqeeing at Kaguya kissing Mokou's hand.


*mumble grumble* Unless Adrich has finally gotten together with Rabbit in the last probably-100-updates since I last caught up, I am not interested *grumble mumble*
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Well they had a really funny and touching moment. Aldrich even referenced "Delicious trees".

And even better "something" was passed between them. :drevil:

So it's a start?
 
aceraptor said:
will the Golden Age end if we don't have mysticism maxed out?
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Possibly.

BungieONI said:
So that's what Prestige does! Cooooool.
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It will have other effects in the future, but this is one of the more obvious effects.

ctulhuslp said:
1. Will tempering/removing superstition give us a chance to evolve the Observance?
2. Will choosing to evolve a spiritual value evolve a random one?
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Possibly, but unlikely.
Semi-random, yes.

ctulhuslp said:
did any our enemies try destroying our forests?
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No, also most of the fighting has been outside forested terrain.
 
ETA50M said:
[X] [Honour] Overwhelming Numbers
[X] [Mystic] Overturn superstition (-10 Mysticism, -1 Stability)
[X] [Goal] Degrade sphere of influence (Hardest, +1 Prestige, pleases allies)
[X] Focus efforts on the Thunder Speakers

Like Joseph Stalin said "Quantity is a quality of its own". If we are going to be attacked from two fronts and are aiming to reduce thier sphere of influence and increase ours we need a large army over a small well trained army. Think of Mao managing to stall the West and create NK by his sheer numbers alone. Let's leverage our biggest strength, our high population into an offense.
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I'm still catching up, so maybe this has already been said but...

When you quote the only two people whose butcher bill makes Nazi Germany look like pikers, it's time to reconsider your life choices. :rofl:
 
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