Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
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High Clerk of the Ymaryn
- Pronouns
- He/Him
All Average, actually. It was the stallion tribes guy that was all Goods
You saw nothing.... he said, as he sends this post without actually responding to this at first....god i'm tired D=
Also, i just realized...Heroes usually spawn due to interesting rolls...So was Yehlmyn spawned off his mother's heroic crit? because that makes heroic crits even better than i thought!
- Location
- US
[X] Send an envoy to request the Thunder Speakers rein in youths (-2 Diplomacy,chance of TS king actually complying,small chance of triggering war)
[X] Support son (Chance of -1 Legitimacy, heir becomes Yehlmyn [Mediocre Martial, Good Diplomacy, Heroic Admin])
[X] Support son (Chance of -1 Legitimacy, heir becomes Yehlmyn [Mediocre Martial, Good Diplomacy, Heroic Admin])
keenscythe
No longer NEET
- Location
- WA, USA
[X] Send an envoy to request the Thunder Speakers rein in youths (-2 Diplomacy, chance of TS king actually complying, small chance of triggering war)
[X] Remain quiet (Next king is probably standard)
[X] Remain quiet (Next king is probably standard)
- Location
- United States
Probably improve Primitive Indexing to something more sophisticated.
- Location
- Mists of Albion
They wanted to fuck up a mega project and make the monarchy more hereditary for certain, not just make it a slim possibility like this guy is.
Totally different circumstances.
Also I didn't vote in those ones, so you can't call me hypocritical.
Seems like it would do both.
In that case:
[Main] New Trail
[Secondary] Switch policy - Defense
[Secondary] Proclaim Glory (if necessary)
Should help with March getting down here for a defensive war.
And my votes.
[X] Send an envoy to request the Thunder Speakers rein in youths (-2 Diplomacy, chance of TS king actually complying, small chance of triggering war)
[X] Support son (Chance of -1 Legitimacy, heir becomes Yehlmyn [Mediocre Martial, Good Diplomacy, Heroic Admin])
So, yeah, people do realize 'chance' has been shown to be around 50/50 right?
And that losing our legitimacy means our stability cap is dropped
And that our stability cap being dropped means our stability should drop, which ends green stability.
Sigh, the shortsightedness of it all makes me sad.
And that losing our legitimacy means our stability cap is dropped
And that our stability cap being dropped means our stability should drop, which ends green stability.
Sigh, the shortsightedness of it all makes me sad.
- Location
- Canada
Yeah that was more me yelling at the abyss called this thread.
Well:
You know, screwing your parent's wife is normally frowned upon...particularly when you have a go at more than one of them.
Contested facts:It isn't nepotism. It just looks like nepotism. The son is legitimately the best candidate available. If Maggie wanted solidify her family's rule, she could have done it last turn when she had a much better opportunity.
Once he comes to power, the people will realise how much better he is than the other candidates. Plus I don't want to make the same mistake we made with Gwygowtha's son.
-The appearance of nepotism is what matters historically. Whether it actually IS nepotism, future chiefs would be able to cite precedent when pushing for their own children in that "Look, Magwyna did it too", which would also undermine the message sent to the Stallion Tribes.
-While normally he would be an excellent candidate, with potential war on the line, he is...not very excellent. It may well be ideal with Attrikwyn's son to get elected s a Martial Good(probably?) king instead.
No change warranted on my part
Yes. The problem is perception of nepotism to begin with. It doesn't matter whether it is. It matters what it looks like.
And the guy DID bang more than one of his stepmothers...
- Location
- United States
The standard kings tend to have average stats, not good stats.
[X] Send an envoy to request the Thunder Speakers rein in youths (-2 Diplomacy, chance of TS king actually complying, small chance of triggering war)
[X] Support son (Chance of -1 Legitimacy, heir becomes Yehlmyn [Mediocre Martial, Good Diplomacy, Heroic Admin])
[X] Support son (Chance of -1 Legitimacy, heir becomes Yehlmyn [Mediocre Martial, Good Diplomacy, Heroic Admin])
Even better, mum's still alive so heroic diplomacy's being used (at least partially)
Hold on, does this mean that we don't have the whole apprentice thing we used to? I thought it took like a decade after the election before you were actually the new king since you needed a ton of training.
BTW, here's the source for the standard kings:
- Location
- nz
[x] Send an envoy to request the Thunder Speakers rein in youths (-2 Diplomacy, chance of TS king actually complying, small chance of triggering war)
[x] Support son (-1 Legitimacy, heir becomes Yehlmyn [Mediocre Martial, Good Diplomacy, Heroic Admin])
[x] Support son (-1 Legitimacy, heir becomes Yehlmyn [Mediocre Martial, Good Diplomacy, Heroic Admin])
DocMatoi
Theoretical Lover of Girls
- Location
- within 2 hours of the White House
- Pronouns
- They/Them
An said stay at stab 3 a whole turn
- Location
- Mists of Albion
It's hard to keep track of everybody mate, I understand, it's why I left for a while, I got tired of having three pages put up in the time it took me to blink
- Location
- United States
There are not only 2 possible outcomes, so the chance here is not a flat 50/50. The TH king could ignore us completely without declaring war.
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OK. It's a bit confusing. I misunderstood it too.
When a king die, the current heir becomes king. Which means you have no heir, so you need to do an election immediately.
So we got Stability 3 from an Admin crit, which also gave us another Admin tech and a Heroic Admin character. ...Okay!
So for the actions taken this turn... We did a [Main] Grand Sacrifice, spending 3 Econ for 1 Stability and a reset of tax evasion penalties. However, on a worrying note, there was only 1 [Sec] action done this turn for the northern provinces, all the others spent on Valleyhome or the new southern provinces. We also haven't tried to further integrate the March or further fortify our new provinces with Expand Forests.
For the options:
[] Attack Thunder Speakers to stop border raids (Declares war with goal of stopping attacks, Highlanders will join, likely brings in Thunder Horse and Xohyssiri)
Attacking means getting embroiled in a two front war -- the northern steppes front, which will hit the March only with likely all three nomad-descended polities, with no allies; and the southern lowlands front, where we're joined by the HIghlanders, but also likely attacked by the Xohyssiri too. Furthermore, attacking will trigger everyone else's retaliation traits, which we know the Xohyssiri has, so they'll attack us even after we're satisfied and so trigger Protective Justice again. In any case, with the concern brought up last time about offending the March by making a decision that'll offend the nomads, this is obviously not a choice to be taken.
[] Send an envoy to request the Thunder Speakers rein in youths (-2 Diplomacy, chance of TS king actually complying, small chance of triggering war)
We have Diplo to spare, and Magwyna has Heroic Diplomacy. The worry here is the known inability of the TS king to control his lowest level warriors, and Magwyna's Poor Martial. We won't crit fail, but factors work against us succeeding, here. Also, if we fail, makes Magwyna and the southerners look weak to the March. That it's the southern Redhills being raided might be a mitigating factor, though...
[] Ignore the issue (-1 Prestige, large chance of loss of stability)
Ignores the whole thing. We have both a buffer of Prestige and Stabilty to lose. The real negative is the narrative effect of our prominent female king ignoring the martial concerns of the people.
[] Support son (Chance of -1 Legitimacy, heir becomes Yehlmyn [Mediocre Martial, Good Diplomacy, Heroic Admin])
Possible loss of Legitimacy, which only Proclaim Glory gives, and subsequent loss of Stability. Furthermore, if war occurs, his Mediocre Martial works against us. There is also the possibility that the main turn actions will be taken away from us, so our pet projects won't be advanced.
[] Remain quiet (Next king is probably standard)
Gives us back full control, while retaining Yehlmyn's Heroic Admin in a lesser capacity, since he'll be the 2nd most powerful actor in the Clerk Chief's area of influence (as Magwyna was 3rd most powerful as heir, after the king and the relevant adviser chief).
[X] Send an envoy to request the Thunder Speakers rein in youths (-2 Diplomacy, chance of TS king actually complying, small chance of triggering war)
[X] Remain quiet (Next king is probably standard)
We need to switch to Defense Policy, and work on integrating the March.
The new Admin tech! Which gives us another way to catch corruption by lower level chiefs. However, this is also a tech that boosts the effective value of our Mysticism, allowing the shamans to separate knowledge into categories and specialization.
Hoo boy, this is ominous. We know his culture has the Ancestral Honor trait, that emphasizes familial ties. Is this a potential fracture point where the People's ideas of sex and disregard of blood lineages clash with the Stallion Tribe's honor value of blood ancestors?
Ohh, shit. The Xohyssiri lost their Blackbird equivalents, which isn't worth quite so much since they're not likely to raid us and makes their raids against our rivals less effective. The losses also strengthens the Highlanders' relative position, since they can more easily acquire territory from the Xohyssiri with less fear from retaliation. However, the most worrying development is that there is one absolutely predominant power in the lowlands. The only consolation is the Thunder Horse are probably going to degenerate into infighting and look away from the lowlands within a turn or so. Even that has a dark lining, as then the Highlanders would be able to conquer the lowlands with impunity, since both the Thunder Speakers and Xohyssiri would be preoccupied supporting their king's ambitions to the east.
So for the actions taken this turn... We did a [Main] Grand Sacrifice, spending 3 Econ for 1 Stability and a reset of tax evasion penalties. However, on a worrying note, there was only 1 [Sec] action done this turn for the northern provinces, all the others spent on Valleyhome or the new southern provinces. We also haven't tried to further integrate the March or further fortify our new provinces with Expand Forests.
For the options:
[] Attack Thunder Speakers to stop border raids (Declares war with goal of stopping attacks, Highlanders will join, likely brings in Thunder Horse and Xohyssiri)
Attacking means getting embroiled in a two front war -- the northern steppes front, which will hit the March only with likely all three nomad-descended polities, with no allies; and the southern lowlands front, where we're joined by the HIghlanders, but also likely attacked by the Xohyssiri too. Furthermore, attacking will trigger everyone else's retaliation traits, which we know the Xohyssiri has, so they'll attack us even after we're satisfied and so trigger Protective Justice again. In any case, with the concern brought up last time about offending the March by making a decision that'll offend the nomads, this is obviously not a choice to be taken.
[] Send an envoy to request the Thunder Speakers rein in youths (-2 Diplomacy, chance of TS king actually complying, small chance of triggering war)
We have Diplo to spare, and Magwyna has Heroic Diplomacy. The worry here is the known inability of the TS king to control his lowest level warriors, and Magwyna's Poor Martial. We won't crit fail, but factors work against us succeeding, here. Also, if we fail, makes Magwyna and the southerners look weak to the March. That it's the southern Redhills being raided might be a mitigating factor, though...
[] Ignore the issue (-1 Prestige, large chance of loss of stability)
Ignores the whole thing. We have both a buffer of Prestige and Stabilty to lose. The real negative is the narrative effect of our prominent female king ignoring the martial concerns of the people.
[] Support son (Chance of -1 Legitimacy, heir becomes Yehlmyn [Mediocre Martial, Good Diplomacy, Heroic Admin])
Possible loss of Legitimacy, which only Proclaim Glory gives, and subsequent loss of Stability. Furthermore, if war occurs, his Mediocre Martial works against us. There is also the possibility that the main turn actions will be taken away from us, so our pet projects won't be advanced.
[] Remain quiet (Next king is probably standard)
Gives us back full control, while retaining Yehlmyn's Heroic Admin in a lesser capacity, since he'll be the 2nd most powerful actor in the Clerk Chief's area of influence (as Magwyna was 3rd most powerful as heir, after the king and the relevant adviser chief).
[X] Send an envoy to request the Thunder Speakers rein in youths (-2 Diplomacy, chance of TS king actually complying, small chance of triggering war)
[X] Remain quiet (Next king is probably standard)
We need to switch to Defense Policy, and work on integrating the March.
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- Location
- Hell
He is Heroic, he is really good at one thing and the rest of his stats had been lowered.
It is very good to pass up if his stats don't address the problems we are facing
Except he isn't the best canditate simply heroic in Administration. We have possible conflict next turn, having someone good at war would be much better.
I never said they would be exceptional only that they would be good.
@Academia Nut We really need something cleared out
What are the stats of the average King in relation to this scale you mentioned?
What is the rating of our War Chief?
What is the difference between a War Chief with high Martial and a King with high Martial?
Wasn't talking about that vote?
That vote also has a small chance of the war.
Also, even if it's 'only' a 1/3 chance, that's disturbingly possible when it comes with re-enforcing nepotism.
Like, this isn't even hereditary leadership, it's just nepotism we're talking about here.
He also still puts his admin stats to use by being an adviser, so there is no reason he needs to be king here really.
