When our we going to elect an new king?
With the current most likely outcome of the vote what will be the best possible vote next turn?
With the current most likely outcome of the vote what will be the best possible vote next turn?
Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
- Start date
- Original
Abandoning a megaproject is bad for stability and doesn't refund the project. I rather focus on one megaproject that we can double main ourselves if needed be.
We're not obligated to continue doing Megaprojects but it's generally not a good idea. @Academia Nut, is there anything which can mitigate this restriction?
DocMatoi
Theoretical Lover of Girls
- Location
- within 2 hours of the White House
- Pronouns
- They/Them
We elect a new king pretty much every turn. They're just nothing special, so there's no point in describing them.
They're also so old that they frequently died early, which must be very perplexing to other kingdoms.
Nah, spiritual. Missionaries.
DocMatoi
Theoretical Lover of Girls
- Location
- within 2 hours of the White House
- Pronouns
- They/Them
we have our new spiritual trait already, though. Observance, which is the hole the spirit talkers dug themselves into.
Not to say it can't be evolved like this, but. Hmmm. Maybe a value about how knowledge is pointless unless its shared?
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Whelp, that looks like a hole we need to be careful of, since we don't have the counter-trait to patch it either.
Specifically, they were over-centralized and under-expanded, and spent all their actions on study and Sacred War. The Observance downsides helped, but it wasn't their primary problem.
We basically can't do the over-centralization due to our province system, but we're in dire need of additional expansion. (Which is why I'm so annoyed everyone wants to complete the megaproject in 1-2 turns instead of expanding while doing it)
The downsides from Observance are likely to grow worse as the trait evolves, so we should try to fuse it if we can.
DocMatoi
Theoretical Lover of Girls
- Location
- within 2 hours of the White House
- Pronouns
- They/Them
@Academia Nut, is there only one line of evolution possible for every trait, or do they split? Can we evolve Observance without getting even more malarkey stuck in it?
- Location
- Asia
Wouldn't taking the max instability option adversely affect our relationship with the March? I get that people want to influence the trait gain as much as possible. But don't get greedy people; last time we did that we overstressed the system and went into a downward spiral.
Do we even need this much Econ at the cost of stability ? The provinces are gonna be supporting us too, you know.
Do we even need this much Econ at the cost of stability ? The provinces are gonna be supporting us too, you know.
Voting is heavily in favor of only taking one instability.
Honorable Death could be bumped to honor code. Teaching others whether they're entirely willing or not in a nonsecular setting is missionary work. Religion is science to shamans.
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Ancient Scholar
Amateur Editor/Beta
- Location
- United States
[X] No more than usual (Tiny chance of Stability loss)
[X] Keep it secret (Chance of Stability loss)
[X] Megaproject Support
So what happens if the People go full out to war and what makes it so special? Have the other tribes never done it before?
AN hints that it would be epic but I want to know more.
[X] Keep it secret (Chance of Stability loss)
[X] Megaproject Support
So what happens if the People go full out to war and what makes it so special? Have the other tribes never done it before?
AN hints that it would be epic but I want to know more.
pblur
Reminiscing over the halcyon days of Ymaryn
- Location
- Lawrence's Wagon
We have 100,000 people to support it. We have more efficient farming and admin than basically everybody, so we can support a larger percentage of them as warriors. Suppose we support 10% (probably conservative.) That's an army of 10,000, which is the size of other people's POPULATION.
- Location
- USA
[X] Megaproject Support
[X] A significant number (-1 Stability, +2 Econ)
[X] Share with even those who don't want to listen (-1 Diplomacy, +1 immediate Stability, chance for additional stability, other effects)
I'm down with this, but we NEED to main new settlement next turn for our two secondary actions. Otherwise, baby boom will almost certainly end due to a lack of Expand Econ slots. We had 7 during our last turn, of which 4 were taking up by baby boom and the 1 expand econ a province did. Taking in refugees also uses up Expand Econ slots, although I don't know how much. Presumably, at this level, one or two. Which means we'll be at 2 or 1, not enough for baby boom.
If it takes us two turns to complete whatever mega-project we decide on instead of only one, I think we'll be ok.
[X] A significant number (-1 Stability, +2 Econ)
[X] Share with even those who don't want to listen (-1 Diplomacy, +1 immediate Stability, chance for additional stability, other effects)
I'm down with this, but we NEED to main new settlement next turn for our two secondary actions. Otherwise, baby boom will almost certainly end due to a lack of Expand Econ slots. We had 7 during our last turn, of which 4 were taking up by baby boom and the 1 expand econ a province did. Taking in refugees also uses up Expand Econ slots, although I don't know how much. Presumably, at this level, one or two. Which means we'll be at 2 or 1, not enough for baby boom.
If it takes us two turns to complete whatever mega-project we decide on instead of only one, I think we'll be ok.
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So, our army is about as good as others' but lacks experience since we're rarely at war. We've generally fought off nomad main-equivalent war actions with only a secondary on our side.
However, that's not our unique ridiculous power. [Main] War Missions damage enemy economy if you do well. We can kick war missions for twice the effectiveness (at twice the cost). We can double-main, kick both, and get the equivalent of 4 [Main] War Missions on a single turn. This is virtually guaranteed to destroy the enemy civilizations' economy, which would in turn cause them to take massive stability hits and be unable to recover.
It would cost us a lot, but we're able to basically destroy any civilization that attacks us in a single turn (then we need ~3 turns of recovery though)
[X] A significant number (-1 Stability, +2 Econ)
[X] Share with even those who don't want to listen (-1 Diplomacy, +1 immediate Stability, chance for additional stability, other effects)
[X] Megaproject Support
I made some more symbols.
In order:
Hills, coniferous tree, deciduous tree, dog,
sprout/shoot/new, rain, moon, fire/bonfire,
thunder/lightning, horse, fist/power, endless/uncountable/many,
Valleyhome, Newnet, Lower Vallehome, Redcoast,
bird, net, neck/throat, mouse/rat,
house, dye, water/tears, snail,
sun, cloud, river, cattle/cow,
goat, sheep, foot/leg, head,
stars, crow, mouth, eye.
I'm not sure if I should have made the house have a flat roof though, since I don't know if we have pitched roofs or not.
I need a few more before I start "aging" them to where they would be now, I think. Word suggestions would be very welcome. Particularly words that are single syllable length in Welsh and would be something the People would count or otherwise write about. I know I'm lacking seeds, barley and flour and some more bodyparts/medical terminology and manure and such and basic tools like pots and knives, but I'm certain I'm forgetting a lot.
[X] Share with even those who don't want to listen (-1 Diplomacy, +1 immediate Stability, chance for additional stability, other effects)
[X] Megaproject Support
I made some more symbols.
In order:
Hills, coniferous tree, deciduous tree, dog,
sprout/shoot/new, rain, moon, fire/bonfire,
thunder/lightning, horse, fist/power, endless/uncountable/many,
Valleyhome, Newnet, Lower Vallehome, Redcoast,
bird, net, neck/throat, mouse/rat,
house, dye, water/tears, snail,
sun, cloud, river, cattle/cow,
goat, sheep, foot/leg, head,
stars, crow, mouth, eye.
I'm not sure if I should have made the house have a flat roof though, since I don't know if we have pitched roofs or not.
I need a few more before I start "aging" them to where they would be now, I think. Word suggestions would be very welcome. Particularly words that are single syllable length in Welsh and would be something the People would count or otherwise write about. I know I'm lacking seeds, barley and flour and some more bodyparts/medical terminology and manure and such and basic tools like pots and knives, but I'm certain I'm forgetting a lot.
zamin
The Watcher in the Dark
Hello everyone and welcome back to another episode of "zamin over-analyzes everything" - Special "It's Friday Night and I Just Got Outta Work" Episode.
To sum up the last turn:
"Aaarrgghh! Why is everyone getting sick?!"
"Someone call for a doctor?"
So basically, we wanted to play with the shiny Star Rocks we found and see what dropped out. We picked Study Metal and Survey Lands because we figured it'd synergise and Study Health was kinda thrown in there because a lot of people were worried about the side effects of doing proper mining at our technology level.
To be honest, I wasn't really a big fan of Study Health, but I voted for it anyway cause it seemed that everyone else was going for it. I personally didn't think it'd give us anything really good, but figured that some benefit was better then none.
Right now I will quite happily admit that I was totally, 100% wrong because this option has basically catapulted our technology to ludicrous levels for our time period.
But I'm getting ahead of myself. So, this is what happened last turn:
First off, we got a new trait. And guess what? This is the trait we were trying to crib off the Spirit Talkers all those years ago. Remember? That time when a lot of people were salty cause we ended up with Sacred War instead (which, to be fair, actually helped us out a lot while we still had it).
Basically, our shamans are turning into Stone Age proto-scientists, which makes our study actions better. And considering how many study actions we have, it's a pretty nice bonus.
On the downside, this can also lead to superstition or poking at something we should probably leave alone, so might be a good idea to keep an eye on this trait. I'm hoping that we can evolve or fuse it with something soonish, especially since we're doing at least one study action per turn (via Valleyhome and its Study Stars spamming).
So, to sum up: The Lowlands are, once again, a complete shit fest.
- Our people haven't actually seen any Dead Priests in so long that they've faded into legend. Kinda interesting to see how our people have gone from "The Dead Priests are monsters that need to be destroyed before they kill us all!" to "Hmm... you know, maybe they weren't so bad after all?"
- The Thunder Horses have decided to pull out of their war with the Highlands Kingdom because their annoying relatives have shown up and are metaphorically hogging the sofa and drinking all their beer. They even sent a tribute to apologize, which was pretty nice of them - their Diplomacy must be higher then we thought
Unfortunately...
Yeah. Bit awkward there.
Man, their hero king picked the worst time to die. If he'd hung on for a bit longer, he would have been able to accept the Thunder Horses surrender and basically secure the fertile lowlands for himself. Instead, he dropped dead just before the Thunder Horses showed up, so they got to his house only to find his children quarreling over who got all the nice furniture.
Bad luck going all around. I mean, think about it:
- If the Thunder Horses weren't distracted by their cousins showing up, they could have dominated the lowlands while the Highland Kingdom was busy with its civil war
- If the Highland Kingdom weren't in the middle of a civil war, they could have taken advantage of the Thunder Horses distraction to secure their own position in the Lowlands
- If the Dead Priests weren't hated by absolutely everyone, they might have been able to retake some of their old land. Instead, they're too busy fighting everyone else in the lowlands (including the Eastern Thunder Horses, if I'm remembering word of god correctly)
Meanwhile, in the northern hills:
Random Ymmir: "Wow, I sure am glad we finally solved that tax issue. It was making life really uncomfortable for everyone!"
Random Lowlander: "OH GOD WHY IS EVERYONE HERE TRYING TO KILL EACH OTHER AGAIN?!"
Fuck. Cholera?
This is really bad. If this is the first time anyone nearby has ever had it, nobody will have any resistance or know how to treat it.
Once again, the Ymmir show just how goddamn bullshit they are.
Also, loved the 300 references.
I really liked how our shamans were described in this part.
Due to our Holy Site expansions , we've got more assistants to handle the mundane day-to-day affairs so our proper shamans can devote more time to actually doing their jobs. Which, in typical Ymmir fashion, they have taken to with a gusto. Having a 4/6 child mortality rate may seem horrific to us now, but for that time it's actually surprisingly low. Yet our shamans still aren't satisfied. They're actually trying to lower it even more, which I'm honestly really pleased about.
Our people are freaking badasses. I love it.
Wow. Ok, from the top:
- Our shamans seem to be developing rudimentary scientific theory. They aren't just doing whatever comes to mind - they're taking the time to study a problem carefully before trying to develop a cure
- Holy shit. We have people willingly volunteering to test out experimental new treatments even though they know that they're likely to die horribly as a result. Pretty sure this is Greater Good and Honorable Death triggering together here
- Can you imagine how terrifying our people must look to everyone else? Think about it - the DPs version of Greater Good involved dragging slaves into their temples to be sacrificed. Our version involves people volunteering to serve as test subjects just for the chance of finding a cure
- By everyone else's standards, our people would probably seem insane due to the lengths they're willing to go through
- So through their studies, our shamans learned that the sickness spreads through tainted water
- And now we have the crazy synergy kicking in. Because they've taken the time to study metal, our shamans have developed a way to contain dangerous wastes by burying it with waterproof pottery so that the poison doesn't seep out.
- And lo, did our people develop early ceramic toilets in the fucking Copper Age
- And lo, did our shamans develop a fucking rehydration solution at a time when everyone thought sickness was an act of god
- For those who don't know how significant this is, a rehydrating solution isn't just useful for this one sickness. It's a good way to treat a variety of diseases and makes our people even more resistant to sickness then before
- Seriously, this alone flings our medical technology centuries ahead of everyone else. It's glorious
And lo, we have taken another step further into our eventual destiny as the OP Mary Sue wood elves of this world. And I love every second of it.
Crow isn't the only one who's laughing, that's for sure.
Oh, and almost as an afterthought, we get a heads up that our Survey action has found what looks like an iron deposit. Also, our people seem to think that all metals originally came from meteors, which is interesting. I wonder how they'll react when they start discovering more types of stone or metal?
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STATS
Everything looks pretty healthy right now apart from Stability (which is at 0 again) and Centralization (which is once again at the borderline).
So we now have Ash Glazed Pottery, Empirical Primitive Sanitary Theory and Oral Rehydration Therapy. In the Copper Age. The fucking Copper Age.
God, I love the Ymmir.
Either one of the last two would have been a significant boost. Both together in a single turn? If we were playing the Thunder Horses or something and the GM let slip that one of our neighbors had developed and implemented a cure to cholera in a single turn I would have immediately called bullshit and accused the GM of playing favorites.
Ok, I don't know if this has been here since the last turn, but the Metal Working section is interesting to see. We've not only got specialists working as miners and smelters but also developed lined tailings pits.
For those who don't know, tailings is the term used to describe all the nasty waste products you get after pulling metal out of the rocks. They're really bad because they tend to release stuff like arsenic and mercury into the environment. By lining our pits with waterproof ceramic before dumping the tailings in, our people are able to reduce most of this damage, which is pretty great.
Our military tech seems about the same, so I'm not going to repeat it here.
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CHOICES
Choice number 1: How many refugees do we take in this time? Bear in mind that our Stability is 0.
Personally, I'm leaning towards the second option. The first option is "No chance of any benefit, tiny chance of taking a shot to Stability anyway" while the last is "An iceberg in our ship's path? Fuck it, who cares about that! Full steam ahead, men!"
Choice number 2: Do we let anyone else learn about our miraculous cure?
Some people are supporting Option A because they're happy to let all the lowlands die off.
On the other end of the spectrum, some people are going full sharing with everyone, even those lazy buggers who don't want to listen! We'll strap them to a chair and make them listen for their own good!
Picking the last option means that we're basically using the Spirit Talker's old strategy of showing up with loads of shiny bling in the hopes of impressing people into signing up with us. Only in this case, replace "shiny bling" with "the cure for that horrible disease that's killing your loved ones". People are going to remember that and our reputation is only going to increase further.
Also, even if we spread out the cure, the situation in the lowlands is unlikely to change.
Even if we cured every sick man, woman and child right now, the Thunder Horses would still be beating up their cousins, the old Highland king's heirs would still be arguing over who gets the throne, and the Dead Priests would still be getting their teeth kicked in by everyone else whenever they poked their heads outside their Bone Wall of DOOM.
Unless something really crazy happens, the lowlands are going to be at war for a while. But even after it ends, everyone is still going to remember us as "those weird guys who tried to help us with the sickness". That nets us a certain level of respect from all our neighbors, which would definitely deter anyone thinking of marching up north to do some raiding in the future.
Not that we need help to beat the greedy buggers back, but I'd rather not have another secondary action locked down again.
To sum up the last turn:
"Aaarrgghh! Why is everyone getting sick?!"
"Someone call for a doctor?"
[X] Carefully study them for their mysteries
[X] [Main] Study Metal
[X] [Secondary] Study Health
[X] [Secondary] Survey Lands
Study Stars - Valleyhome
Expand Holy Site - Stonepen x2
Expand Economy - Redshore
Stallion Tribes - [Main] New Settlement, [Sec] New Trails, [Sec] Expand Econ
[X] [Main] Study Metal
[X] [Secondary] Study Health
[X] [Secondary] Survey Lands
Study Stars - Valleyhome
Expand Holy Site - Stonepen x2
Expand Economy - Redshore
Stallion Tribes - [Main] New Settlement, [Sec] New Trails, [Sec] Expand Econ
So basically, we wanted to play with the shiny Star Rocks we found and see what dropped out. We picked Study Metal and Survey Lands because we figured it'd synergise and Study Health was kinda thrown in there because a lot of people were worried about the side effects of doing proper mining at our technology level.
To be honest, I wasn't really a big fan of Study Health, but I voted for it anyway cause it seemed that everyone else was going for it. I personally didn't think it'd give us anything really good, but figured that some benefit was better then none.
Right now I will quite happily admit that I was totally, 100% wrong because this option has basically catapulted our technology to ludicrous levels for our time period.
But I'm getting ahead of myself. So, this is what happened last turn:
First off, we got a new trait. And guess what? This is the trait we were trying to crib off the Spirit Talkers all those years ago. Remember? That time when a lot of people were salty cause we ended up with Sacred War instead (which, to be fair, actually helped us out a lot while we still had it).
Basically, our shamans are turning into Stone Age proto-scientists, which makes our study actions better. And considering how many study actions we have, it's a pretty nice bonus.
On the downside, this can also lead to superstition or poking at something we should probably leave alone, so might be a good idea to keep an eye on this trait. I'm hoping that we can evolve or fuse it with something soonish, especially since we're doing at least one study action per turn (via Valleyhome and its Study Stars spamming).
So, to sum up: The Lowlands are, once again, a complete shit fest.
- Our people haven't actually seen any Dead Priests in so long that they've faded into legend. Kinda interesting to see how our people have gone from "The Dead Priests are monsters that need to be destroyed before they kill us all!" to "Hmm... you know, maybe they weren't so bad after all?"
- The Thunder Horses have decided to pull out of their war with the Highlands Kingdom because their annoying relatives have shown up and are metaphorically hogging the sofa and drinking all their beer. They even sent a tribute to apologize, which was pretty nice of them - their Diplomacy must be higher then we thought
Unfortunately...
Yeah. Bit awkward there.
Man, their hero king picked the worst time to die. If he'd hung on for a bit longer, he would have been able to accept the Thunder Horses surrender and basically secure the fertile lowlands for himself. Instead, he dropped dead just before the Thunder Horses showed up, so they got to his house only to find his children quarreling over who got all the nice furniture.
Bad luck going all around. I mean, think about it:
- If the Thunder Horses weren't distracted by their cousins showing up, they could have dominated the lowlands while the Highland Kingdom was busy with its civil war
- If the Highland Kingdom weren't in the middle of a civil war, they could have taken advantage of the Thunder Horses distraction to secure their own position in the Lowlands
- If the Dead Priests weren't hated by absolutely everyone, they might have been able to retake some of their old land. Instead, they're too busy fighting everyone else in the lowlands (including the Eastern Thunder Horses, if I'm remembering word of god correctly)
Meanwhile, in the northern hills:
Random Ymmir: "Wow, I sure am glad we finally solved that tax issue. It was making life really uncomfortable for everyone!"
Random Lowlander: "OH GOD WHY IS EVERYONE HERE TRYING TO KILL EACH OTHER AGAIN?!"
Fuck. Cholera?
This is really bad. If this is the first time anyone nearby has ever had it, nobody will have any resistance or know how to treat it.
Once again, the Ymmir show just how goddamn bullshit they are.
Also, loved the 300 references.
I really liked how our shamans were described in this part.
Due to our Holy Site expansions , we've got more assistants to handle the mundane day-to-day affairs so our proper shamans can devote more time to actually doing their jobs. Which, in typical Ymmir fashion, they have taken to with a gusto. Having a 4/6 child mortality rate may seem horrific to us now, but for that time it's actually surprisingly low. Yet our shamans still aren't satisfied. They're actually trying to lower it even more, which I'm honestly really pleased about.
Our people are freaking badasses. I love it.
Wow. Ok, from the top:
- Our shamans seem to be developing rudimentary scientific theory. They aren't just doing whatever comes to mind - they're taking the time to study a problem carefully before trying to develop a cure
- Holy shit. We have people willingly volunteering to test out experimental new treatments even though they know that they're likely to die horribly as a result. Pretty sure this is Greater Good and Honorable Death triggering together here
- Can you imagine how terrifying our people must look to everyone else? Think about it - the DPs version of Greater Good involved dragging slaves into their temples to be sacrificed. Our version involves people volunteering to serve as test subjects just for the chance of finding a cure
- By everyone else's standards, our people would probably seem insane due to the lengths they're willing to go through
- So through their studies, our shamans learned that the sickness spreads through tainted water
- And now we have the crazy synergy kicking in. Because they've taken the time to study metal, our shamans have developed a way to contain dangerous wastes by burying it with waterproof pottery so that the poison doesn't seep out.
- And lo, did our people develop early ceramic toilets in the fucking Copper Age
- And lo, did our shamans develop a fucking rehydration solution at a time when everyone thought sickness was an act of god
- For those who don't know how significant this is, a rehydrating solution isn't just useful for this one sickness. It's a good way to treat a variety of diseases and makes our people even more resistant to sickness then before
- Seriously, this alone flings our medical technology centuries ahead of everyone else. It's glorious
And lo, we have taken another step further into our eventual destiny as the OP Mary Sue wood elves of this world. And I love every second of it.
Crow isn't the only one who's laughing, that's for sure.
Oh, and almost as an afterthought, we get a heads up that our Survey action has found what looks like an iron deposit. Also, our people seem to think that all metals originally came from meteors, which is interesting. I wonder how they'll react when they start discovering more types of stone or metal?
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STATS
General
Diplomacy 5
Economy 5
Martial 8
Stability
Stability 0 (neutral)
Legitimacy 3 (max)
Organizational
Centralization 5
Hierarchy 6
Cultural
Art 4
Mysticism 6
Prestige 4
Diplomacy 5
Economy 5
Martial 8
Stability
Stability 0 (neutral)
Legitimacy 3 (max)
Organizational
Centralization 5
Hierarchy 6
Cultural
Art 4
Mysticism 6
Prestige 4
Everything looks pretty healthy right now apart from Stability (which is at 0 again) and Centralization (which is once again at the borderline).
Administration
Basic Administrative Math
Memory
Early Writing (Mixed Logo-/Phonographic)
Non-Local Authority
Written Laws
Construction
Wood
Masonry
Early City Walls
Energy Production
Muscle Power
Animal Power
Food Production
Fishing
Horse Milling
Mollusc Cultivation
Orchards
Step Farming
Terra Preta
Materials
Stone
Ash glazed pottery
Imported Copper
Medicine
Empirical primitive sanitary theory
Herbalism
Oral rehydration therapy
Ritual cowpox inoculation
Spiritualism
Science
Ancestral Heroes
Animism
Transportation
Animal Husbandry
Groomed Trails
Solid Wheel Carts
Watercraft
Great Canoes
Small Sailboats
Basic Administrative Math
Memory
Early Writing (Mixed Logo-/Phonographic)
Non-Local Authority
Written Laws
Construction
Wood
Masonry
Early City Walls
Energy Production
Muscle Power
Animal Power
Food Production
Fishing
Horse Milling
Mollusc Cultivation
Orchards
Step Farming
Terra Preta
Materials
Stone
Ash glazed pottery
Imported Copper
Medicine
Empirical primitive sanitary theory
Herbalism
Oral rehydration therapy
Ritual cowpox inoculation
Spiritualism
Science
Ancestral Heroes
Animism
Transportation
Animal Husbandry
Groomed Trails
Solid Wheel Carts
Watercraft
Great Canoes
Small Sailboats
So we now have Ash Glazed Pottery, Empirical Primitive Sanitary Theory and Oral Rehydration Therapy. In the Copper Age. The fucking Copper Age.
God, I love the Ymmir.
Either one of the last two would have been a significant boost. Both together in a single turn? If we were playing the Thunder Horses or something and the GM let slip that one of our neighbors had developed and implemented a cure to cholera in a single turn I would have immediately called bullshit and accused the GM of playing favorites.
Artistry
Political Art
Sacred Art
Specialists
Authority
Directed Political Violence
Law Itself
Tradition
Administrators
Specialist advisors
Entertainers
Amateur group activity
Non-caste semi-specialists
Intellectuals
Elders
Shamans
Leadership
Semi-hereditary specialist
Merchants
Hereditary family
Metal Working
Lined tailings pits
Specialist miners
Specialist smelters
Property
Communal
Warriors
Semi-hereditary specialist
Spiritually trained elites
Political Art
Sacred Art
Specialists
Authority
Directed Political Violence
Law Itself
Tradition
Administrators
Specialist advisors
Entertainers
Amateur group activity
Non-caste semi-specialists
Intellectuals
Elders
Shamans
Leadership
Semi-hereditary specialist
Merchants
Hereditary family
Metal Working
Lined tailings pits
Specialist miners
Specialist smelters
Property
Communal
Warriors
Semi-hereditary specialist
Spiritually trained elites
Ok, I don't know if this has been here since the last turn, but the Metal Working section is interesting to see. We've not only got specialists working as miners and smelters but also developed lined tailings pits.
For those who don't know, tailings is the term used to describe all the nasty waste products you get after pulling metal out of the rocks. They're really bad because they tend to release stuff like arsenic and mercury into the environment. By lining our pits with waterproof ceramic before dumping the tailings in, our people are able to reduce most of this damage, which is pretty great.
Our military tech seems about the same, so I'm not going to repeat it here.
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CHOICES
Choice number 1: How many refugees do we take in this time? Bear in mind that our Stability is 0.
Personally, I'm leaning towards the second option. The first option is "No chance of any benefit, tiny chance of taking a shot to Stability anyway" while the last is "An iceberg in our ship's path? Fuck it, who cares about that! Full steam ahead, men!"
Choice number 2: Do we let anyone else learn about our miraculous cure?
Some people are supporting Option A because they're happy to let all the lowlands die off.
On the other end of the spectrum, some people are going full sharing with everyone, even those lazy buggers who don't want to listen! We'll strap them to a chair and make them listen for their own good!
Picking the last option means that we're basically using the Spirit Talker's old strategy of showing up with loads of shiny bling in the hopes of impressing people into signing up with us. Only in this case, replace "shiny bling" with "the cure for that horrible disease that's killing your loved ones". People are going to remember that and our reputation is only going to increase further.
Also, even if we spread out the cure, the situation in the lowlands is unlikely to change.
Even if we cured every sick man, woman and child right now, the Thunder Horses would still be beating up their cousins, the old Highland king's heirs would still be arguing over who gets the throne, and the Dead Priests would still be getting their teeth kicked in by everyone else whenever they poked their heads outside their Bone Wall of DOOM.
Unless something really crazy happens, the lowlands are going to be at war for a while. But even after it ends, everyone is still going to remember us as "those weird guys who tried to help us with the sickness". That nets us a certain level of respect from all our neighbors, which would definitely deter anyone thinking of marching up north to do some raiding in the future.
Not that we need help to beat the greedy buggers back, but I'd rather not have another secondary action locked down again.
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Ghostdevil
The Devil of Ghosts
- Location
- United States
Have to be honest... did you even read the discussion?
People wanted study health so we don't get buttfucked by the negative effects of mining and the minerals. And to figure out a way to lower stability loss from taking mining options
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Only doable at Stability 2 or 3, but you are now imagining the hypothetical quintuple kick war mission against someone using biological warfare derived from the teachings of the People.
Unless you rolled incredibly poorly, you would probably get at least one full generation before anyone even considered poking you again, allowing for some recovery. We'd be talking archaeologists would be wondering what sort of ecological disaster caused the cessation of whatever civilization was involved, given that the layers would just stop at one point. Like, detritus layers from long term occupation, then a destruction layer, obvious burial and compaction, and only significantly later would the signs of human activity return.
Unless you rolled incredibly poorly, you would probably get at least one full generation before anyone even considered poking you again, allowing for some recovery. We'd be talking archaeologists would be wondering what sort of ecological disaster caused the cessation of whatever civilization was involved, given that the layers would just stop at one point. Like, detritus layers from long term occupation, then a destruction layer, obvious burial and compaction, and only significantly later would the signs of human activity return.
Wouldn't they unearth written records from the Ymrri?
Ghostdevil
The Devil of Ghosts
- Location
- United States
Probably, but it wouldn't be detailed enough to get a super clear picture of what happened