- Location
- The underworld
after the disease has finished burning itself out in the lowland lets expand there
Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
- Start date
- Original
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
- Location
- ꙮ
Was Sacred War a spiritual or Honor-based trait?
- Location
- Austria
Oooooooookay. I officialy stand corrected, Study combo was fucking perfectly timed. Good job, @veekie . And good on you for giving us the trait, credit is where credit's due.
Vote:
[X] A significant number (-1 Stability, +2 Econ)
[X] Share with everyone who will listen (+1 Stability, other effects)
[X] Megaproject Support
I want the saltern.
Vote:
[X] A significant number (-1 Stability, +2 Econ)
[X] Share with everyone who will listen (+1 Stability, other effects)
[X] Megaproject Support
I want the saltern.
Hey everyone voting for te +6-8 Econ? We're currently at Econ 6. If we take the +6-8 Econ, we'll be at Econ 12-14. From a previous turn, we know that Econ 12 was near or at our limit, and that going over the limit produces unknown bad effects. So, please, could you vote for the +4-5 Econ option? It'll give us more than enough Econ to complete the next Megaproject, and cost us less Stability.
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Doesn't matter, honorable death can be either.
Me too.
- Location
- Hell
It also makes us a tastier target and reduces the chaos in the lowlands. Do not want.
We haven't had any troubles whatsoever with Smallpox and we kept that a secret.
Then maybe vote for keeping it a secret? That increases the chances it stays in chaos and lets us walk in without worry of the diseases.
- Location
- Voidbetweenstars
True but having control of the cure that we can then cut off if they hate us......
pblur
Reminiscing over the halcyon days of Ymaryn
- Location
- Lawrence's Wagon
Smallpox vaccination is not sanitation. It doesn't provide herd immunity, and it won't up the market for salt. We have much better ressons to share this than that.
VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
- Location
- Anywhere but RL
Vote for the Saltern next turn plan!
[] Megaproject Support
[] Share with even those who don't want to listen (-1 Diplomacy, +1 immediate Stability, chance for additional stability, other effects)
[] A significant number (-1 Stability, +2 Econ)
This combo allows us to sit at 0 stability beginning of next turn and +1 stability for end of next turn, when we start on saltern mega project. With (low) chance of +2 stability if Greater Good trait triggers.
While the lowlanders are in raging war between HK civil war/TH and TH Eastern/ DP.
It also bumps our economy to 7 while remaining in baby boom, and prevents our cultural from being diluted by massive refugee flood!
Edit:
Meaning while in Negative Universe
Regular villager: "All my god, everyone is vomiting and dying!"
HK asshole Lord: "Why is my brother after my head? I'm the true king!"
TH asshole warrior: "You lot ain't true Thunder Horsemen"
Public announcement:"Ding, a player in game have developed early medical sanitation against pox."
Collective Rage "THE F**K!"
[] Megaproject Support
[] Share with even those who don't want to listen (-1 Diplomacy, +1 immediate Stability, chance for additional stability, other effects)
[] A significant number (-1 Stability, +2 Econ)
This combo allows us to sit at 0 stability beginning of next turn and +1 stability for end of next turn, when we start on saltern mega project. With (low) chance of +2 stability if Greater Good trait triggers.
While the lowlanders are in raging war between HK civil war/TH and TH Eastern/ DP.
It also bumps our economy to 7 while remaining in baby boom, and prevents our cultural from being diluted by massive refugee flood!
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Meaning while in Negative Universe
Regular villager: "All my god, everyone is vomiting and dying!"
HK asshole Lord: "Why is my brother after my head? I'm the true king!"
TH asshole warrior: "You lot ain't true Thunder Horsemen"
Public announcement:"Ding, a player in game have developed early medical sanitation against pox."
Collective Rage "THE F**K!"
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Abby Normal
High Clerk of the Ymaryn
- Pronouns
- He/Him
...I'm not sure what that has to do with my points, though?
Also, everyone's been so distracted with chalcolithic jon snow that i haven't seen anyone mention this, but am i right in thinking that this is an iron deposit? And that finding iron deposits was one of hte main early issues with ironworking?
So, if we were to take in no more than usual refugees and spread the information as much as we can, we have good odds of ending up at 1 Stability, decent odds of ending up at 2.
There is a very real chance that if we take in any amount of refugees the baby boom will end.
So, assuming that we don't take in any, we should have 5 econ next turn, the Garden will cost no more than 6, but even that seems unlikely, as we have tended to shave a turn off of megaprojects, but assuming it does.
[Main] The Garden-Kick
[Secondary] New Settlement-Southshore
[Secondary] New Settlement-Stouthshore x2
If we're on megaproject expansion detail this gives us room for the babyboom to continue growing, while putting what is effectively 4 turns on the garden. Considering our Symphony trait, that is actually really good odds on being enough to finish it. We will also have gained a point of econ. If the babyboom continues, we will easily have enough to finish the Salteen in terms of economy. We will also be able to continue to expand and get a new province the following turn. All while keeping ourselves at positive stability.
I really support this vote as such.
[X] No more than usual (Tiny chance of Stability loss)
[X] Share with even those who don't want to listen (-1 Diplomacy, +1 immediate Stability, chance for additional stability, other effects)
[X] Megaproject Support
There is a very real chance that if we take in any amount of refugees the baby boom will end.
So, assuming that we don't take in any, we should have 5 econ next turn, the Garden will cost no more than 6, but even that seems unlikely, as we have tended to shave a turn off of megaprojects, but assuming it does.
[Main] The Garden-Kick
[Secondary] New Settlement-Southshore
[Secondary] New Settlement-Stouthshore x2
If we're on megaproject expansion detail this gives us room for the babyboom to continue growing, while putting what is effectively 4 turns on the garden. Considering our Symphony trait, that is actually really good odds on being enough to finish it. We will also have gained a point of econ. If the babyboom continues, we will easily have enough to finish the Salteen in terms of economy. We will also be able to continue to expand and get a new province the following turn. All while keeping ourselves at positive stability.
I really support this vote as such.
[X] No more than usual (Tiny chance of Stability loss)
[X] Share with even those who don't want to listen (-1 Diplomacy, +1 immediate Stability, chance for additional stability, other effects)
[X] Megaproject Support
- Location
- United States
Actually, we have 6 slots as RedShore just expanded economy.
The baby boom takes up about 3 slots per turn, so expansion is a must if we want it to keep going.
AN has said that we're just telling them what to do, not why they should do it (Read: not giving them inoculation tech). We're also giving them the recipe for the "potion" which coincidentally uses lots of salt. We're totally safe from the Pox and it's offshoots and the lowlands aren't, so currently I think it's better to accrue a fuck ton of good will and set the foundation of astronomical salt demands.
We could devote our secondaries to settlements, but the expansion policy also makes providences (which we can't do as secondary actions).
pblur
Reminiscing over the halcyon days of Ymaryn
- Location
- Lawrence's Wagon
Sold
[X] Megaproject Support
[X] Share with even those who don't want to listen (-1 Diplomacy, +1 immediate Stability, chance for additional stability, other effects)
[X] A significant number (-1 Stability, +2 Econ)
redzonejoe
Vaguely Pastafarian
- Location
- Canada
What's with this seemingly arbitrary need to finish a megaproject in one turn?
[X] A significant number (-1 Stability, +2 Econ)
[X] Share with even those who don't want to listen (-1 Diplomacy, +1 immediate Stability, chance for additional stability, other effects)
[X] Expansion
I'd actually prefer the -2 stability refuge option paired with starting saltern to even out the loss, but apparently people want garden + megaproject support for some reason?
[X] A significant number (-1 Stability, +2 Econ)
[X] Share with even those who don't want to listen (-1 Diplomacy, +1 immediate Stability, chance for additional stability, other effects)
[X] Expansion
I'd actually prefer the -2 stability refuge option paired with starting saltern to even out the loss, but apparently people want garden + megaproject support for some reason?
Powerofmind
In Madness Fallen
- Location
- United States
Basically, there's three ways this can be done.
LoO -1, No share, Megaproject
LoO -1, Full Share, Megaproject
LoO -3, Full Share, Expansion
STABILITY RATES:
First route: 6% of -0 stability, 40% of -1, 54% of -2
Second route: 5% of +2, 50% of +1, 45% of +0
Third Route: 0.05% of +2, 0.5% of +1, 5% of +0, 50% of -1, and 44.45% of -2
MEGAPROJECT PREP:
First route: 94% that at least one GS must be performed next turn, Megaproject action consumes 1-3 econ (province maybe, kicker maybe), provinces pick up econ slack if there is any (it's part of the megaproject).
Second route: 100% that no GS is specifically required, Megaproject consumes 2-3 econ (province+kicker), provinces pick up econ slack if there is any.
Third Route: 94.45% that GS is needed, Megaproject consumes 1-2 econ (kicker maybe), provinces only do econ to prevent overcrowding.
Assured fastest megaproject is route 2, but we give away the protective secrets. Salt could become a major trade good we'd control locally, which blunts the problems we would otherwise have with sharing the secret. Hiding the secret, however, ensures that there's yet another disease everybody else gets hit by that we don't, even if it locks us out of raising diplo with the saltern (instead raising econ or mil more? there's a number of potential outcomes).
LoO -1, No share, Megaproject
LoO -1, Full Share, Megaproject
LoO -3, Full Share, Expansion
STABILITY RATES:
First route: 6% of -0 stability, 40% of -1, 54% of -2
Second route: 5% of +2, 50% of +1, 45% of +0
Third Route: 0.05% of +2, 0.5% of +1, 5% of +0, 50% of -1, and 44.45% of -2
MEGAPROJECT PREP:
First route: 94% that at least one GS must be performed next turn, Megaproject action consumes 1-3 econ (province maybe, kicker maybe), provinces pick up econ slack if there is any (it's part of the megaproject).
Second route: 100% that no GS is specifically required, Megaproject consumes 2-3 econ (province+kicker), provinces pick up econ slack if there is any.
Third Route: 94.45% that GS is needed, Megaproject consumes 1-2 econ (kicker maybe), provinces only do econ to prevent overcrowding.
Assured fastest megaproject is route 2, but we give away the protective secrets. Salt could become a major trade good we'd control locally, which blunts the problems we would otherwise have with sharing the secret. Hiding the secret, however, ensures that there's yet another disease everybody else gets hit by that we don't, even if it locks us out of raising diplo with the saltern (instead raising econ or mil more? there's a number of potential outcomes).
- Location
- Illinois
Wait...
Holy shit, does anyone else even have honey? We're the only forest dwellers, so...
- Location
- Hell
What does that have to do with Sharing? We have had zero problems from not sharing our medicine. If anything, it allows us to avoid the chaos that is the lowlands.
Alternatively we could let them die and leave us to advance.
No we don't. Sharing means that they stabilize and try and drag us into their war again.
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
- Location
- ꙮ
General opinion:
Keeping the secret is good cus it lets us keep to our quiet path and provides us advantage due to the culling of others populations.
Sharing the secret is good because it is the correct moral choice, and we literally developed this cure through the deaths of our own solely to stop the suffering of other people.
I'll leave this choice to you.
Can you just like... upgrade that Sharing vote one more step? If we're not sharing w/ everyone it's troublesome and less valuable <3 <3
@Academia Nut Would you be?
@Moderators Hey... whoever made the tagging system can you please make it so that it stops moving my cursor thing to the left of the @ NameHere thing? It makes @ ing people like 9 times harder cus I have to figure out that I need to press enter rather than keep typing.
Keeping the secret is good cus it lets us keep to our quiet path and provides us advantage due to the culling of others populations.
Sharing the secret is good because it is the correct moral choice, and we literally developed this cure through the deaths of our own solely to stop the suffering of other people.
I'll leave this choice to you.
Hey buddy....
Can you just like... upgrade that Sharing vote one more step? If we're not sharing w/ everyone it's troublesome and less valuable <3 <3
So what you're saying is that Sacred War was a Spiritual/Honor trait? It matters cus if it's only spiritual we can't take it unless AN is willing to move Honourable Death to a different slot.
@Academia Nut Would you be?
@Moderators Hey... whoever made the tagging system can you please make it so that it stops moving my cursor thing to the left of the @ NameHere thing? It makes @ ing people like 9 times harder cus I have to figure out that I need to press enter rather than keep typing.
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Despite the tax snafu, you still have the finest taxmen in the known world. Your priests are considered odd in that most of them are very practical people, even if they also study esoteric subjects. Your shamans are less mysterious and more approachable, although they also maintain a very tight grip on anything they legitimately consider dangerous.
"Ummm."
"Ummm what?."
"The timeline change."
"What?!. Another one of those goddamn confederate/nazi/commie etc time traveling types?."
"Nope. Spontaneous native advancement."
"......"-".....That's new. What is it?."
"Hygiene and germ theory."
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- Location
- Philippines
@Academia Nut is the -3 stability LOO action a mass diplo annex action meaning that along with the refugees we will also get territory in the low lands?
pblur
Reminiscing over the halcyon days of Ymaryn
- Location
- Lawrence's Wagon
Why Garden? Saltern seems to have better synergy and bonuses, and was even hinted at as a really good option by AN before the last update.
- Location
- madison
and lo, did the horsemen of plague reap a grim toll, riding unopposed and unstoppable among all peoples. Until it came to the people of crow sitting in a valley, who said unto it, "NOT TODAY MOTHERFUCKER!"
oh my god, this is amazing. oh man, future historians are going to be absolutely stumped about any recovered writings talking about slaying an army of demons at great cost.
oh my god, this is amazing. oh man, future historians are going to be absolutely stumped about any recovered writings talking about slaying an army of demons at great cost.