Except that would be an uphill battle, quite likely an impossible one, effectively stripping land from our entire population and giving it back to the state,
Paths of Civilization
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Except that would be an uphill battle, quite likely an impossible one, effectively stripping land from our entire population and giving it back to the state,
"A bit trickier" is an extreme understatement.
From the point of view of the People?
Absolutely!
This change of laws would mean a huge change of who and what the People have been so far.
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Might as well let you know, but Cwriid (given his propensity for ambushes and surprise flanks, you should be able to figure out the pronunciation) has two Heroic stats. He's not just a Heroic Warrior, but a Heroic General. Outside of mysticism, which few heroes are good at, his one remaining stat is only mediocre rather than terrible, and that's because we're still a bit early for logistics to be quite as important as they will eventually be.
- Location
- Panama City
Change or die
But seriously, change is inevitable. We can control the change, or we can perish as we tear each other apart
Yeahhhhhhh. I love me some admin out of a general.
Change or die
But seriously, change is inevitable. We can control the change, or we can perish as we tear each other apart
Not this change.
This changes what the People are about, what was built up in a thousand years.
- Location
- Illinois
[X] Elect Cwriid heir (+1 Stability, Crisis Ends on his terms)
[X] Stop trading with both (-4 Diplomacy)
[X] We will find land for you to settle (-1 Stability, +2 Econ)
Several reasons for this,
1) He is competent and suited for the job that lays before us. War is on the horizon, and yet we don't want to put our Martial Hero in? Meh.
2) There will be a chance to change around the land rules later, and he will insure that we get Law through.
I have more, but I hate typing on phones, so meh.
[X] Stop trading with both (-4 Diplomacy)
[X] We will find land for you to settle (-1 Stability, +2 Econ)
Several reasons for this,
1) He is competent and suited for the job that lays before us. War is on the horizon, and yet we don't want to put our Martial Hero in? Meh.
2) There will be a chance to change around the land rules later, and he will insure that we get Law through.
I have more, but I hate typing on phones, so meh.
- Location
- Panama City
....does that mean he's both heroic martial AND heroic admin?
Jesus Fuck. We NEED him
Change or die
But seriously, change is inevitable. We can control the change, or we can perish as we tear each other apart
Which still does not mean we should abandon everything that makes the People unique instead of enhancing it.
- Location
- Hell
We need Stability 2, 1 at minimum. Taking in the refugees puts us down to zero.
Yes, not picking it once when we have done it every time is going to suddenly change the trait. Ok
- Location
- Panama City
So? Trying to remain the same forever is stagnation, which kills civilizations
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Heroic martial and diplo.
So what are the stats again? I thought admin go with logistics?
VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
- Location
- Anywhere but RL
Do you know what the hardest thing to change in history was? Traditions, but if we codified it into law; then it is something that can be refuted and changed when we need to.
Our people already have private ownership of wealth and heirloom, owning land is the next step.
- Location
- Illinois
Yeah, notice that he's ruled his province well. This isn't a meathead warrior, he's actually a good ruler.
- Location
- Panama City
ok. I have to fucking know. What in the everloving FUCK was the dice roll that spawned him?!
He's memetic WH40K Creed isn't he.
And yeah, I'm not opposed to making him king if we also keep up trade. It gives us ~3-4 turns' worth of diplomacy, and the war actions are likely to give us extra martial since we'll be winning them pretty hard.
And changing a more advanced ultimately robust system for one we know to be extremely problematic is not a wise thing to do.
I agree we need him... to die a heroic death.
- Location
- Panama City
How is our system more advanced? I don't really understand that
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
- Location
- Lickwidget
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Bungie's Path to Victory Part 4: The Burning is Good
Now I shall try to become the Path to Victory.
Begin Predictive Stream.
Reminder that this is impartial and a simple attempt at making postulations.
All predictive paths are for the next turn.
Right then. Feel free to suggest postulations.
And remember I'm just doing this for fun and curiosity.
The Outer Polities:Now I shall try to become the Path to Victory.
Begin Predictive Stream.
Reminder that this is impartial and a simple attempt at making postulations.
All predictive paths are for the next turn.
Right then. Feel free to suggest postulations.
And remember I'm just doing this for fun and curiosity.
The War between TH and HK
Possible Scenarios
Path 1: It continues next turn. Neither side has an advantage. War is unlikely to end for some time. Refugee wave is somewhat likely. The DP are waiting in the wings.
Path 2: It continues next turn. TH have the advantage. Refugee wave is likely.
Path 3: It continues next turn. TH spawn a Hero. TH have the advantage. Refugee wave is likely.
Path 5: It continues next turn. TH spawn a Diplo Hero. They try to centralize. Refugee wave is likely.
Path 6: It continues next turn. HK have the advantage. Refugee wave is likely.
Path 7: It continues next turn. HK spawn a Hero. HK have the advantage. Refugee wave is likely.
Path 8: It continues next turn. HK spawn a Diplo Hero. They try to Diplomance the DP. Refugee wave is likely.
Path 9: It stops next turn. Neither force had the advantage. Refugee wave is somewhat likely. Tensions are high.
Path 10: It stops next turn. TH had the advantage. Refugee wave is somewhat likely. TH are in prominence within the Lowlands and start expanding south west.
Path 11: It stops next turn. HK had the advantage. Refugee wave is somewhat likely. HK are in prominence within the Lowlands and start expanding north east.
Path 12: It continues next turn. The DP surge up and try to reclaim their stuff, turning it into a three way. War is unlikely to end for some time. Refugee wave is somewhat likely.
Path 13: It continues next turn. A Hero for the DP spawns. The DP surge up and turn it into a three way to their limited advantage. War is unlikely to end for some time. Refugee wave is likely.
Path 14: It continues next turn. A Diplo Hero for the DP spawns. The DP try to swing it somehow in their advantage. War is unlikely to end for some time. Refugee wave is likely.
The Nomads:
Possible Scenarios
Path 1: A Warboss Hero spawns for them and leads a massive migration south. A minor Waaagh! is started. North March is attacked. Lowlands attacked as well.
Path 2: A Warboss Hero spawns for them and leads a massive migration south. A minor Waaagh! is started. North March is attacked and requests aid. Lowlands attacked as well.
Path 3: A Warboss Hero spawns for them and leads a truly massive migration south. A major Waaagh! is started. North March is attacked and requests aid. Lowlands attacked heavily as well.
Path 4: A Warboss Hero spawns for them and leads a truly massive migration south. A major Waaagh! is started. North March is attacked and does not request aid. Lowlands attacked heavily as well.
Path 5: They do not attack.
The Sea Raiders:
Possible Scenarios: Note all of these are still possible considering there seem to be several factions. Multiple at once is very vaguely possible.
Path 1: They continue raiding at current levels. Experience is gained in sea warfare.
Path 2: They drop raiding intensity. Some experience is gained in sea warfare.
Path 3: We receive a trade mission from them.
Path 4: A Hero spawns. Raiding increases.
Path 5: A Diplo Hero spawns. Trade begins.
The Metal Workers:
Possible Scenarios if they know where we are. More than across the sea is my meaning.
Path 1: They send a trade mission.
Path 2: They do not send a trade mission.
Path 3: They attack us, beginning raiding.
Possible Scenarios
Path 1: It continues next turn. Neither side has an advantage. War is unlikely to end for some time. Refugee wave is somewhat likely. The DP are waiting in the wings.
Path 2: It continues next turn. TH have the advantage. Refugee wave is likely.
Path 3: It continues next turn. TH spawn a Hero. TH have the advantage. Refugee wave is likely.
Path 5: It continues next turn. TH spawn a Diplo Hero. They try to centralize. Refugee wave is likely.
Path 6: It continues next turn. HK have the advantage. Refugee wave is likely.
Path 7: It continues next turn. HK spawn a Hero. HK have the advantage. Refugee wave is likely.
Path 8: It continues next turn. HK spawn a Diplo Hero. They try to Diplomance the DP. Refugee wave is likely.
Path 9: It stops next turn. Neither force had the advantage. Refugee wave is somewhat likely. Tensions are high.
Path 10: It stops next turn. TH had the advantage. Refugee wave is somewhat likely. TH are in prominence within the Lowlands and start expanding south west.
Path 11: It stops next turn. HK had the advantage. Refugee wave is somewhat likely. HK are in prominence within the Lowlands and start expanding north east.
Path 12: It continues next turn. The DP surge up and try to reclaim their stuff, turning it into a three way. War is unlikely to end for some time. Refugee wave is somewhat likely.
Path 13: It continues next turn. A Hero for the DP spawns. The DP surge up and turn it into a three way to their limited advantage. War is unlikely to end for some time. Refugee wave is likely.
Path 14: It continues next turn. A Diplo Hero for the DP spawns. The DP try to swing it somehow in their advantage. War is unlikely to end for some time. Refugee wave is likely.
The Nomads:
Possible Scenarios
Path 1: A Warboss Hero spawns for them and leads a massive migration south. A minor Waaagh! is started. North March is attacked. Lowlands attacked as well.
Path 2: A Warboss Hero spawns for them and leads a massive migration south. A minor Waaagh! is started. North March is attacked and requests aid. Lowlands attacked as well.
Path 3: A Warboss Hero spawns for them and leads a truly massive migration south. A major Waaagh! is started. North March is attacked and requests aid. Lowlands attacked heavily as well.
Path 4: A Warboss Hero spawns for them and leads a truly massive migration south. A major Waaagh! is started. North March is attacked and does not request aid. Lowlands attacked heavily as well.
Path 5: They do not attack.
The Sea Raiders:
Possible Scenarios: Note all of these are still possible considering there seem to be several factions. Multiple at once is very vaguely possible.
Path 1: They continue raiding at current levels. Experience is gained in sea warfare.
Path 2: They drop raiding intensity. Some experience is gained in sea warfare.
Path 3: We receive a trade mission from them.
Path 4: A Hero spawns. Raiding increases.
Path 5: A Diplo Hero spawns. Trade begins.
The Metal Workers:
Possible Scenarios if they know where we are. More than across the sea is my meaning.
Path 1: They send a trade mission.
Path 2: They do not send a trade mission.
Path 3: They attack us, beginning raiding.
The People:
Core:
Economic Crisis
Possible Scenarios
Path 1: Econ loss due to the crisis.
Path 2: No Econ loss due to crisis.
Out of the following Provinces, three will take actions.
Valleyhome
Possible Scenarios
Path 1: An Econ raising action.
Path 2: A Study action.
Path 3: Study Stars
Redshore
Possible Scenarios
Path 1: An Econ raising action.
Path 2: Expand Snails.
Path 3: A Study action.
Path 4: Study Stars.
Stonepen
Possible Scenarios
Path 1: An Econ raising action.
Path 2: A Study action.
Path 3: Study Stars.
Path 4: They build a Settlement.
Sacred Forest
Possible Scenarios
Path 1: An Econ raising action.
Path 2: A Study action.
Path 3: Study Stars.
Northshore
Possible Scenarios
Path 1: An Econ raising action.
Path 2: A Study action.
Path 3: Study Stars.
Path 4: They build a Settlement.
North March:
Possible Scenarios for their Main
Path 1: Building more boats.
Path 2: Expanding their Martial.
Path 3: An Econ growing action.
Path 4: A War Action against the core if the central government fails enormously in his eyes.
Path 5: A trade mission to the Metal Workers or Lowlands. Nomads not extant enough in the area to send a mission to.
Path 6: An exploration somewhere else.
Path 7: Build Walls.
Path 8: Build Watchtowers.
Path 9: Grow Forests.
Path 10: Another New Settlement.
Possible Scenarios for their Secondaries
Pick an option from the Main listing.
Economic Crisis
Possible Scenarios
Path 1: Econ loss due to the crisis.
Path 2: No Econ loss due to crisis.
Out of the following Provinces, three will take actions.
Valleyhome
Possible Scenarios
Path 1: An Econ raising action.
Path 2: A Study action.
Path 3: Study Stars
Redshore
Possible Scenarios
Path 1: An Econ raising action.
Path 2: Expand Snails.
Path 3: A Study action.
Path 4: Study Stars.
Stonepen
Possible Scenarios
Path 1: An Econ raising action.
Path 2: A Study action.
Path 3: Study Stars.
Path 4: They build a Settlement.
Sacred Forest
Possible Scenarios
Path 1: An Econ raising action.
Path 2: A Study action.
Path 3: Study Stars.
Northshore
Possible Scenarios
Path 1: An Econ raising action.
Path 2: A Study action.
Path 3: Study Stars.
Path 4: They build a Settlement.
North March:
Possible Scenarios for their Main
Path 1: Building more boats.
Path 2: Expanding their Martial.
Path 3: An Econ growing action.
Path 4: A War Action against the core if the central government fails enormously in his eyes.
Path 5: A trade mission to the Metal Workers or Lowlands. Nomads not extant enough in the area to send a mission to.
Path 6: An exploration somewhere else.
Path 7: Build Walls.
Path 8: Build Watchtowers.
Path 9: Grow Forests.
Path 10: Another New Settlement.
Possible Scenarios for their Secondaries
Pick an option from the Main listing.
The Whims of Arengee
The Good
Possible Scenarios
Path 1: A trade/exploratory mission from a foreign power reaches us.
Path 2: A tech innovation happens.
Path 3: A disaster does not occur. No refugee wave.
The Bad
Path 1: A non-disease disaster occurs. Refugee wave incoming the same turn.
The Ugly
Path 1: A disease disaster occurs. We are familiar with it and have few issues. Refugee wave incoming the same turn.
Path 2: A disease disaster occurs. We are not familiar with it and have problems. Refugee wave incoming the same turn.
Path 3: A refugee wave comes from a distant foreign power.
The Other.
Possible scenarios
Path 1: Something else weird happens.
Path 2: A mid turn occurs.
Possible Scenarios
Path 1: A trade/exploratory mission from a foreign power reaches us.
Path 2: A tech innovation happens.
Path 3: A disaster does not occur. No refugee wave.
The Bad
Path 1: A non-disease disaster occurs. Refugee wave incoming the same turn.
The Ugly
Path 1: A disease disaster occurs. We are familiar with it and have few issues. Refugee wave incoming the same turn.
Path 2: A disease disaster occurs. We are not familiar with it and have problems. Refugee wave incoming the same turn.
Path 3: A refugee wave comes from a distant foreign power.
The Other.
Possible scenarios
Path 1: Something else weird happens.
Path 2: A mid turn occurs.
Welp that's what I got so far for Part 4. Only really big differences are in the War between the TH and HK.
VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
- Location
- Anywhere but RL
Ha, big stick and good charm? No wonder people love him.
Third hero king right here.
Elective monarchy, while he is going full dynastic with his children.
Flexible land ownership.
Sorry, but do you somehow think that the mere existence of written laws obviates tradition and social expectation?