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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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Enjou said:
Maybe phrase it as non-lethal solutions, when it's practical to use them, are preferable because they are less likely to continue the cycle of hatred. A person not killed today is one of their children not growing up hating us and being our enemy tomorrow.
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I'd be happy with that. I'd also be happy with simply including non-lethality stuff in a bullet point for our idealism speech concepts.
 
Radvic said:
I'd be happy with that. I'd also be happy with simply including non-lethality stuff in a bullet point for our idealism speech concepts.
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I've added some bullet points to the speech section. Also, made it both speeches and prepared statements, since not everything we say will be in speech format. In addition, clearly stated to do this with the team, so that we'll have the group criticizing things we come up with.

Enjou said:
[X] Action Plan: Clear Communication, Reasonable Paranoia

Goals:
  • Survive
  • Continue preparation and discussion to deal with Leaf clan politics
Methods:
  1. Ask Jiraiya if he can secure the residence, or at least one room within, against spying (anti-Hyuuga seals, etc) if he hasn't already. You may need to talk about clan secrets in these discussions.
  2. Elaborate more on the most promising inovations and ideas
    1. Invisible Ink Seals: Hazou likely can draw seals out of invisible ink. This may let us keep the advantage of certain seals like skywalkers for a little longer past when enemies capture our seals. Speak of this only if you are in a room secured against spying.
    2. Propulsion Seals: We have some ideas on how to make seals that can be used to propel boats, carts, or airships and to turn cranks. This could be helpful for logistical purpose, civilian transportation, agriculture, and industry
      1. Potential methods for doing this are: Modified Macerators, Force seals, Explosive seals, loops with storage seals releasing and storing weights activated by tripwires
  3. If you can get him to secure your room against spying, tell Jiraiya that the Iron Nerve is Uchiha derived. We don't know if that will be an issue. We've been told that People with activated sharingans will be able to tell by looking at our eyes.
  4. As a miscellaneous item related to the upcoming Capybara Scroll mission, Hazou notes to Jiraiya that he remembers a strange turn of phrase a Hinago ninja used - "the serpent is in the details". The HInago Medical Facility is where the deal is going down, and the Hydra Medical Foundation is another medical group that is in Tea (where the Capybara scroll presumably disappeared from) that uses a mythical snake in their name and has odd turns of phrase related to that. Two medical groups with some strange snake related themes? Maybe a coincidence, but they could also be code signal phrases, and it could indicate a connection. Ask if Jiraiya managed to investigate the Hydra Foundation, and if there's anything he's able to share about it if he did.
  5. Ask Kei if she'd like our help with directed questions from an external perspective to help investigate her options. Regardless of if she says yes or no, just state that she's a member of the team no matter what she chooses, and that the rest of the team will support her either way. If yes:
    1. Which way is she currently leaning? If she's leaning towards joining the Nara clan, is she learning towards adoption or marriage?
      1. If Keiko is considering the marriage option seriously, make a note to ask Jiraiya who the likely candidates are.
    2. The objective benefits of accepting the proposal are fairly obvious, but how does the notion make her feel and how much is she weighing that in the decision?
    3. The Nara want some kind of Mori clan secret. Hazou doesn't need to know the details if she does not want to share it with him, but how much does she think doing so with the Nara will actually affect the Mori clan?
      1. Would sharing the secret of the coins likely make the war end faster, and thus likely cause less Moris (and Wakahisas) to die in the war?
        1. Would it also likely make it harder for Mist to take aggressive action after the war, presuming they lose? If yes, that means less chance of Mist entering into a conflict, so less chance of members of her family dying.
      2. Does she think the Naras may try to keep her (and by extension the rest of the team) happy by refraining from using the attained information in ways that would explicitly target Moris (and Wakahisas), focusing on other Mist targets or on disrupting their intel gathering?
      3. Would it be likely that the Mori would believe their secret is compromised once the team's presence in Leaf is made public, and if so would it be difficult for them to change it so her own knowledge becomes out of date?
        1. How likely is it they already made changes given the team became missing-nin, thus making her information already at least somewhat out of date?
      4. If there's anything she wants to ask Hazou his opinion on, she should feel free.
  6. Work with the team to make speech outlines and prepared statements for use when Jiraiya shows us off to people, covering a variety of approaches to deal with different groups. Ensure that different approaches are consistent with one another.
    1. Loyalty and tradition.
      • Emphasize Leaf's ways as positive. Treated the team firmly but fairly, gave reasonable second chances, treated the team as people and not just tools. Will of Fire shows Leaf is the most trustworthy and honorable village, makes it very attractive to the team.
      • Emphasize how the Mizukage's leadership makes Mist an undesirable place to be. People are tools or traitors with no inbetween, and even honest mistakes can get you disposed of even if you're actually loyal. Mist could have skywalkers instead of Leaf, but the Mizukage's shortsighted ideology meant the team would likely be killed or enslaved if they went back.
    2. Civilian prosperity.
      • Keep idealism to a pragmatic level. You don't want to come off as naive.
      • Use stories from our time as missing-nin meeting and helping civilians, and how ninja can do a lot of good.
      • Emphasize how civilian prosperity will lead to a stronger, more prosperous Fire nation. If Leaf is too strong for the other villages to risk attacking Fire's civilian populations then their only choice is to follow Leaf's example, resulting in a better world all around.
    3. Useful inventions.
      • Continue use of examples of how skytowers and skywalkers give Leaf an edge other villages can't currently counter. (note - be sure those you're talking to are authorized to know about these before mentioning it)
      • Emphasize how having a dedicated R&D clan will continue to ensure that Leaf stays ahead of the curve, maintaining and securing its position as the strongest hidden village.
    4. Non-Lethal.
      • Be very sure who to target this type of argument to in order to not be associated with Gai in people's minds.
      • Note how non-lethal methods are less likely to cause hatred - the child of an enemy you kill today will hate you and become an enemy tomorrow. Preventing the perpetuation of the cycle of hatred makes future wars less likely.
  7. Read Books
  8. Reasonable Paranoia Measures - You should be safe in Leaf given your ANBU guard, but it never hurts to take some basic precautions. If a Mist spy is aware of your presence, it would be best for the team to be prepared.
    1. Every member of the team should keep a PMYF kunai on their person at all times, unless in a situation where they might be asked to disarm for legitimate reasons.
    2. Suggest keeping substitution targets in various spots in your current residence.
    3. Whenever you are moving from one location to another, be sure to maintain awareness of your surroundings.
    4. Quietly suggest to Jiraiya that it may be wise to allow Kagome to put up some reasonable defensive measures in your current residence, if only for Kagome's peace of mind. Jiraiya can define what is reasonable.
    5. Dispel at random times. Been a while since you've done that. Don't want to lose your edge!
  9. Provide Jiraiya a more complete list of our ideas, categorized by how long it will take us to research them.
    • Immediately Viable (Disclaimer: These are ideas which could be implemented immediately or near immediately, and likely make decent bargaining chips)
      1. Macerator Variations (Disclaimer : All of these are just other things we could put into the misterators to get a bevy of other effects.)
        • Smoke Bomb : Fill with ash or talc, mostly annoying.
        • Scent Bomb : Fill with scented oils or other similar materials.
          • Border patrols and other similar groups given these could tag a more powerful enemy and run, allowing more powerful teams with good noses to find them more easily.
        • Crowd Control : Fill with pepper or other skin irritants.
          • No idea how much you deal with civilians non-lethally, but this will be useful to keep any unruly post-war populations in line without killing them and causing further unrest.
        • Poison Bomb : Fill with poison.
          • You've got mednin, researchers, and the Yamanaka. They've got to have poisons that would work well when turned into a mist.
        • Flashbang : Fill with small amount of soft, white-hot metal.
          • Probably a bit difficult to get right, but it should fill the air with a large pile of glowing dust that is very bright for a tiny moment before it cools off.
          • Non-lethal, though it might cause minor blisters.
        • Medicinal Use (Non-Combat) : Use to grind and mix medicinal ingredients.
          • Probably good for creating standardized repeatable doses of medicines, as well as generally making them easier to absorb.
        • Cooking (Non-Combat) : I'm sure the Akimichi will come up with something.
      2. Poor Man's Yellow Flash applications
        • Storage seal attached to a timer, stick a kawarimi target into the seal, and put the seal on a Kunai. Get the target where you need it.
        • Put a huge rock in it, now you have a kunai that turns into a large rock moving very fast. Squish.
        • The Uchiha, with their famed kinesthetic sense, can probably do some very amusing and useful things with this.
        • Try throwing only these and then swap to an explosive kunai when your enemy figures out the pattern.
      3. Sheeting Yourself : If you're falling and need to slow yourself down, henge into a large thin sheet of cloth. Useful if you're in midair and something unexpected happens.
        • Probably should be part of the Leaf standard doctrine for Skywalker and Skytower use. It should definitely be in the first draft of the doctrine.
      4. Invisible Ink Seals : We can probably make seals off of invisible ink
        1. This would help with opsec for new seals like skywalkers. (again, only list if in a location secured against spying)
    • Little Effort Needed (Disclaimer : Require tiny modifications or improvements to seals we already know. Between days and weeks of research.)
      • Pressure Triggered Seals : Seals that allow triggering of other seals with small carefully applied pressure.
        • Make ones that the Aburame could trigger with their bugs.
        • Make seals that civilians can use.
    • Some Effort Needed (Disclaimer : Chains of research products, projects probably take weeks to months.)
      • Poor Man's Sensor Seals : Provide anyone with shitty chakra sensor powers.
        • We expect that we could make chakra detecting seals that buzz quietly.
        • When worn on a tight belt should give some indication of chakra use and direction in the nearby environment. (Seals closer to the source would buzz more)
        • With 24/7 use, training, and practice, detecting chakra should become second nature.
        • Probably not as good as a normal sensor, and probably issues with sensing at range, but it's a lot better than nothing.
      • Civilian Usable Storage Seals : Lets civilians use them to transfer goods, and generally allows merchants to be more efficient.
        • Storage Seal with tripwire seals on the reverse that trigger storage and release.
        • Civvies get more logistics capability, more trade, cheaper luxuries, bigger goods stockpiles.
        • Might be worth just giving away the design after a war to help counteract the usual post-war economic slump in losing nations.
      • Civilian Usable Macerators : Same as civilian storage, but for macerators that only grind/mix, don't expel with velocity or aerate.
        • Same thing with tripwires, set so that they are only useful for extremely fine grinding and mixing.
        • Probably useful for a lot of things, if we make more powerful macerators first should allow civilians to powder metals and other interesting materials.
        • Likely more efficient extraction of ore from stone, easier and more repeatable experimentation with alloys. Another economic boost, and more metal is probably good all around.
    • Significant Effort Needed (Disclaimers : Requires lots of preliminary research, or requires a more skill than we have right now.)
      • Airships : Either seal based aircraft, or lighter than air craft that only require sealing for construction and not for operation.
        • Likely useful to keep Leaf's superiority after everyone has skywalkers and skytowers. (They will probably leak if we use them a lot, and we should think about how to keep that from being a problem before that happens.)
      • Sealing Pantograph : Want to explore methods to maximize the production of seals, start with making multiple duplicates at a time.
      • Propulsion Seals : We have some ideas on how to make seals that can be used to power boats, carts, or airships. Might be useful.
        • Modified Macerators
        • Force seals
        • Explosive seals
        • loops with automated storage seals using gravity for power
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Enjou said:
I've added some bullet points to the speech section. Also, made it both speeches and prepared statements, since not everything we say will be in speech format. In addition, clearly stated to do this with the team, so that we'll have the group criticizing things we come up with.
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Can we add consideration to the concern that the CUSS and civilian application seals are potential security nightmare.

Something like: "Need to discuss potential security concerns about civilian seals and how to mitigate it".
 
Kiba said:
Can we add consideration to the concern that the CUSS and civilian application seals are potential security nightmare.

Something like: "Need to discuss potential security concerns about civilian seals and how to mitigate it".
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So far as I can tell, there is no mention of civilian seals in our speeches at the moment. It would be odd to make the only reference to something we want to make be a warning about it, especially in a speech intended to win us allies.
 
Enjou said:
Mist could have skywalkers instead of Leaf, but the Mizukage's shortsighted ideology meant the team would likely be killed or enslaved if they went back.
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I know that these aren't the finished speeches, but I would leave this part out because:

a) It sounds like we would have gone back to Mist if we had the option (not untrue, but doesn't really endear us to the Clans).

b) Can be used as an argument against us or just simply misunderstood.

Also, Mari can probably make better arguments why Mist sucks, she made the active decision to leave, we were just kinda there.
 
Bit off topic:
Did we ever tell Jiraiya about the encounter with the sky squid? Don't want lupchanzen in Leaf's ears when they use the skywalkers.
 
Some suggestion:

"Is it better to be feared than it is to be loved?"

The Mountain Hidden in the Village is also an example of how diplomacy wins over brute strength, even with only partial success not to harm any of the mountain-nin.

Why it isn't a total success? "We aren't strong enough."
 
ContextBot said:
I know that these aren't the finished speeches, but I would leave this part out because:

a) It sounds like we would have gone back to Mist if we had the option (not untrue, but doesn't really endear us to the Clans).

b) Can be used as an argument against us or just simply misunderstood.

Also, Mari can probably make better arguments why Mist sucks, she made the active decision to leave, we were just kinda there.
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This is being done with the team, so if they think it's a bad idea it can be removed. The intent is to show that even in spite of our connections to Mist, we came to Leaf because a village that is foreign to us is lead by people more trustworthy and reasonable and Mist is. Basically, it's "the Mizukage's way of doing things has cost him otherwise loyal people in such a way that has lost him the war".

Kiba said:
Some suggestion:

"Is it better to be feared than it is to be loved?"

The Mountain Hidden in the Village is also an example of how diplomacy wins over brute strength, even with only partial success not to harm any of the mountain-nin.

Why it isn't a total success? "We aren't strong enough."
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This might be a better way to put it. "We couldn't go back to Mist even if we wanted to because the Mizukage rules through fear and oppression." or something along those lines. I'll make an adjustment.


Erwing said:
Bit off topic:
Did we ever tell Jiraiya about the encounter with the sky squid? Don't want lupchanzen in Leaf's ears when they use the skywalkers.
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No, but I mention skysquids in the airship section of the sealing idea list.
 
Ok, since I can't get planbot to work and I don't know where to access counterbot, have a hand tally.

Lore update - 3
a plan - 7
Clear Communication, Reasonable Paranoia - 6

I will note that @Radvic has stated that he's not going to be making updates to "a plan" today, and it has at least one section that's incomplete. Clear Communication, Reasonable Paranoia uses that plan as a base and makes a few changes, notably in how we handle Keiko (I've noted that the block in 'a plan' is poorly worded [communication problems will likely result], and it doesn't really give us a lot of information on Keiko's thoughts) so I suggest people who voted for "a plan" to vote for the new plan and downvote the old one. Or post a new plan.

I'll be out for a bit in a couple hours, but should be back before the deadline.

EDIT - Also, only about 6 hours until the vote closes. If someone wants to post a new plan they should do so soon so it has time to go through review.
 
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Enjou said:
Ask Kei if she'd like our help with directed questions from an external perspective to help investigate her options.
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This seems needlessly complicated and has potential to be interpreted badly. Instead hug her, tell her we'll support her no matter what she wants to do wrt the Nara Clan, and then ask if she wants to talk about the decision.
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Which way is she currently leaning? If she's leaning towards joining the Nara clan, is she learning towards adoption or marriage?
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This seems like a good way to get information regarding the implications of adoption or marriage; there should be a note here, or elsewhere in the plan, for us to ask her, Mari-sensei, or Jiraiya.

Asking Keiko should probably be done anyway because it'll help her organize her thoughts wrt the decision.
Enjou said:
The objective benefits of accepting the proposal are fairly obvious, but how does the notion make her feel and how much is she weighing that in the decision?
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She'll argue that her emotions are irrelevant and that she has to consider the situation objectively, and that she should adopt/marry into the Nara Clan to smooth the team's transition into Leaf yadda yadda yadda.

Which is bullshit, of course, but it's what I'd expect her to say.
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Emphasize how having a dedicated R&D clan will continue to ensure that Leaf stays ahead of the curve, maintaining and securing its position as the strongest hidden village.
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All the clans have their own R&D and Konoha definitely has its own department for the subject. This may come across as snubbing everyone since it suggests that our R&D will be better than yours etc..
Enjou said:
  • Crowd Control: Fill with pepper or other skin irritants.
    • No idea how much you deal with civilians non-lethally, but this will be useful to keep any unruly post-war populations in line without killing them and causing further unrest. Could also disable or distract ninja if used correctly.
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Don't mention civilians specifically. Just talk about how it'd be a useful method of disabling/distracting large groups of ninjas, and suggest it could provide area denial and a way to disperse a crowd.
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  • Poison Bomb: Fill with poison.
    • You've got mednin, researchers, and the Yamanaka. They've got to have poisons that would work well when turned into a mist.
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I don't know if we've ever gotten information proving the Yamanaka Clan are poison users. Yes, I know about the flowers but this seems odd to single them out specifically, instead of (e.g.) the Aburame Clan which uses insects (surely those have poison!). Maybe avoid mentioning the clans specifically, and let Jiraiya point out that the Yamanaka would love to use this.
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Medicinal Use (Non-Combat) : Use to grind and mix medicinal ingredients.
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Add that we've done this before, with the dragonfly powder. Proof-of-concept makes them more valuable here.
Enjou said:
Current timer is 0-5 seconds, which is less than an explosive tag's max timer. Perhaps increase it some to make it more versatile?
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Increase the timer, and try combining with PMYF? I honestly can't remember if we've done that yet.
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Sheeting Yourself : If you're falling and need to slow yourself down, henge into a large thin sheet of cloth. Useful if you're in midair and something unexpected happens.
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Was this retcon'd? @eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail ???
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Little Effort Needed (Disclaimer : Require tiny modifications or improvements to seals we already know. Between days and weeks of research.)

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Some Effort Needed (Disclaimer : Chains of research products, projects probably take weeks to months.)
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Personal opinion says we shouldn't show these things until the war's ended. But that's just me.
Also, we should have a section that discusses how we're going to address our negatives (we're Mist-missing nin, we threatened Kabuto, our existence is an affront to the laws of Leaf...).
 
faflec said:
This seems needlessly complicated and has potential to be interpreted badly. Instead hug her, tell her we'll support her no matter what she wants to do wrt the Nara Clan, and then ask if she wants to talk about the decision.
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I do note that we support her no matter what. I'll change up the section to reverse the order. Certainly no harm in that much. Dunno about the hug - from what I recall she may not like the uninvited physical contact.

This seems like a good way to get information regarding the implications of adoption or marriage; there should be a note here, or elsewhere in the plan, for us to ask her, Mari-sensei, or Jiraiya.

Asking Keiko should probably be done anyway because it'll help her organize her thoughts wrt the decision.
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Adding something for this.

She'll argue that her emotions are irrelevant and that she has to consider the situation objectively, and that she should adopt/marry into the Nara Clan to smooth the team's transition into Leaf yadda yadda yadda.

Which is bullshit, of course, but it's what I'd expect her to say.
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Sure, but it at least shows Hazou cares about it since he's asking. Maybe make a note that the team does care about her being happy. I'll make a note that the team does care about her happiness, so this is relevant.

All the clans have their own R&D and Konoha definitely has its own department for the subject. This may come across as snubbing everyone since it suggests that our R&D will be better than yours etc..
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Point. I'll try rewording this as having more researchers being beneficial.

Don't mention civilians specifically. Just talk about how it'd be a useful method of disabling/distracting large groups of ninjas, and suggest it could provide area denial and a way to disperse a crowd.
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Will do.

I don't know if we've ever gotten information proving the Yamanaka Clan are poison users. Yes, I know about the flowers but this seems odd to single them out specifically, instead of (e.g.) the Aburame Clan which uses insects (surely those have poison!). Maybe avoid mentioning the clans specifically, and let Jiraiya point out that the Yamanaka would love to use this.
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Will reword this accordingly.

Add that we've done this before, with the dragonfly powder. Proof-of-concept makes them more valuable here.
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Will do.

Increase the timer, and try combining with PMYF? I honestly can't remember if we've done that yet.
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We haven't, but given that the PMYF is just a storage seal with a timer on it, upping the timer is basically doing just that.

Was this retcon'd? @eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail ???
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I don't remember. If it has been the GMs will ignore it I imagine, but I'll make a note on it.

Personal opinion says we shouldn't show these things until the war's ended. But that's just me.
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I don't think sharing the ideas with Jiraiya will be problematic.

Also, we should have a section that discusses how we're going to address our negatives (we're Mist-missing nin, we threatened Kabuto, our existence is an affront to the laws of Leaf...).
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I'll add a section to deal with counterarguments to prior problems caused.
 
Enjou said:
Sure, but it at least shows Hazou cares about it since he's asking. Maybe make a note that the team does care about her being happy. I'll make a note that the team does care about her happiness, so this is relevant.
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I mean, our opening with Keiko kinda says this anyway: that we'll support her no matter what and etc. etc..
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I don't think sharing the ideas with Jiraiya will be problematic.
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I was thinking more along the lines of getting ahead ourselves and stop wasting my time kiddo and etc. etc..
EDIT: OH RIGHT WE NEED TO ASK ABOUT JIRAIYA'S GODSON -NARUTO- AND HOW HE'S GOING TO FACTOR IN TO ALL OF THIS.

DO WE GET TO MEET HIM

OUR CUTE LITTLE BABY BROTHER
 
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I was thinking more along the lines of getting ahead ourselves and stop wasting my time kiddo and etc. etc..
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I don't think he'll mind us spitballing ideas. He wants to know what kind of ideas we're generating, after all.

EDIT: OH RIGHT WE NEED TO ASK ABOUT JIRAIYA'S GODSON -NARUTO- AND HOW HE'S GOING TO FACTOR IN TO ALL OF THIS.

DO WE GET TO MEET HIM

OUR CUTE LITTLE BABY BROTHER
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Added a question about this. Also asked about his birthday, because that's important.


Here's the plan after the latest updates:

Enjou said:
[X] Action Plan: Clear Communication, Reasonable Paranoia

Goals:
  • Survive
  • Continue preparation and discussion to deal with Leaf clan politics
Methods:
  1. Ask Jiraiya if he can secure the residence, or at least one room within, against spying (anti-Hyuuga seals, etc) if he hasn't already. You may need to talk about clan secrets in these discussions.
  2. Elaborate more on the most promising inovations and ideas
    1. Invisible Ink Seals: Hazou likely can draw seals out of invisible ink. This may let us keep the advantage of certain seals like skywalkers for a little longer past when enemies capture our seals. Speak of this only if you are in a room secured against spying.
    2. Propulsion Seals: We have some ideas on how to make seals that can be used to propel boats, carts, or airships and to turn cranks. This could be helpful for logistical purpose, civilian transportation, agriculture, and industry
      1. Potential methods for doing this are: Modified Macerators, Force seals, Explosive seals, loops with storage seals releasing and storing weights activated by tripwires
  3. If you can get him to secure your room against spying, tell Jiraiya that the Iron Nerve is Uchiha derived. We don't know if that will be an issue. We've been told that People with activated sharingans will be able to tell by looking at our eyes.
  4. Talk to Keiko. First, reassure her that regardless of whether or not she accepts the Nara clan's proposal that she'll always be a member of the team and that the rest of you will support her. Second, ask if she'd like to have Hazou ask some questions and/or give opinions on things as a way to organize her thoughts and get an outside perspective. If yes:
    1. Which way is she currently leaning? If she's leaning towards joining the Nara clan, is she learning towards adoption or marriage?
      1. If Keiko is considering the marriage option seriously, make a note to ask Jiraiya who the likely candidates are.
      2. What are Keiko's thoughts on the implications of the offer? Do the Naras want a very strong alliance? Make a note to ask Jiraiya as well.
    2. The objective benefits of accepting the proposal are fairly obvious, but how does the notion make her feel and how much is she weighing that in the decision? The team does care about her happiness, so this is not an unimportant consideration to you.
    3. The Nara want some kind of Mori clan secret. Hazou doesn't need to know the details if she does not want to share it with him, but how much does she think doing so with the Nara will actually affect the Mori clan?
      1. Would sharing the secret of the coins likely make the war end faster, and thus likely cause less Moris (and Wakahisas) to die in the war?
        1. Would it also likely make it harder for Mist to take aggressive action after the war, presuming they lose? If yes, that means less chance of Mist entering into a conflict, so less chance of members of her family dying.
      2. Does she think the Naras may try to keep her (and by extension the rest of the team) happy by refraining from using the attained information in ways that would explicitly target Moris (and Wakahisas), focusing on other Mist targets or on disrupting their intel gathering?
      3. Would it be likely that the Mori would believe their secret is compromised once the team's presence in Leaf is made public, and if so would it be difficult for them to change it so her own knowledge becomes out of date?
        1. How likely is it they already made changes given the team became missing-nin, thus making her information already at least somewhat out of date?
      4. If there's anything she wants to ask Hazou his opinion on, she should feel free.
  5. Work with the team to make speech outlines and prepared statements for use when Jiraiya shows us off to people, covering a variety of approaches to deal with different groups. Ensure that different approaches are consistent with one another.
    1. Loyalty and tradition.
      • Emphasize Leaf's ways as positive. Treated the team firmly but fairly, gave reasonable second chances when it made mistakes, treated the team as people and not just tools. Will of Fire shows Leaf is the most trustworthy and honorable village, makes it very attractive to the team.
      • Emphasize how the Mizukage's leadership makes Mist an undesirable place to live. People are tools or traitors with no inbetween, and even honest mistakes can get you disposed of regardless of how loyal you might be. Because of how the Mizukage rules through fear and oppression, the team couldn't go back to Mist even if they wanted to.
    2. Civilian prosperity.
      • Keep idealism to a pragmatic level. You don't want to come off as naive.
      • Use stories from our time as missing-nin meeting and helping civilians, and how ninja can do a lot of good.
      • Emphasize how civilian prosperity will lead to a stronger, more prosperous Fire nation. If Leaf is too strong for the other villages to risk attacking Fire's civilian populations then their only choice is to follow Leaf's example, resulting in a better world all around.
    3. Useful inventions and skills.
      • Continue use of examples of how skytowers and skywalkers give Leaf an edge other villages can't currently counter. (note - be sure those you're talking to are authorized to know about these before mentioning it)
      • Emphasize how having more researchers will continue to ensure that Leaf stays ahead of the curve, maintaining and securing its position as the strongest hidden village.
      • Emphasize how Noburi's bloodline has useful applications for medicine.
    4. Non-Lethal.
      • Be very sure who to target this type of argument towards in order to not be associated with Gai in people's minds.
      • Note how non-lethal methods are less likely to cause hatred - the child of an enemy you kill today will hate you and become an enemy tomorrow. Preventing the perpetuation of the cycle of hatred makes future conflict less likely.
  6. Read Books
  7. Reasonable Paranoia Measures - You should be safe in Leaf given your ANBU guard, but it never hurts to take some basic precautions. If a Mist spy is aware of your presence, it would be best for the team to be prepared.
    1. Every member of the team should keep a PMYF kunai on their person at all times, unless in a situation where they might be asked to disarm for legitimate reasons.
    2. Suggest keeping substitution targets in various spots in your current residence.
    3. Whenever you are moving from one location to another, be sure to maintain awareness of your surroundings.
    4. Quietly suggest to Jiraiya that it may be wise to allow Kagome to put up some reasonable defensive measures in your current residence, if only for Kagome's peace of mind. Jiraiya can define what is reasonable.
    5. Dispel at random times. Been a while since you've done that. Don't want to lose your edge!
    6. Wear skywalkers. Use if needed to dodge a sudden attack, but avoid public use if possible.
  8. Provide Jiraiya a more complete list of our ideas, categorized by how long it will take us to research them.
    • Immediately Viable (Disclaimer: These are ideas which could be implemented immediately or near immediately, and likely make decent bargaining chips)
      1. Macerator Variations (Disclaimer : All of these are just other things we could put into the misterators to get a bevy of other effects.)
        • Smoke Bomb : Fill with ash or talc, mostly annoying.
        • Scent Bomb : Fill with scented oils or other similar materials.
          • Border patrols and other similar groups given these could tag a more powerful enemy and run, allowing more powerful teams with good noses to find them more easily.
        • Crowd Control: Fill with pepper or other skin or eye irritants.
          • Useful for disbanding/disabling groups of ninja.
          • Could provide a good way for temporary area denial with minimal property damage, or for crowd dispersal.
        • Poison Bomb: Fill with poison.
          • You've got mednin, researchers, and probably a good library of poisons. If there are any clans that make regular use of poisons, this may appeal to them.
        • Flashbang : Fill with small amount of soft, white-hot metal.
          • Probably a bit difficult to get right, but it should fill the air with a large pile of glowing dust that is very bright for a tiny moment before it cools off.
          • Non-lethal, though it might cause minor blisters.
        • Medicinal Use (Non-Combat) : Use to grind and mix medicinal ingredients.
          • Good for creating standardized repeatable doses of medicines, as well as generally making them easier to absorb. The team has done this to make some dragonfly powder before.
        • Cooking (Non-Combat): I'm sure the Akimichi will come up with something. Precision grinding of herbs and spices to just the right size?
        • Current timer is 0-5 seconds, which is less than an explosive tag's max timer. Would make it more versatile, usable like the PMYF.
      2. Poor Man's Yellow Flash applications
        • Stick a kawarimi target into the seal, and put the seal on a kunai. Get the target where you need it.
        • Put a huge rock in it, now you have a kunai that turns into a large rock moving very fast. Squish.
          • Same concept, but maybe use net instead to capture or entangle an enemy instead?
        • The Uchiha, with their famed kinesthetic sense, can probably do some very amusing and useful things with this.
        • The Nara might use these to deploy objects shaped to make large shadows, extending their shadow jutsu range in a dynamic fashion. Or they could just carry regular storage seals with objects like this, if they don't already.
        • Try throwing only these and then swap to an explosive kunai when your enemy figures out the pattern.
        • Deploy mannequins as dummy targets.
      3. Sheeting Yourself : If you're falling and need to slow yourself down, henge into a large thin sheet of cloth. Useful if you're in midair and something unexpected happens. (note - this may have been retconned, so if so please ignore)
        • Probably should be part of the Leaf standard doctrine for Skywalker and Skytower use. It should definitely be in the first draft of the doctrine.
      4. Invisible Ink Seals : We can probably make seals off of invisible ink
        1. This would help with opsec for new seals like skywalkers. (again, only list if in a location secured against spying)
    • Little Effort Needed (Disclaimer : Require tiny modifications or improvements to seals we already know. Between days and weeks of research.)
      • Pressure Triggered Seals : Seals that allow triggering of other seals with small carefully applied pressure.
        • Make ones that the Aburame could trigger with their bugs.
        • Make seals that civilians can use.
    • Some Effort Needed (Disclaimer : Chains of research products, projects probably take weeks to months.)
      • Poor Man's Sensor Seals : Provide anyone with shitty chakra sensor powers.
        • We expect that we could make chakra detecting seals that buzz quietly.
        • When worn on a tight belt should give some indication of chakra use and direction in the nearby environment. (Seals closer to the source would buzz more)
        • With 24/7 use, training, and practice, detecting chakra should become second nature.
        • Probably not as good as a normal sensor, and probably issues with sensing at range, but it's a lot better than nothing.
      • Civilian Usable Storage Seals : Lets civilians use them to transfer goods, and generally allows merchants to be more efficient.
        • Storage Seal with tripwire seals on the reverse that trigger storage and release.
        • Civvies get more logistics capability, more trade, cheaper luxuries, bigger goods stockpiles.
        • Might be worth just giving away the design after a war to help counteract the usual post-war economic slump in losing nations.
      • Civilian Usable Macerators : Same as civilian storage, but for macerators that only grind/mix, don't expel with velocity or aerate.
        • Same thing with tripwires, set so that they are only useful for extremely fine grinding and mixing.
        • Probably useful for a lot of things, if we make more powerful macerators first should allow civilians to powder metals and other interesting materials.
        • Likely more efficient extraction of ore from stone, easier and more repeatable experimentation with alloys. Another economic boost, and more metal is probably good all around.
      • Utility Seals, provided Jiraiya doesn't already have something like them.
        • Light generating seals.
          • Get more hours out of the day. Don't need to rely on candles.
          • Sunlight generating variant might work for farms or greenhouses, allowing for higher crop yields.
        • Cooling seals.
          • Make a location cool in the summer.
          • Keep perishable goods preserved without a storage seal.
          • Freeze water to make ice.
        • Heating seals.
          • Flameless cooking. Good when in the field and stealth is needed.
          • Heat water in the home. Could save a lot vs. burning wood.
          • Keep a location warm.
          • Likely useful for airships.
    • Significant Effort Needed (Disclaimers : Requires lots of preliminary research, or requires a more skill than we have right now.)
      • Airships: Either seal based aircraft, or lighter than air craft that only require sealing for construction and not for operation.
        • Likely useful to keep Leaf's superiority after everyone has skywalkers and skytowers.
        • Revolutionize transport of goods and people. No need to deal with chakra beasts on the ground - just need to have a way to deal with any sky squids that show up.
      • Sealing Pantograph: Want to explore methods to maximize the production of seals, start with making multiple duplicates at a time.
      • Propulsion Seals: We have some ideas on how to make seals that can be used to power boats, carts, or airships. Might be useful.
        • Modified Macerators
        • Force seals
        • Explosive seals
        • loops with automated storage seals using gravity for power
  9. Miscellaneous (can be done off screen)
    1. Related to the upcoming Capybara Scroll mission, Hazou notes to Jiraiya that he remembers a strange turn of phrase a Hinago ninja used - "the serpent is in the details". The HInago Medical Facility is where the deal is going down, and the Hydra Medical Foundation is another medical group that is in Tea (where the Capybara scroll presumably disappeared from) that uses a mythical snake in their name and has odd turns of phrase related to that. Two medical groups with some strange snake related themes? Maybe a coincidence, but they could also be code signal phrases, and it could indicate a connection. Ask if Jiraiya managed to investigate the Hydra Foundation, and if there's anything he's able to share about it if he did.
    2. Ask Jiraiya when his birthday is. He says we're a team, and the team takes birthdays seriously.
    3. Ask Jiraiya when we're going to meet his godson.
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@Enjou Oh right, we need to talk about Akane. Ask Jiraiya if anyone will try to manipulate her/use her to control us after word gets out of our coming back. I mean, they know we're Akane's teammate and (girl)friend...
 
faflec said:
@Enjou Oh right, we need to talk about Akane. Ask Jiraiya if anyone will try to manipulate her/use her to control us after word gets out of our coming back. I mean, they know we're Akane's teammate and (girl)friend...
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MadScientist said:
Could we also ask him what he thinks about
  1. Is this Shikaku's final offer, or is there room to negotiate?
  2. What does J think that Shikaku might accept instead, if there is room to negotiate.
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Will add.
 
@Enjou Still think we should ask our guards to get some headache-relieving tea for J. On another note: We should ask him which ANBU agents he would trust with kawarimi permissions. That would be useful in their bodyguarding duties, and is probably the only thing we can reasonably do to prevent assassinations.
 
Cariyaga said:
@Enjou Still think we should ask our guards to get some headache-relieving tea for J. On another note: We should ask him which ANBU agents he would trust with kawarimi permissions. That would be useful in their bodyguarding duties, and is probably the only thing we can reasonably do to prevent assassinations.
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I'd ask Mari-sensei about this first, in case it could offend someone. Being able to Substitute with another person seems a big show of trust IMO.
 
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