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Ok, what are your suggestions?
I'd provide one, but I don't think I've read Enjou's plan.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rational rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
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It's not 'nukes' per se with how heavily implosion seals have been nerfed in the last couple days. Or, at the very least, it's not *neccessarily* nukes. Also, I'm pretty sure we've talked about perpetual motion machines and knock out gas enough that Hazou's thought about them. Like, the idea isn't for Hazou to describe everything he knows about how to make one, because he hasn't yet. But they are things he's considered that he expects to develop soonish (e.g. next month or two), hence might be relevant to politiking.
We address a few different things. @Radvic's plan doesn't include any strategies specific to any clans, and also doesn't address our black marks that will inevitably be used against us. And the sealing portion of his strategy section doesn't seem to include the PMYF, which seems like an easy thing to bring up to Jiraiya.
I was under the impression that we already sold all our unique seals to Jiraiya, but I may be wrong.
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First bullet point.
Nope. Just misterators and 5SB.
Can we get a counterbot here? I supposed it's time for me to download @eaglejarl 's software and give a spin. Because come tomorrow, our vote are going to be locked in.
Was looking in the strategy section under point 5 - missed point 1 in that regard. Having the sealing stuff in two places seems redundant.
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Gonna be honest: didn't read point 5 in the strategy section.
Err... point 5 is the strategy section. It's the fifth thing you list. I guess it's point 5.2 I was talkinga bout. Anyways, I suggest you read it if you're going to have it in your plan. It's reckless to just shove things into a plan without doing that, ya know.
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It's not perfect but should be starting points.
Honestly, though, I feel a Lore Update vote isn't a bad idea. Without the additional information about the clans we really are working off of too little, even if Jiraiya and Mari-sensei are already doing a lot of the work here.
[X] Lore Update
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[X] Lore Update
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Please please please.
Just show us Agent Black telling Inoichi, and Wolf telling their clan head, and whatever shadowing Hyuuga was hidden on the rooftops tell Hiashi.
Please.
Please please please.
Just show us Agent Black telling Inoichi, and Wolf telling their clan head, and whatever shadowing Hyuuga was hidden on the rooftops tell Hiashi.
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@Enjou, Maybe you should add that Hazou explains about the Sharingan in a secure place that is shielded? Also explaining the actual abilities that the Iron Nerve gives to Jiriya maybe something that should be done ,if Mari thinks that should happen now rather than after Clan status is achieved.
The whole give up descendants if they have the Sharingan seems like a bad Idea to be honest. Uchiha must have married outside of the Clan in the history of Konoha.
a) We should figure out what happens when they developed the Sharingan or what would have happened normally.
b) Seems just bad, Hazou try's to move heaven and earth for his mother, but gives his children away? No.
c) We should just wait and see what Jiraiya thinks about this and don't make any weird Plans around this, just telling him and waiting what he thinks isn't a bad decision itself.
[X] Lore Update
The whole give up descendants if they have the Sharingan seems like a bad Idea to be honest. Uchiha must have married outside of the Clan in the history of Konoha.
a) We should figure out what happens when they developed the Sharingan or what would have happened normally.
b) Seems just bad, Hazou try's to move heaven and earth for his mother, but gives his children away? No.
c) We should just wait and see what Jiraiya thinks about this and don't make any weird Plans around this, just telling him and waiting what he thinks isn't a bad decision itself.
[X] Lore Update
Cariyaga
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I'm... more than a little uncomfortable with how much the plans leave to the QMs.
For instance, in @Radvic's plan:
Even my preferred plan, @Enjou's, falls into the same trap:
So, I cannot in good conscience vote for them. [X] Lore Update
e: On that note, though, there is a... relatively dangerous, politically, way we could get the Yamanaka on board: Call on Ino as a character witness. She was there for and impressed by Hazou's speech to Jiraiya.
Additionally, I think it's a mistake for Hazou to be completely silent in the context of the discussion with the clans. Sure, leave most things to Mari and Jiraiya, but when given the chance to, he can be damned convincing.
He speaks from the heart, and that more than anything might be what convinces the Aburame that the team is being genuine. Sure, they won't go for his naive idealistic thing like J (to some extent) or the team has, but he has great charisma, he just has a habit of sticking his foot in his mouth. So, clear the speech with J and Mari first.
For instance, in @Radvic's plan:
We should not leave this to the QMs; we're perfectly capable of making a CBA and we should.
What is this? Like, yeah, it can be extrapolated from the past, but do we really want to make Velorien do that?
Even my preferred plan, @Enjou's, falls into the same trap:
So, I cannot in good conscience vote for them. [X] Lore Update
e: On that note, though, there is a... relatively dangerous, politically, way we could get the Yamanaka on board: Call on Ino as a character witness. She was there for and impressed by Hazou's speech to Jiraiya.
Additionally, I think it's a mistake for Hazou to be completely silent in the context of the discussion with the clans. Sure, leave most things to Mari and Jiraiya, but when given the chance to, he can be damned convincing.
He speaks from the heart, and that more than anything might be what convinces the Aburame that the team is being genuine. Sure, they won't go for his naive idealistic thing like J (to some extent) or the team has, but he has great charisma, he just has a habit of sticking his foot in his mouth. So, clear the speech with J and Mari first.
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Here's the thing - if that happened, then there'd be a lot of Sharingan users in Konoha who aren't members of the Uchiha clan, barring some method of sealing away an Uchiha's ability to pass on their bloodline to their children.
I'm not sure how getting Keiko to do something that is entirely in her wheelhouse is a trap. I mean, this is literally the kind of thing her bloodline is useful for. Do you really think that Keiko's bloodline is just going to suddenly stop working, or that her general skills in this regard would stop working? A real cost-benefit analysis on this is likely to be a multi-page document, so it wouldn't fit in a plan anyways.
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I apologize for my bluntness here, but I think you're missing the point. It's not that Keiko would be unwilling or unable to perform it, but that the QMs only have so many spoons, and leaving sizable portions of the plan (which this, by your words, is) to them consumes those.
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I think you want to put the vote on its own line if you want it to count.
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It seems really unlikely in a rational universe for even Jiraiya's low-level operatives to treasonously disclose information - covertly or not - to their clan heads, much less his personal agents. Especially when Jiraiya explicitly said his priority was keeping the party's presence a secret... but even if he hadn't, any direct report of the spymaster's with lips that loose would swiftly be terminated, and not in the sense that they'd lose their jobs.
Even in the real world where one's superiors do not have superhuman powers of perception and judgement, many people with security clearances do abide by them even in the face of questioning from family and friends. If Yagura tells his personal Kurosawa agent some classified info, even something potentially dangerous to Kurosawa interests, does anything seriously think the agent is going to breathe a word of it to his clan without the Mizukage's express permission?
There has been some mixed messages as far as QM feedback for plans. On one hand, plans are too long. On the other hand, shorter plans leave too much decision-making up to the QMs. From a player perspective, spelling out specific courses of action has lead to disaster - "if you put words in his mouth Hazou will say them" and all that, yet excessively vague plans are just asking for trouble.
It's impossible to have specific courses of action under such constraints without a host of qualifying statements attached to each course of action, but that essentially guarantees interminable plan length. Long plans are also bad for a number of accessibility reasons - too long for prospective voters to read, high barrier to entry for planmakers, easy for one sentence to go un-error-checked and blow up the whole update, etc. To say nothing of how much work it is to write an update that fairly addresses all elements of such a sprawling strategy.
Ok? But based on the infodump and the whole Nara responding well to a good cost-benefit analysis thing, it seems like a pretty obvious clue to have Keiko do it. It's not like they have to write a whole multi-page document and then present it to us in the update, but rather they could do something like write a paragraph that explains a few things she's telling them among other things, or have her hand them a ludicrously tall stack of papers to read through, or any number of things.
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I think the distinction is that the plan's don't assume one would actually be put on paper? Its her bloodline being rolled the same as Noburi's is used in combat. If we can't actually assign plan-assessment to Keiko because thats us offloading the work, why does she have points spent into it? Seems like we haven't really seen it getting used as much lately anyway, possibly pre-snow or worse.
When should her bloodline get used exactly?