Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
When I wrote that silly snip about Crazy Alternate Universe Sabrina being Feathers, I didn't even think before I felt she should have a necklace of Gems/Seeds from all the meguca.
I guess I wasn't wrong.
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I guess I wasn't wrong.
Well, no comments on the thoughts I put up earlier, so meh. Will just build the whole thing as a vote.
[x] Meta: Adjust speech as needed. Answer standard questions.
[x] Do a quick scan of the room (books on shelves, decorations, etc), but do not poke into her papers or personal effects.
[x] "I don't sense the grief seed I gave her."
[x] To Mami & Homura: "What do you think? In timestop or not? I'd prefer not, but her mother is in the other room..."
-[x] If split, go with non-timestop.
[x] "Hi, Ono! Just got here. We need to talk."
[x] Warn her against making too much noise, since her mother is in the next room.
[x] If she panics, stay serious to continue the talk. If she starts a fight, have Mami subdue her. If she tries to ignore us, continue the talk seriously, but try to draw her out.
[x] Find a place to sit. Accept Mami-cushions, but no grief chairs. Sitting on the floor is fine.
[x] "So, the schoolwork is getting to you?" Gesture at the papers she's holding.
-[x] Assure her we did not look at the papers
--[x] If verbally accused of such (ie: confirmation that the guess was correct): "Just putting a bunch of things together. Mami told me there was a bit of a competition between Mitakihara and Yokosuka. Saw the school on the way over; has the same overly-ostentatious architecture as Mitakihara. Easy to guess that they're always trying to one-up each other. I've also helped Mami with her schoolwork, so I'm well aware of how hard they're pushing on the scholastic side, too. With that much pressure to succeed, well... It'd get pretty rough if you're not always at the top."
[x] "But the real problem here is the grief you've been accumulating."
[x] "I don't sense the grief seed I gave you yesterday, which means you've had to use it a couple of times, and probably gave it to Kyuubey."
[x] "And your soul gem is already about a quarter full, again."
[x] "The average magical girl uses about 1 grief seed per week, give or take. Someone with high efficiency skills can stretch it out to one seed every couple weeks."
[x] "You're going through about one seed per day. That's not sustainable."
[x] "There are a lot of reasons for accumulating grief far faster than normal. I'd only be guessing if I were to try to figure this out myself."
[x] "No matter what the problem is, though, I want to help you fix it. So we're going to stay here and talk about it til we can work something out."
-[x] "And if you say, "You can't fix my problem.", then you just don't know how persistent I can be about these things."
-[x] "However... Maybe I should let Mami do most the talking, so I don't put my foot in my mouth too much."
A part of me wants one of the roots of the problem to be "money". Then Sabrina can share a glance with Homura, and summon the piggy bank we just looted. But that would just be for personal amusement.
[x] Meta: Adjust speech as needed. Answer standard questions.
[x] Do a quick scan of the room (books on shelves, decorations, etc), but do not poke into her papers or personal effects.
[x] "I don't sense the grief seed I gave her."
[x] To Mami & Homura: "What do you think? In timestop or not? I'd prefer not, but her mother is in the other room..."
-[x] If split, go with non-timestop.
[x] "Hi, Ono! Just got here. We need to talk."
[x] Warn her against making too much noise, since her mother is in the next room.
[x] If she panics, stay serious to continue the talk. If she starts a fight, have Mami subdue her. If she tries to ignore us, continue the talk seriously, but try to draw her out.
[x] Find a place to sit. Accept Mami-cushions, but no grief chairs. Sitting on the floor is fine.
[x] "So, the schoolwork is getting to you?" Gesture at the papers she's holding.
-[x] Assure her we did not look at the papers
--[x] If verbally accused of such (ie: confirmation that the guess was correct): "Just putting a bunch of things together. Mami told me there was a bit of a competition between Mitakihara and Yokosuka. Saw the school on the way over; has the same overly-ostentatious architecture as Mitakihara. Easy to guess that they're always trying to one-up each other. I've also helped Mami with her schoolwork, so I'm well aware of how hard they're pushing on the scholastic side, too. With that much pressure to succeed, well... It'd get pretty rough if you're not always at the top."
[x] "But the real problem here is the grief you've been accumulating."
[x] "I don't sense the grief seed I gave you yesterday, which means you've had to use it a couple of times, and probably gave it to Kyuubey."
[x] "And your soul gem is already about a quarter full, again."
[x] "The average magical girl uses about 1 grief seed per week, give or take. Someone with high efficiency skills can stretch it out to one seed every couple weeks."
[x] "You're going through about one seed per day. That's not sustainable."
[x] "There are a lot of reasons for accumulating grief far faster than normal. I'd only be guessing if I were to try to figure this out myself."
[x] "No matter what the problem is, though, I want to help you fix it. So we're going to stay here and talk about it til we can work something out."
-[x] "And if you say, "You can't fix my problem.", then you just don't know how persistent I can be about these things."
-[x] "However... Maybe I should let Mami do most the talking, so I don't put my foot in my mouth too much."
A part of me wants one of the roots of the problem to be "money". Then Sabrina can share a glance with Homura, and summon the piggy bank we just looted. But that would just be for personal amusement.
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We, uh, don't actually know that; one of the leading explanations for her behavior was that she has wish-related brain damage.Akiko isn't brain damaged, she's just insane.
Admittedly, the difference between 'wish-related brain damage' and 'wish-related insanity' is small-to-nonexistant.
Decorations? Trophies? Pictures?
If (oh, who am I kidding?) when Sabrina keeps pushing, Megane's facade is going to break. And that facade is probably the biggest thing keeping her together right now; I'm less leaning now towards involuntary power usage and more towards trying to use her power to convince herself that she's holding up. That implies with the power gone/broken her self control won't be able to handle the feels, so I'd expect her to try to keep the frosty but flip out in some flavor once her fake face goes down.
There's a suggestion or two in the text that Megane buys into the Mitakihara/Yokosuka rivalry. I get the impression that on the Yokosuka side they feel that they're just as good as Mitakihara - no, better even! - but that they don't get the respect they believe they're owed. Having Mami dismiss the rivalry isn't likely to help, either, because dammit Yokosuka is worthy of being their rival.
Oh, and a vote:
[X] Onmur
What I meant was that they would be restrained in controlled circumstances. Which, you know, between ribbons and grief bindings, is something our party can manage twice over.
For that matter, I'm going to say that even if a new meguca doesn't have a friendly griefbender like Sabrina, but does have allies who know the risks of a corrupted gem and powesets that can securely restrain a magical girl, feeling what their gem is like at 95% corruption should still be part of their basic orientation. Just tie 'em up and tell them to burn magic until they're at a dangerous point, then their friends cleanse them. Just imagine if Sayaka "I don't need no steenking grief seeds" Miki had known from firsthand experience, at the start of her canon meguca career, exactly how it felt to be almost completely corrupted, and then had her gem cleared so she could reflect on that with a clear head. She wouldn't have been nearly so eager to run herself into the ground. There are, of course, some girls whose powersets are so destructive that this wouldn't work even with heavy bindings, like Miss Ramiel back from the meguca war, but someone like Sayaka who has melee combat and defensive magic would be perfect for it.
You can't be an athlete without knowing what an injury feels like and the limits of your endurance, and there are plenty of parents who want their teens to have one beer and one cigarette just to know what it feels like. Likewise, whenever practical, a new magical girl should know what a corrupted gem feels like.
"This is your soul gem. This is your soul gem on grief.
Any questions?"
Edit: Removed poorly thought out bitchiness.
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- East of the Sun and West of the Moon
We should start incessantly annoying her with puns until she leaves, just to shut us up . Maybe even about her name. That would make her come rushing out for sure.
Oh look, a hint at what Dedolere's like.
I'm pretty sure Sayaka would have run herself into the ground the same damn way, because Noble Sacrifice!™ If she's going through a self-destructive downward spiral anyway, why should she care that it's not gonna feel good?
Alternatively, we could minimize the amount of trauma in a meguca's life.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Ouch...
Sabrina: *Recording video with her cellphone* "Hello everybody, I'm Sabrina!"
Ono: *Jumps in place*
Sabrina: *Elbows Mami*
Mami: "Ah... Hello everybody! My name is Mami!"
Ono: "You again..."
Homura: "..."
Sabrina: "The mysterious beauty over there is none other that our dear Homura-chan!"
Ono: *Seething* *Papers crumble in her fists*
Sabrina: "This..." *Grabs Ono by her ring hand* "Is Ono!"
Ono: "What do you think you're-"
Sabrina: *Brings a torrent of marbles to hover near Ono's Soul Gem ring* "And welcome to Jackass!"
Well, first of all dropping out of timestop with her mother in the other room sounds like a terrible idea. Also, the school work thing kind feels like it came out of nowhere and isn't all that relevant right now. The primary concern in her soul gem. And Megane is probably going to be incredibly upset and freaked out about us suddenly appearing, so maybe we should figure out some way to calm her down. I wouldn't know how to do that, though
All of my nope.
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If we're going to talk to Ono, we should cleanse her gem before we do so. We can't just ask for permission like we normally would because she already told us not to. But that 25% corruption is probably affecting her thoughts and we need her to be thinking clearly right now.
We should be able to re-check Homura's notes right now because we read them once already:
@Firnagzen: Did Homura's witch journal mention anything else about the glass Witch?
Because she'd have it in her head beforehand that letting her gem fill up isn't some noble bullshit, it's all but literally sticking her head in a blender? By the time she was deep in her grief spiral, her thinking was too impaired to make any sort of healthy decision. When she started out as a meguca, she wasn't aiming to get herself killed, she was trying to do good. If she had known that trying to be completely selfless would just fuck her over and destroy everything she was trying to stand for, then she wouldn't have insisted on getting herself killed in the first place.
Yeah, because letting them blunder around in the ignorant dark in a room full of broken glass is really going to help reduce their trauma. As opposed to, you know, teaching them how and why to take care of themselves.
I saw the last twenty minutes of rebellion.
Starting to see where devil tire Deculture saw Noir Quest. That was twelve ounces of trauma in a single shot glass.
Homura weyyyyy!
Starting to see where devil tire Deculture saw Noir Quest. That was twelve ounces of trauma in a single shot glass.
Homura weyyyyy!
Fun fact: Noir Quest started in June 2012. Rebellion came out October 2013, almost a year and a half later.
I'm guessing there was much back slapping and head nodding that took place? Cause when I saw that scene of Homura monolouging in the rain after the Sayaka talk, I thought to myself "Yep, that's where he got it from"
And then Homura was wearing a dress and sensuously holding hands and I went, "Aaand there's the rest of it..."
So,uh, I think I get the gist of the ending but could somebody lay it out in bullet points? I am...confused yet satisfied by the mangy shivering Incubator at the end.
Dirtnap
Kanmusu Affecionado
Homura transcends and becomes the Devil to Madokami's God. Except she's the Devil of Love. AI YO. It's not despair that breaks her gem and reforms it. It's love, pretty much the Yandere kind.
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So, fatal? Like she knew it was?
How does filling her soul gem to 95% teach her that trying to be selfless destroys what she's trying to stand for? How does it teach her anything except that being at 95% Grief feels awful?
How do you expect this specific form suffering to make them wise? Standard meguca understanding, as far as I'm aware, is that going to full Grief kills you. How many megucas do you expect are gonna go "I was fine with dancing near the edge of death before, but now that I know I'm gonna feel really shitty shortly before I die, I'm gonna embrace prudence"? How many, to make up for all the ones who are suffering unnecessarily because the threat of death was plenty incentive to keep their Grief at a reasonable level?
Mangy shivering Incubator comes from Homura enslaving them to make them deal with all that curse stuff that normally turn into demons and get wrecked by meguca, as far as I recall. Any other specifics confuse you?
So Homu sealed all of Madoka's divine power in a nice Chess Piece, leaving a sliver to be her waifu?
And Incubators absorb all the negative energy from soul Gems?
Are there...any downsides to this? Besides being morally horrible to do to a person?
And Incubators absorb all the negative energy from soul Gems?
Are there...any downsides to this? Besides being morally horrible to do to a person?
Kyrina
A Simple Merchant of Mirrors
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- England
Of course not!
It's risky, but not terrible. The mom's partially drunk, watching TV, and Ono's room is locked. As long as Ono doesn't start yelling, there's very little chance of being discovered, and even if she does get curious, the locked door prevents her from entering without warning. In fact, the fact that we're not in timestop means Ono herself will need to hold a bit more control over her emotions if she doesn't want to be discovered.
Dragging her into timestop is also not the best idea. And the plan that's going to be knocking on the window is obviously not going to be in timestop, either.
Basically, there's negatives to both approaches. I think the non-timestop approach is somewhat better, but, I also ask Mami and Homura for their opinions, and will go with their opinion if they both agree.
So, objection insufficiently detailed to be considered valid.
The schoolwork is based on my evaluation of the situation earlier. I didn't bother repeating the justifications in the post with the plan.
The relevance depends on whether it's part of the core problem, and the approach to the issue depends on whether Ono acknowledges it or not. If we guessed wrong, then the larger part of that is just skipped, so the objection doesn't hold much weight.
It shouldn't be. The primary concern is the rate at which she is accumulating grief, and the reasons behind that problem. We can clear the soul gem's current grief at any time; it needs to be done, but is a very secondary concern relative to the cause of needing to cleanse it in the first place.
Somewhat valid. I pretty much left that unspecified.
Should probably point out that her mother is in the next room, so she shouldn't make too much noise. Panicked objections can be shut down by simply going to Serious Mode: We Need to Talk. Arrogant refusal can be worked around by simply continuing the discussion. Attacks can be dealt with via ribbons.
I'll add in a couple notes for this.
Using parents as a bargaining chip seems kinda scummy
AuraTwilight
The Sorcerer of Smiles
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- The Silver City
The majority of the Law of Cycles is locked outside of the universe, broken and dysfunctional.
The Wraith/Grief/Magical Girl system seems to work pretty much the same, Kyubey's just tortured because fuck him I guess. Who knows what happens to corrupted Soul Gems now.
Whatever Homura did, it makes the world 'half-whole' and subtly wrong. There's Familiars running around all over the place and no one cares. People are mindraped and having their sense of agency denied to them. It's a pretty fake dollhouse.
So it's repeating the first half of the movie, only on a cosmic scale now? What's the chess piece she swallows?
That was her own soul gem, I believe.
... ?
Did I miss where we took her parents hostage? Are we threatening to kill them if she doesn't cooperate? Just how, exactly, are her parents being used as a bargaining chip? That's a rather gross misrepresentation of what I said (assuming you're referring to my post, since it immediately preceded yours, and I don't see any other recent posts dealing with parents).
[X] Tell Mami and Homura that she doesn't have the grief seed you gave her.
[X] Take a brief look around. Look for things that would give a better insight into her. Check for any other papers and notes. We should make sure to leave everything exactly as it was, though.
[X] Close and lock all the doors that were locked. Use magic and ask for help if necessary. Exit the apartment. Get up to the window of her room on top of the grief carpet.
[X] Ask your friends to chime into the conversation if things start getting ugly. She'll likely be incredibly upset.
-[X] Ask Homura to turn off timestop.
[X] Tap on the window to get her attention. Telepath and greet her. Be firm and resolved. Don't give her any reason to doubt your words. In case there is no window, make it clear that you are right outside.
-[X] Remind her that like you said before, this is rather important. So you will meet with her now. Make it abundantly clear that you aren't leaving until we talk, especially since she doesn't have any grief seeds. It isn't safe to not have one.
-[X] Now will she come out or invite you in, or should you just start knocking on front door and speak with whoever you to need to in order to talk with her? Giver her a bit to decide, but one way or another, you're seeing her now.
Now that I've made up my vote, I'm suddenly finding this to be a little concerning.
[X] Take a brief look around. Look for things that would give a better insight into her. Check for any other papers and notes. We should make sure to leave everything exactly as it was, though.
[X] Close and lock all the doors that were locked. Use magic and ask for help if necessary. Exit the apartment. Get up to the window of her room on top of the grief carpet.
[X] Ask your friends to chime into the conversation if things start getting ugly. She'll likely be incredibly upset.
-[X] Ask Homura to turn off timestop.
[X] Tap on the window to get her attention. Telepath and greet her. Be firm and resolved. Don't give her any reason to doubt your words. In case there is no window, make it clear that you are right outside.
-[X] Remind her that like you said before, this is rather important. So you will meet with her now. Make it abundantly clear that you aren't leaving until we talk, especially since she doesn't have any grief seeds. It isn't safe to not have one.
-[X] Now will she come out or invite you in, or should you just start knocking on front door and speak with whoever you to need to in order to talk with her? Giver her a bit to decide, but one way or another, you're seeing her now.
Now that I've made up my vote, I'm suddenly finding this to be a little concerning.
Wait, no. I mistook the suggestion for a threat of, "Wouldn't want mom to hear us" instead of "Let's not wake up your mom"