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Hmm he didn't teach Yuno? Interesting, I wonder who she learned from then
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rational rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
Why do Paper updates always go so HARD??? Goddamn I'm getting fired UP.
Takeaway here is that Kagome is Alt capstone??!!!!??
Or maybe just that Yuno's Severe (I assume) is affecting her initiative.
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Makes since, considering how jumpy he is. He might even have a TYS bonus to Alertness...
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Another build prediction of mine in the bag ggez
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Honestly, either Alt or Trapmaking is my guess.
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kagome
In case anyone is curious (build guesses are mostly just for fun)
Jacked up Alertness even more since I estimate Yuno to have ~50 Alertness herself
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Current Iron Earth seems inadequate to the task of defending against burrowers, but perhaps an upgraded version could exhibit Force Dome-esque levels of resilience? If so, then the combination of Iron Earth and Force Dome (or even a smaller, longer-lasting Force Sphere Rune) could suffice to deny access to the Rift for so long as the Force effect persists, especially with layered Spheres. Akatsuki surely has greater offensive power than Hazou + team can manage, but it's probably not completely implausible that they lack an effect that directly breaches Force Domes, if the best efforts of Team Uplift achieved no damage whatsoever.
TN 100 explosive runes, Kagome's dirtiest tricks, etc... nothing sufficed to so much as scratch them. One benefit of dropping them off with Orochimaru is that we could ask him (and by extension, greater Leaf) to durability-test as well. If Naruto can't hurt the thing with a Bijudama Rasengan then it might be axiomatically invulnerable.
EDIT: Could we make much larger and more durable, arbitrarily placed skytowers by turning Force Domes upside-down? Skytowers could go from small temporary installations to major strategic redoubts. This would also allow you to enclose a sphere via two Force Domes, with some research (Force Dome w/ Holes, Selectively Permeable Force Dome) making an extremely durable weapons platform.
TN 100 explosive runes, Kagome's dirtiest tricks, etc... nothing sufficed to so much as scratch them. One benefit of dropping them off with Orochimaru is that we could ask him (and by extension, greater Leaf) to durability-test as well. If Naruto can't hurt the thing with a Bijudama Rasengan then it might be axiomatically invulnerable.
EDIT: Could we make much larger and more durable, arbitrarily placed skytowers by turning Force Domes upside-down? Skytowers could go from small temporary installations to major strategic redoubts. This would also allow you to enclose a sphere via two Force Domes, with some research (Force Dome w/ Holes, Selectively Permeable Force Dome) making an extremely durable weapons platform.
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Ouch. The MfDverse is crazy sometimes.
What. That's insane.
I honestly thought we'd die at this point. I'm glad we survived that one.
Whaat? We're really going to be pushing up against the time limit at the rate we're going now.
Mangekyou Sharingan would like a word. In fairness though, SC is probably the most broken jutsu.
Heh. The Hashimoto vibes are strong here.
Now all we have to do is set up Runic Air Domes around our skytowers.
I disagree, we already know of methods Akatsuki has that bypass Force Dome, and we have good reason to guess they have more.
Itachi alone has demonstrated at least two effects that bypass it (teleportation and Ameterasu)
Kisami's sword may be able to devour the chakra construct.
Konan and Sasori are mature S-rank sealmasters, and presumably have a *wide* range of esoteric effects to draw on.
Maybe we'll get lucky and just face off with Hidan and Deidara at first, but force dome is not unbreachable. Hazoupilot and Mari independently say as much in the latest chapter.
Seems like a great time, given that we're nearby-ish, about to move, need a safe space to use TR140s, and need chakra.
Especially if a likely outcome of not talking now is trekking away to Fang, de-facto scrapping the plan for the near future.
I'd like this to get asked now, or for you to explain more about why you think it's a bad time. Or both.
Or just pick southern wind as our next campsite if you are firm that this can't be asked now.
Sure, I'll have a go.
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Did he actually demonstrate teleporting yet? I think we're just speculating he got that from Conjura right? As for Amaterasu, it targets anything he can see... he can't see the force dome.
Also like, it would be pretty good to force him to use his Mangekyo abilities and blind himself more
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Honestly, I'm not too concerned. The current mechanics for Iron Earth seem very tenantive, and more likely to change than not. If the finalized mechanics aren't up to par, then we can research a 2.0 version, leveraging the increased stats and increased veterancy we'll have gained since then.
It's annoying to fit in the WC.
You aren't voting for my plan, and so your requests are a low priority.
No other member of the the thread has expressed interest in this.
None of the party knows how to sail, so your base idea isn't viable.
I personally am not interested.
If we end up in a position to capitalize on it we can easily ask then.
He watched Conjura repeatedly teleport, with the Sharingan active, after acknowledging that this would let him steal the Jutsu, and negotiating and with Conjura in advance to pay her handsomely as compensation for the Jutsu theft.
So I'm pretty sure he knows it
Nah, I'm expecting the can Ameterasu us through the transparent dome. But if he wanted to attack the dome, he could just light a stick on fire and poke the dome. We're seen Amaterasu spread, especially to things with chakra.
While I would like to give him eyestrain, he spent more than a decade useing it fairly casually(tried to cook dinner with it, burned an already-dead snake corpse with it, etc), so I wouldn't expect a mere dozen activations to have a huge effect.
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Now that Force Dome is complete, can we prep the Contracting Force Dome? The complexity should be rather low, so it would be a quicker than normal project if the TN is in the possible range.
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Even if this does work (which I'm skeptical because it's going against another S-rank trick) it burns a ton of Itachi's chakra which in itself is a huge win in any confrontation
Three pushed him to his limit in the fight with the Dragons. It seems to have separate short term and long term limits. Also, acknowledging the likelihood of him targeting through a transparent dome, Amaterasu has finite range that the QMs have given PONWOG on discord as a few Zones. He probably can't reach us unless we stand close to the edge of the dome. For the dome itself, Amaterasu has never explicitly demonstrated doing esoteric types of damage over just being really hot and burny and the force dome/walls are invulnerable to everything tried thus far. I think we have reason to consider force domes a good defense against Amaterasu.
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You said he's demonstrated the ability, but he hasn't. It's worth considering certainly, but it's not a known ability of his. On the other hand, teleporting into Leaf without backup is a pretty dumb idea.He watched Conjura repeatedly teleport, with the Sharingan active, after acknowledging that this would let him steal the Jutsu, and negotiating and with Conjura in advance to pay her handsomely as compensation for the Jutsu theft.
So I'm pretty sure he knows it
We've been given a PONWOG range of 1 zone, so I'm skeptical he could reach unless we were standing by the dome. Seems better to genjutsu through the dome instead (range of 2+)
I'm not sure it's so trivial. It can literally burn virtually anything. If it can spread trivially then I'd expect it to spread every time it's used but it pretty much stays on its target. Amaterasu didn't envelop the entire battlefield when he used it on the slime dragon for example, even though normal fire did the same to the Cat territory.
...he used it like 3 times at the dragon battle and his eyes were literally bleeding...? That seems like a pretty good debuff to him if Akatsuki is attacking IMO. We can have multiple domes up too so if he has to continuously Amaterasu, it's not sustainable.
Fair, but it's one line. Would you like WC help?
Ok, this comes up a lot for us.
An idea's merit is fundamentally unrelated to the voting record of the person who said it.
Dismissing ideas unless people vote for you isn't in keeping with the intellectual honesty that I generally appreciate about this community, it moves away from the good-faith collaborative intellectualism that let's good ideas be heard and into... internal political competition.
Please don't do that.
Also, some people, myself included, wait to see how the plans shake out before they vote. For example, bringing up the pirate idea makes a big deal to whether I vote for this plan. Demanding I vote for it first and then hope it shapes up later is pretty backward.
Most of us are from hidden mist. While none are sailors by trade, they've also demonstrated enough skill to bumble through operating a boat.
Do you mind me asking why not?
Do you think the benefits aren't interesting? Do you think it has an extremely low chance to work?(why?) Are you hardline against using sea-bandits for chakra?
We are in a position to capitalise on it right now. Let's ask now.
Or at minimum, go to southwest Wind while we wait for a change to ask, instead of departing for Fang.
I'm voting for your plan and would like to express interest in this. Here's a WC-optimized version of your plan with that chunk in it (WC includes the Duration line to be on the safe side, though I'm not sure if that's meant to count):
[] Action Plan: The (Sand)worm's Turn
Word Count: 295
Duration: Until we reach our next destination (Until then/1.4 solar)
- All Uplift
- We are closing in on Hazou's most pessimistic timeline for Akatsuki opening the Rift (3 months objective)
- Kei - probability distribution for time remaining?
- Discuss contacting Orochimaru via dead drop on the Seventh Path to set up a future signal for "return to Leaf immediately".
- This contradicts Naruto's orders, but what he doesn't know he can't leak to Itachi.
- Orochimaru is unlikely to be compromised by Akatsuki.
- Orochimaru might try to harm Hazou through the dead drop.
- Logistical workarounds necessary, since Arachnids swore not to pass messages to Hazou/Kagome - but doable with some creative interpretation.
- E.g. have an oathsworn Arachnid get an Arachnid not oathsworn to pass the messages once.
- If the team approves, compose a suitable dead-drop and leave it for Orochimaru.
- Suggest including, and if approved include, research notes for Force Domes as payment/additional defenses for Leaf.
- Beast defense in the deep desert is too dangerous, time to move.
- Hazou favors Fang or the southwestern coast of Wind. Any other suggestions?
- Kei, how feasible would it be to capture a pirate ship and use that?
- Mobile base, difficult to find, pirates as chakra sources.
- Does anyone know how to sail?
- We are closing in on Hazou's most pessimistic timeline for Akatsuki opening the Rift (3 months objective)
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- Your leadership skills are getting rusty.
- Is there anything you could do to practice leadership with your assigned Pangolin team?
- Alternatively, could you practice by contracting some jounin Pangolins?
- Take as much time on the Seventh Path as you need.
- Research
- DoB tracks: Remote Explosive, Landmine, Storm Rune, Air Leadening
- Move to the next if harder than Easy
- Non-DoB: ELF Explosives
- Prep Days: Null Rift, Microrift Rift-Maker, Pathbound Rift-Maker
- DoB tracks: Remote Explosive, Landmine, Storm Rune, Air Leadening
- Head for the agreed destination after ELF Explosives finish
- Use ELFE on the TR for the camp.
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PONWOG off the cuff was that Amaterasu works like stereotypical heat vision laser eyes in that it would be blocked by something in the way of the caster and the target. If the Force Domes themselves can withstand it, then it would follow that anything on the interior would be safe IMO.
EDIT: Ah nope, I misremembered. Slightly different wording but the conclusion remains the same I think when combined with what Shrooms was saying.
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This is quite literally completely wrong. Mari wrecked our boat to get to Snow or something. It is completely unworkable. Come up with something else.
See my above response why the answer is no
[x] Noburi Training Plan: Removing the Weights on Better Buffs
Might want to wait to spend notes to delay stagnations. Bank XP until we can do TH 30 to 40 and first levels of Minato Sealing at once.
Is this right? TH is double cost.
Might want to wait to spend notes to delay stagnations. Bank XP until we can do TH 30 to 40 and first levels of Minato Sealing at once.
What are skyslicers made of? Ninja wire? We should update the design to be paired so one skyslicer protects the support seals of the other. Seals can be completely enclosed if activated with MARS. And we can do underground skyslicers if we ES the dirt away to set them up then fill it back in.
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Everyone needs a special research interest, who wants to take up boating? And eventually we can integrate it into boatsealing
I don't think researching on a boat is a good idea though, it's like the epitome of a bumpy ride, gonna mess up Kagome's brush strokes and Hazou's playdoh squishing
The voted-in action plan was specifically to scuttle that boat offshore to hide our tracks.
While they had a lot of difficulty, especially when a large storm hit their small boat, they did manage to sail it.
Plus, a larger vessel is much safer and more stable, we'll keep it anchored a lot of the time, and the party will have plenty of time to figure out how to sail it. And we can grab a non-chakra useing pirate for sailing advice if needed.