Tunnel Excavation can do it in 2 minutes with <50 chakra.
Moving that much earth with ES shouldn't be a problem. A single cast and likely <1hr time. It's a brute force job, no fine detail required. It's the fine details that make runes take so long
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
Moving that much earth with ES shouldn't be a problem. A single cast and likely <1hr time. It's a brute force job, no fine detail required. It's the fine details that make runes take so long
In addition to the fact that prep day checks apparently don't account for veterancy (which I did not know) I'm not at all confident that persistent runic HOWS would actually provide veterancy for PLTRs. The motivation for PLTRs is that something very like the desired effect was produced by prototypes for TR125, which suggests that the effect might be easily permitted by MfD-physics. We have no corresponding data for runic HOWS and no reason to believe making something persistently glow might be easy. (For analogy, PLTRs are observing that lightning sometimes starts fires and saying "fire might be easily permitted, let's try to control it"; persistent runic HOWS are saying "light exists, let's try and make random things glow".)
I just want to temper expectations here. The PLTR effect was the result of a runic failure --albeit a minor one.
Sealmasters do not try to replicate sealing failures, because they are not suicidal. Every past time we have voted it in in the past (I'm thinking of Reality Eaters) Hazou has overridden it.
I expect this to come back "Hard" in which case I plan to drop it forever and not try to revisit.
As I've said before, I am relatively confident that the prohibition refers to replicating the mechanism of a failure, rather than replicating its effects. The Rift was the result of a sealing failure - not even a minor one! - and we've been happy to mess with that. Reality Eaters are an interesting counterpoint as another example of a failure-inspired seal/rune, but given that PLTRs are more distant from the original effect (e.g. fixed speedup) and take inspiration from a minor failure rather than a major one, I think Hazōpilot is unlikely to just veto them. (Also, Reality Eaters may have been just that Hazō had no idea how to achieve the effect any other way without actually trying to figure out how the seal failed and make a seal that does that on purpose, which is the suicidal thing.)
That said, I agree that if PLTR 125 comes back "Hard" it's probably not worth further investigation (obviously unless there are caveats like "Hazō thinks this would be much easier at a higher speedup rate"). Barring such caveats, the course of action I think would be wise after each possible result is:
- Trivial: difficulty check higher-speedup PLTRs until we find one that's Easy, then research that.
- Easy: research ASAP, on the same priority tier as Remote Explosives.
- Bear in mind that it may not be safe to go into a TR with a PLTR speedup on you, in which case don't use it until after researching the Temporal Normalization Rune (preferably a continuous or reusable version).
- Medium: put in the queue for research, but relatively low priority.
- PLTR 125 would be extremely powerful (extra Supplemental every turn plus an unknown numerical bonus is my guess) but probably not battle-winning by itself, and if we use it against Akatsuki it leaks to Oro that time manipulation is possible (if he hasn't already thought of it). It's the higher speedups that would really be game-changers, and we've already got lots of less fraught runes in our Medium-tier queue.
- Hard: abandon line of research.
This looks like a pretty good plan to me. I endorse it barring unexpected revelations about other stuff we're looking at.
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No, sorry.
Done!
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[X] Action Plan: The Short Haul
[X] Sealing SOP: Runemaster
[X] Training Plan Hazou: PS Step
[X] Sealing SOP: Runemaster
[X] Training Plan Hazou: PS Step
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[X] Action Plan: The Short Haul
[X] Training Plan Hazou: PS Step
I looked over the new version of the SOP and I don't think I have anything new to say about it. I echo the concerns about how to balance prep days and DoB for stuff like chuunin seals (for instance, I see the value in letting Hazou slot a project into an off-track slot so long as he has such and such prep days, but the current phrasing can create the impression that, say, if Hazou has notes or veterancy he will prefer prep days to DoB when both options are available, which I think is inefficient) and I echo my previous concern that we may not always want to spend FP on progress rerolls (stockpiling FP could be an important resource to conserve for tough fights, off the top of my head) and so the SOP should ideally cover that edge case, but overall I don't have a problem with it from a safety perspective.
[X] Training Plan Hazou: PS Step
I looked over the new version of the SOP and I don't think I have anything new to say about it. I echo the concerns about how to balance prep days and DoB for stuff like chuunin seals (for instance, I see the value in letting Hazou slot a project into an off-track slot so long as he has such and such prep days, but the current phrasing can create the impression that, say, if Hazou has notes or veterancy he will prefer prep days to DoB when both options are available, which I think is inefficient) and I echo my previous concern that we may not always want to spend FP on progress rerolls (stockpiling FP could be an important resource to conserve for tough fights, off the top of my head) and so the SOP should ideally cover that edge case, but overall I don't have a problem with it from a safety perspective.
'Pilot will minimize cycle length if left to his own devices.
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So, a bit late to bring this up, but this part:
Not really a big deal; if he vetos it he vetos it. I'm just saying.
So, a bit late to bring this up, but this part:
Isn't Kagome going to veto this? Research bases with significantly inhibited mobility and seals/runes in close proximity are a no-no, for sealing failure reasons. Though I guess its fine if we do no infusions in it.
Not really a big deal; if he vetos it he vetos it. I'm just saying.
No he's not, we just do the infusions elsewhere, as you said. We were perfectly fine doing this in Iron, I have no clue why it would be different now.
Forgot in my previous post, but this seems like a situation in which we'd want to override the SOP.
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Fair.
Sorry, I don't really have a good understanding of how research is split between gruntwork and infusions, I thought that having to do infusions at a distant location would be a larger issue.
Minor edit made to specifically permit DoB in this case, 'Pilot should default to minimizing cycle length
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Completely fair. It's a little hard to grok!
Added line about using DoB since there seemed to be concern
Added Invoke to rolling Jiriaya-tier seals for the first time (I expect us to never use the actual SOP when researching Jiriaya-tier seals but it's better expected value than rerolling a -3 or worse)
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Thank you. Unfortunately...
PSA: I have to travel unexpectedly. Sunday will be an interlude.
By default, I will leave voting closed and the current plan can happen for Thursday. If a lot of people chime in that they would like it to be open then we'll look at re-evaluating.
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