Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rational rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
We are making this decision for Mari/Noburi/Yuno, how is that different? I truly do not understand this.
If you have a disclaimer line you'd like me to include to soften the blow - fine. But I'm not letting them commit suicide by deciding to return to Leaf.
Bolded shit seems nuts and I'm not interested in the slightest. You do realize we want to return to Leaf in like 3 months, right?
I think giving Noburi the password before they extract is a leak risk. What if Itachi mind controls him? Better to leave it until he's away clear. I think the mind control likely wouldn't survive RS to the Seventh Path. I also think that it's likely duration limited, so having him sit on the Seventh Path for a few hours before talking to him is likely to run it out if it's applied.
Asking the Sages to help determine if he's fine is a good idea. Dead drop is fine with me.
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- The Maple Syrup Mountains
Yeah, we want to balance "Hazou going missing here is plausible enough that Itachi doesn't torch Leaf for it" and "Hazou not actually having gone missing here, in retrospect, is plausible enough that it minimizes the scar on our reputation when we return". There's basically no comparative advantage to be gained by causing more damage unless we think Leaf's liable to get torched as things stand, but we've done a good enough of a job setting that up that I'm not worried.
That's some eagle-eyed shit right there, respect.
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Lol. Is he one of our skyslider engineers?
That's a bit of an understatement!
I like this S̶͈̯̘̹̰̈̂ō̵̘̖̰ṃ̶̻͈͍̻̌e̶̦̤̾͝ẗ̵̹̅̃́͘͜h̴̛̯̠̪̽̅̋̍i̴̧͌̈́̈̓n̴͊͜g̸̰̹̝̯̜. We should talk to Kei/Ami about getting into contact with it.
Hmm. Will this have lasting consequences?
Wow. Thank you guys very much. Y'all are being extra non-tear-inducing recently. Have we sated @Velorien for now?
I have an idea: come up with something to have the Sages teach Mari, and tell Noburi to summon them and have them pass the message to Mari directly. That way Noburi honestly has no idea that there's message-passing going on.
I'm all for
Look, I feel like this option is less desirable because it requires us to spend time
- Learning TH
- Learning Minatosealing
- Research a minatoseal for the conversion
Edit: oops, another spaghetti post. Sorry all.
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Not a single MfD player has ever once cared about this in the history of time. You good boss
are you not worried that after the exfiltration itachi will interrogate naruto whether he had any hand in this or whether hazou was acting solo?
edit: naruto can answer he didn't have any hand in the exfiltration. but not on whether hazou goes missing. but itachi could detect naruto is hiding something. and if he asks more general questions naruto would need to lie.
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Mari's an expert, the players aren't. if she needs to go ASAP, she'll go ASAP. if she can do better with a few days, she'll take a few days.
note "ciphered". we've seen ninja regularly memorizing tons of codes, I'm assume each uplift pair has a specific key for private messages between them.
Noburi shouldn't be able to read this.
I understand, but I want there to be a leaf to return to in 3 months, which means selling the act.
"There's no way they're planning to go back after doing that" is exactly what we need to hit, if it can be done without jeopardizing the extraction.
And ultimately, trusting Mari to decide on what level of apparent betrayal is vs isn't helpful.
I agree, which is why we're not giving Noburi the password. we're giving Mari(EJounin Genjutsu spec with FOOM-resolve) the ciphered version of the password, so she can tell Noburi once she's confident they made a clean getaway.
Is there a rephrase of this section you would prefer?
That's my goal here. getting Minato's notes so we know what kind of projects are feasible with Minatosealing is just gravy.(avoid the stumbleing-in-the-dark we're doing with PS)
If Naruto dosen't like us, he'll just have to suck it up and accept our invaluable Essie-killing Leaf-saving Runes, with a topping of multiple resurrected father figures.
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Dumb faflec suggestions:
- Send seals and seal notes of non-rune research, including RRB and the like, to Mari and co.
- Officially they're to stock the clan and keep records in case something happens to us on our way back.
- Semi-officially, we're bringing evidence that we've been working on non-rift research stuff, if Itachi pops back over and sees the stuff before we fuck off. Since Itachi does not have a high opinion of Hazou, and RRB are a Jonin-tier seal, it's possible he may believe that we aren't actually working on rift research and just not come back.
- Unofficially, Hazou will include Skywalkers and escape-related seals for the exfil squad. He's busy and on the move, he put extra seals in the stack. Sue him.
- Declare (-1FP) that Hazou has codes for Mari to exfil Uplift if she can.
- Suggest to Mari that if it's impossible to exfil, to sell our squad down the river to keep Itachi from hurting the clan. An extra 2 weeks isn't worth them getting hurt, if exfil is not viable.
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Yeah, but given the context he might get an idea of what we're planning. I like the idea of having him bring in the Toad Sages to pass the message.
Point, but then I think we should avoid any suggestions and use the wordspace for other plans.
Yeah, I think we should delegate to Mari
and "accidentally" send a bunch of seals that will be useful. (Including Darkness Domes, if possible.)
On another note, do we know if Kagome has Out experience that would let him take DoB? It'd be really nice to have two DoB sealmasters. If not, we should probably ask him to work on Army of One next.
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Kagome is never going to get DoB because he would immediately become the most powerful sealmaster that ever existed.
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The Shining One
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- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
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- Can’t say. I know my momentum.
Weeping in Kagome.
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- Can’t say. I know my momentum.
Nope, that's SSA, not DoB.
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I'm not saying he'll be able to read the message, I'm saying the mere existence of a coded message is enough information for Noburi to reasonably guess what we're trying to do. We cannot relay the information to Mari without routing through Noburi, and I would contend that we cannot route any information through Noburi without exposing a major OPSEC risk should Itachi ever interrogate him in the upcoming days.
I do not think attempting to conceal information from Noburi is effective enough to be worth the tradeoff of 1) leaving physical evidence of Hazou's secret communications, and 2) not impressing on Noburi that he needs to bring this to Mari and wake her up right this minute, to give her the opportunity to get everyone and bug out that same night.
This is fair, but, you know, we should at least give Mari the opportunity. Giving Noburi the message in the dead of night is just strictly superior to giving it to him during the day, because it puts Mari in a position where if she acts immediately there are no OPSEC risks, and I think there's a decent likelihood that she takes that chance.
Like, Mari's not stupid, she knows going missing's been on our mind and she undoubtedly knows what this "research trip" is all about. She's not going to be caught flat-footed by this and need to spend days putting things in order. There's a very good chance, imo, that she really is ready to grab everyone and exfiltrate in a matter of minutes, and if that's true then we can circumvent the Itachi interrogation question entirely. I do not think we have the means to meaningfully communicate to Mari what we need to communicate without also giving Noburi enough information to scuttle the mission if Itachi questions him, so prioritizing decisiveness is the best thing we can do to maximize the odds that everyone gets out alive.
It's still up to her, of course, she's more skilled than us at this and is the woman at ground zero with all the information she needs to make an optimal decision. The best thing we can do is make sure she gets the information in the best possible circumstances: in the dead of night, when she has the most options to exfiltrate safely, and when Itachi is least likely to find the OPSEC leak that we invariably introduce to the equation by even so much as handing Noburi a coded letter.
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A passcode Mari knows that Noburi does not seems pretty easily in the realm of a declare if not something that would just be allowed outright
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It takes the full 30 seconds to mess it up? You could just do a little twist like in the interlude where we unlocked the stunt.
It inadvertently saved our rep with the clan when we proposed sicking Orochimaru on Hiashi. If framed carefully, I could see this helping us once again if Kei sees we royally fucked up and needs to come to our rescue.
I agree. which is why the plan say to do that.
Is the plan unclear? if so, do you have a suggested paraphrase?
Fair! If/when it makes a wordcount difference, I'll condense it.
There's kinda a yo-yo here between "I think this isn't a good idea" and "I think this isn't worth the wordcount".
I assume it's just you changing your position after thinking a bit more, which makes sense!
But I've found your flighty interaction style to be a difficult to engage with.
a similar example is the conversation:
LHM: "Mari picks which(if any) of these things to do, using her judgement"
MIP: "some of these things might be bad ideas!"
LHM: "probably! and she knows more than us, which is why we're letting her pick"
MIP: "I think we should let Mari pick!"
like, I don't know what you wanted from me in this conversion. It didn't feel useful to me, but it did repeatedly requre some time/attention. was it useful to you? if so, I'm genuinely glad I could help! otherwise, I don't appreciate it.
To be clear, you're neat and I hope you keep engaging with me, but this pattern isn't something I enjoy for it's own sake.
I assume it's just you changing your position after thinking a bit more, which makes sense!
But I've found your flighty interaction style to be a difficult to engage with.
a similar example is the conversation:
LHM: "Mari picks which(if any) of these things to do, using her judgement"
MIP: "some of these things might be bad ideas!"
LHM: "probably! and she knows more than us, which is why we're letting her pick"
MIP: "I think we should let Mari pick!"
like, I don't know what you wanted from me in this conversion. It didn't feel useful to me, but it did repeatedly requre some time/attention. was it useful to you? if so, I'm genuinely glad I could help! otherwise, I don't appreciate it.
To be clear, you're neat and I hope you keep engaging with me, but this pattern isn't something I enjoy for it's own sake.
I get it in theory, but I think the whole toad sage shuffle is also pretty sus. OtOH, we've seen that Noburi is already passing private messages for the family pretty regularly. doesn't seem sus to me.
Writing a dense and clear enough version of this would be prerequisite(but not sufficient) to convincing me to change it.
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