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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
- Thread starter eaglejarl
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- naruto rational rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
- Location
- Liverpool
[x] Action Plan: Problem Solving
[X] Go punch something/fight something/blow something up. Please. Bonus if you flirt with Snowflake and use explosions while doing so.
[X] Go punch something/fight something/blow something up. Please. Bonus if you flirt with Snowflake and use explosions while doing so.
- Location
- Book Fort
- Pronouns
- They/Them
I have a sudden image of Hazou shooting Snowflake a wink, only to get absolutely vibe-checked by a chakra beast... it really makes it tempting to vote for this 😅
@Noumero I cut your suggestions down to this to get it below 300 words. Let me know if you want me to make some more changes.
Overall we are coming in at 299, but I'm not super pleased with some of the wording if people have additional thoughts.
- Location
- Book Fort
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Attack "vectors" instead of "scenarios," perhaps?
I think scenarios is correct here, since we're asking for situations in which the runes are likely to be used, not ways in which to use our runes.
- Location
- Book Fort
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Hm. Perhaps "viable" in "viable Akatsuki-killers" is needless? Could delete it to add a word elsewhere?
- Location
- United States
@Sir Stompy
WC 305 >>> 280
- Update Duration: 10 days (subjective)
- Sanity check with Kei
- Respond to Naruto:
- Inventing viable Akatsuki-killers is difficult. We've been narrowing possibilities down, but our runecrafting skill limits us.
- We have viable defensive-rune ideas. We'll switch to them if offensive lines of research prove intractable.
- Query: What attack scenarios on Akatsuki are strategically viable? How are our weapons expected to be deployed?
- How well can we track/surveil Akatsuki?
- Any circumstances where we can pin them down in advance? Trick them into being predictable?
- Feasibility of destroying two Akatsuki pairs in quick succession, such that killing one pair doesn't alert the others?
- Do they have any non-Summoning long distance communications?
- Inventing viable Akatsuki-killers is difficult. We've been narrowing possibilities down, but our runecrafting skill limits us.
- Sasha
- Write her a heartfelt congratulations letter for graduating. Express confidence in a long career ahead of her.
- Have Mari ensure a solid jonin-sensei.
- Order party/celebration for her.
- Research
- 1st SSA Track TR 75, full prep
- Assuming TR 75 is "...well within..." if it's not, work on Force Blades.
- 2nd SSA Track, Air Dome Rune, full prep
- 3rd non-SSA track, Runic HOWS, full prep
- If this finishes, work on Storage Runes
- Assuming both are "...well within..." if Hazou feels unsafe, do not proceed.
- 4th/5th track, prep days on the following
- 1st SSA Track TR 75, full prep
- Miscellaneous:
- Submit Hazō's jutsu to Leaf's Library.
- Financially incentivize learning it.
- Offer Tenten RBs for her personal use in exchange for working on our Rocket Boosted Kunai Project.
- Cannai: Are there any places in/near Dog with active combat?
- Otherwise, have Kei find some dangerous chakra beasts nearby.
- Submit Hazō's jutsu to Leaf's Library.
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Suggest "they" is replaced with either "Akatsuki" or "Leaf" as appropriate for clarity
- Location
- USA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
@RandomOTP Hold off on responding to @_The_Bomb for a few minutes. I want to post something first before the discussion continues but I need to make sure I say it right.
- Location
- USA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
My usual rule is "criticism in private, praise in public", so normally I would post something like this in a DM. On the other hand, I feel like perhaps it is better to do it publicly in this case because I suspect that @RandomOTP could use the support and that it might help someone else to think about how things come across and how to find prosocial ways to phrase them.
General point: Bomb, from where I sit you are the one causing this problem, whereas @RandomOTP has been about as courteous as it's possible for them to have been under the circumstances. You know me fairly well after all this time and hopefully you think that I'm relatively charitable and impartial. If you think I'm wrong that you are the source of the problem, or if you think that I'm being unfair in my assessment, then I suggest that you sleep on it, then tomorrow go back and re-read the full discussion, then seriously think about it for five minutes by the clock to see if you can figure out why I am having that reaction. If you still can't get it, ping me on Discord. I may not be able to respond quickly but I'm really hoping that it's not a necessary conversation; you're a smart guy and really should be able to figure this out.
Specifics:
When you are in the middle of writing an apology post and literally the previous paragraph consisted of "I misunderstood...and...misinterpreted", it's a bad look to immediately transition into criticism and a claim that the other person is doing something wrong. If you find yourself doing that, stop and think about whether you are making the same mistake that you apologized for in literally the last few seconds.
If you still think you're right to do it, consider whether it needs to be said in public. Perhaps it would be better to make the apology for your mistake in public and reach out in private to discuss what you view as their mistake in a separate forum where you aren't injecting trouble into the main thread.
Regarding the part where you said "I never attempted to frighten you into doing what I wanted": I think this was written with good intent but bad delivery. A more accurate statement would be "I never intended to...." ROTP told you that this is how your post came across. If you say you didn't do it then you are implicitly saying that ROTP is being oversensitive, or misunderstanding, or etc. You're saying that it's their fault that they were hurt/worried/upset/irritated by your words, not your fault for what you wrote. I think this was simply poor phrasing on your part and not that you were trying to devalue ROTP's position. Easy thing to do in text where tone and intent get lost so easily, but it's still important to be aware of the difference between "I didn't" and "I didn't intend to".
Regarding the line "I feel hurt by your insinuation that I am habitually socially agressive": Bomb, I feel that you are habitually socially aggressive. Or, saying it more accurately, I feel that you are frequently thoughtless with your word choice and don't realize how aggressive it comes off. Communicating by text is hard. Tone is lost, nuance is lost, intent is easy to misread. It requires effort to communicate clearly and it is the writer's job to be clear, not the reader's job to be charitable. Yes, we should all read as charitably as possible but if your audience is having to be charitable then, as the kids say, you done fucked up.
Here's my suggestion: reframe this topic into a positive for yourself.
Hopefully this helped. I don't want to do a big deep-dive on it and relitigate the whole thing, but I'm always around on Discord if you need to drop a word on the subject.
I'm frustrated by the way this conversation is going and I'm going to try to break it down point-by-point in hopes that it will help get the message across and make it easy to digest.
General point: Bomb, from where I sit you are the one causing this problem, whereas @RandomOTP has been about as courteous as it's possible for them to have been under the circumstances. You know me fairly well after all this time and hopefully you think that I'm relatively charitable and impartial. If you think I'm wrong that you are the source of the problem, or if you think that I'm being unfair in my assessment, then I suggest that you sleep on it, then tomorrow go back and re-read the full discussion, then seriously think about it for five minutes by the clock to see if you can figure out why I am having that reaction. If you still can't get it, ping me on Discord. I may not be able to respond quickly but I'm really hoping that it's not a necessary conversation; you're a smart guy and really should be able to figure this out.
Specifics:
When you are in the middle of writing an apology post and literally the previous paragraph consisted of "I misunderstood...and...misinterpreted", it's a bad look to immediately transition into criticism and a claim that the other person is doing something wrong. If you find yourself doing that, stop and think about whether you are making the same mistake that you apologized for in literally the last few seconds.
If you still think you're right to do it, consider whether it needs to be said in public. Perhaps it would be better to make the apology for your mistake in public and reach out in private to discuss what you view as their mistake in a separate forum where you aren't injecting trouble into the main thread.
Regarding the part where you said "I never attempted to frighten you into doing what I wanted": I think this was written with good intent but bad delivery. A more accurate statement would be "I never intended to...." ROTP told you that this is how your post came across. If you say you didn't do it then you are implicitly saying that ROTP is being oversensitive, or misunderstanding, or etc. You're saying that it's their fault that they were hurt/worried/upset/irritated by your words, not your fault for what you wrote. I think this was simply poor phrasing on your part and not that you were trying to devalue ROTP's position. Easy thing to do in text where tone and intent get lost so easily, but it's still important to be aware of the difference between "I didn't" and "I didn't intend to".
Regarding the line "I feel hurt by your insinuation that I am habitually socially agressive": Bomb, I feel that you are habitually socially aggressive. Or, saying it more accurately, I feel that you are frequently thoughtless with your word choice and don't realize how aggressive it comes off. Communicating by text is hard. Tone is lost, nuance is lost, intent is easy to misread. It requires effort to communicate clearly and it is the writer's job to be clear, not the reader's job to be charitable. Yes, we should all read as charitably as possible but if your audience is having to be charitable then, as the kids say, you done fucked up.
Here's my suggestion: reframe this topic into a positive for yourself.
- You screwed up, you apologized like the decent person I believe you to be. Win! This shows real maturity.
- RandomOTP pointed out that they did not like the way you were referencing a 'this has consequences' post and asked that you not do it again. Cool. I'm sure this initially felt like you were being unfairly accused or something, but try reframing it for yourself: ROTP told you about a place where you were not communicating what you intended to communicate and, by implication, they helped you find a way that you can improve your communication skills. Win! They did you a favor, if you look at it in the right light.
- I'm calling you out for being the source of this issue and pointing out that you likely don't recognize how often you come off as aggressive. I'm certain it doesn't feel great to read that, but again it can be seen as a positive. You're being given a chance to get stronger at a critical skill (written communication), a skill that I promise is going to impact your career and your friends/family relationships over and over for the rest of your life.
Hopefully this helped. I don't want to do a big deep-dive on it and relitigate the whole thing, but I'm always around on Discord if you need to drop a word on the subject.
- Location
- The Maple Syrup Mountains
[X] Training Plan Hazou: TH 10
[X] Action Plan: Yet More Runes, Yay
[X] Action Plan: Yet More Runes, Yay
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- Location
- Yes.
@eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped Any word on TH details, and is there anything we can do to help with getting them finalized?
Okay the prep day wars begin again, we have a total of 12 for next plan so let's get going:
Canary
Unsummoning
Storm(?)
Beam collimator (mirror type)
Beam collimator (spatial type)
Pocket-Space Rune
I think that's all I have so far, will edit more in, as I remember them/people ask for them. I am not super interested in more runes for esoteric attack vectors atm. Focusing on utility this cycle
Canary
Unsummoning
Storm(?)
Beam collimator (mirror type)
Beam collimator (spatial type)
Pocket-Space Rune
I think that's all I have so far, will edit more in, as I remember them/people ask for them. I am not super interested in more runes for esoteric attack vectors atm. Focusing on utility this cycle
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- Location
- Book Fort
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Have we tried a rune that yeets you N Zones away in a random direction? Set it up to trigger with when it detects a running chakra source of sufficient size enter its AOE.
Forced movement is hecking good. Call it the Rolled Up Broadsheet Rune?
How is this supposed to kill Akatsuki? It seems doable and easy enough but a little underwhelming.
- Location
- United States
@eaglejarl @Velorien @Paperclipped
Sorry for bothering you guys, is this still under discussion? I forgot to ping the whole squad so I'm not sure if y'all even saw it.
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- Book Fort
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Gets us veterancy to where we have a rune that we can designate the direction of the yeet. Then we can set up tracks like Force Walls or Skyslicers that they will be yeeted into, and the traps themselves will be outside of the normal range of detection.
So we set up a Skyslicer, say, a mile or so away in the Northern direction. Deidara swoops down into the rune's AoE, and is yeeted at incredible speeds in the Northern direction, where he and his mount are flung through the aforementioned Skyslicer.
Ideally, the initial speeds of the v1 Rune yeets would causes a severe debuff against rolling against traps, and later Rune versions would make it impossible.
For example...
Rolled Up Broadsheet Rune: Anything with 50+ Chakra entering its AOE at running speed or faster is yeeted in a random direction. Subtract 2*PS AB from Alertness rolls while encountering this effect.
Rolled Up Broadsheet Rune v2: Anything with 50+ Chakra entering its AOE at running speed or faster os yeeted in [Cardinal Direction, set at time of infusion]. Subtract 2*PS AB from Alertness rolls while encountering this effect.
Rolled Up Broasheet Rune v3: Anything with 50+ Chakra entering its AOE at running speed or more is yeeted in [Cardinal Direction] so fast that they cannot roll Alertness against traps until the fling is resolved.
I think you need to specify what you mean by "random" directions otherwise accuracy is a major issue. Do you mean only parallel to the ground or whatever plane they're triggered upon? Because if diagonal angles or straight upwards/down are also possible then setting up an effective Skyslicer perimeter becomes practically impossible.
Also, even if it's only parallel to the ground and we just need to set up a big fucking Skyslicer circle, a Skyslicer is thin enough that I have serious concerns about accurately yeeting a human-sized target at one from a distance sufficient to be outside detection range. Granted, we could set up multiple Skyslicer circles spaced thinly, but it's still a major increase in Skyslicers needed. Any chance that it can be in a non-random direction so the trap doesn't have to cover such a wide area?
Also, even if it's only parallel to the ground and we just need to set up a big fucking Skyslicer circle, a Skyslicer is thin enough that I have serious concerns about accurately yeeting a human-sized target at one from a distance sufficient to be outside detection range. Granted, we could set up multiple Skyslicer circles spaced thinly, but it's still a major increase in Skyslicers needed. Any chance that it can be in a non-random direction so the trap doesn't have to cover such a wide area?
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You've got the big ones here. Beams and 7th path. Love this.
I'd like to mildly suggest the Chakra Shredder. It does fall under "esoteric attack vectors", but it has two major upsides: it's likely not just effective, but super effective vs Konan and Sasori, and it should easier to build an IFF into it than any other offensive AOE rune proposed.
This strikes me as lower priority than stratigic-shift runes(ex. Air Dome, Unsummoning Anchor, Canary), weapons with a semi-viable targeting strategy(ex. Lazorz), and deployment/IFF enablers(ex. Canary, Wormhole), but higher priority than our other offencive rune idea.*
*except possibly the "delete this chunk of reality" rune. It's clearly got more offensive oomph, but there's no way to make is safe via IFF.
Oh, explosive mines? Activateing a rune is to slow for combat, but what if after you "activate" it, it waits for a trigger condition to instantly explode.
This would be useful inof itself, but a prep day here will let us know how hard adding a trigger condition like this is, which can inform all our weapons choices going forward.
In that vein, TR125 with an off switch, just to test how difficult adding an off switch is.
But really, the current list is great.
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This prep day isn't useful by itself, only if we do a longish chain of runes. It's asking for an incredible time sink.
And it doesn't even solve any major issues. It assumes we can bait the Akatsuki(which contain an obnoxious number of Chakra-sensors and minion-users) into our prepared killing ground with their real bodies.
Even if we could somehow do that, we have plenty of easier ideas for "kill these 4ish zones" ,most of which probably take a fraction the research time.
Role call!
Itachi sees it coming via both chakra sight and precognition and isn't walking into our deatrap, and is only engaging via SC and summons anyways.
Kisame has the most OP chakra sense ever, so he isn't waking into our deathtrap. He floods us out or uses sharks or WDB or whatever.
Sasori sends puppets first.
Deidara will never try to get close to ground, just explodes us. If he does want to decend, he probably leads with explosive clones or SC.
Konan is made of paper and distributes her body across many zones, some underground. Possibly also a chakra sensor?
Hidan will totally fall for this, but will survive.
Plus most of them have higher alertness than Kagome has trapmaking, and can see our prepared grounds. Or enough socials to notice their being baited.
All in all, I'm pretty unconvinced that this is a good use of many research cycles.
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