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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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_The_Bomb said:
Everyone please note that this plan has us spend a sizable quantity of banked XP on a jutsu we did not have access to in-character until just now.
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Mechanically yes, very cheese.

Narratively impossible.

In both cases, it only ends up mattering if our character uses the Jutsu in the very near future. Trying to assign xp in some sort of trickle-over-time fashion would just be more work for QMs and players in keeping track.

IF, however, we do end up using the leveled up jutsu in the very near future, for the sake of realism I would not object to making the argument for the QMs that the jutsu should be used at a lower level than what it actually is, to reflect the narrative time restriction. So If we're leveling it to 30 here, and then try to use the Jutsu in the mines or whatever we're doing soon, Kei might only use it at ~ level 10 in that encounter based on QM judgement.

Which is effectively the same as limiting the amount of xp we can put in it now, except we don't have to keep track of or risk mixing up future numbers, and the complication only exists in specific circumstances.


TL;DR summery: I think its better to spend the xp now and restrict based on QM discretion than to keep the numbers floating around unspent to force a similar effect.
 
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It's also worth noting that none of the actual QMs, themselves, have said anything about this training plan.

After all it's not like we've been hiding our plans to level the RW Buff as a high as possible as soon as we get it.

We've been openly planning it, in the thread and on the discord, for the last five updates. If the QMs were going to ban it, or make some sort of request regarding it, then they would have said something by now.

RandomOTP said:
[x] Kei Training Plan: S-ranks Buff as Hell
Cloak of the Wind God 0 -> 30 (-232.5xp)
Akimichi Chakra Enhancement (-20 XP)

XP Remaining: 21 (once you include the XP from here)
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eaglejarl said:
  1. Scenery Clone Seal Array. Takes a holographic image of a location, projects that regardless of what is inside
  2. Silence Shell Seal ArraySounds goes in but not out
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Since we have research notes for these, can we have a difficulty estimate of the seal?
eaglejarl said:
On the northern side of Demon (eastern continent) there is a species of tree that has developed a symbiotic relationship with a local species of large rodents. The sap of the tree is extremely nutritious and provides a strong healing effect, intended to draw wildlife in. The trees shed a soporific pollen which can lull you to sleep so that the rodents can eat you and your blood and bones can fertilize the tree. The sap and the pollen are both chakra-laden, and cannot be stored. However, while the pollen decays too quickly to be useful away from the tree, the sap stores quite well and is occasionally used by the local ninja communities for its healing factor.
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Anybody think we should send Kei/Yuno maybe a couple others after this sap for her unstagnation mission?
 
RandomOTP said:
It's also worth noting that none of the actual QMs, themselves, have said anything about this training plan.
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Your training plan is, at this moment, one hundred and three minutes old. It's a big stretch to say we have tacit approval; silence is not consent, and all.

There's no urgency in raising this ninjutsu. I don't see why you're trying to ram it in a few hours before vote closes and without asking the QMs first, especially given it might screw up ACE like last time.
 
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@_The_Bomb

I encourage you to read the rest of my post. Namely, the bolded segment.

RandomOTP said:
It's also worth noting that none of the actual QMs, themselves, have said anything about this training plan.

After all it's not like we've been hiding our plans to level the RW Buff as a high as possible as soon as we get it.

We've been openly planning it, in the thread and on the discord, for the last five updates. If the QMs were going to ban it, or make some sort of request regarding it, then they would have said something by now.
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I read your entire post before I responded, ROTP.

I would highly caution you against assuming the QMs approve of particular stance of a contentious issue that they were never pinged about purely because of their silence. Especially given [gestures at the absurd quantities of pings they received in the last day alone].
 
Okay guys hear me out. We can turn Kei into a one-woman artillery, with a modest investment into Cloak of the Reaper and Cloak of the Wind God, as well as a 5sb gun that uses full-power explosive seals (not runes, seals).

The crux of the matter is that an explosive seal has about the same energy as a hand grenade. Quick googling says a normal hand grenade has about 276 kJ of energy. That's a lot of energy. For reference, a normal 50 bmg contains about 20 kJ of energy. What would happen if we used all that energy to accelerate a projectile?

Some quick math says a 100 gram projectile moving at 2km/s has about 200 kJ of energy. We are definitely not gonna have 100% efficiency with our 5sb gun, so I'm gonna assume this to be a good enough guess.

The 5sb gun simply needs to be a tube with an end cap. Could be made of bamboo, or steel, or earth, or whatever, as long as it's a flat tube with an end cap. We put a MARS-activated explosive at the bottom, then stuff the projectile down the tube. The projectile can be shaped with ES. Kei aims the tube, and once she has the correct bearing she activates 5sb, now the invulnerable tube is pointing at that location. Now comes the fun part: what RW bonus should the 5sb cannon give? Let's give it a conservative +3AB for first round ambush with weapons:2 (it should be better than force wall kunai).

We have our scenario: Kei is 3km up in the sky on a skytower (painted to blend into the sky), with her 5sb gun and jutsu ready. She sees an akatsuki camp with her telescope, then does the math to figure out the ballistic trajectory of the 5sb gun. She aims the gun and sets it. Then she casts Cloak of the Reaper at Effect:4 (level 30) and gains +16 to her next RW roll. She casts Cloak of the Wind God at Effect:4 (level 30) on the 5sb gun projectile and gains all 4 tags on it, giving her a further +20 (AB of 5) on the RW roll. The 5sb is activated, so the razor edge of wind chakra doesn't break the gun. She uses Frozen Skein buff on the RW roll, going pretty hard but not all out, giving he a conservative +19 on her RW roll. These are her 3 buffs.

Plus the 5sb gun = +15 to her RW roll.

Plus 3 invokes, 'cause why not?

Her final attack is this: 46 (base) + 19 (FS) + 16 (Reaper) (EDIT: Buff limit) + 20 (Wind God) + 15 (5sb gun) + 15 (3 invokes) = 131 115

EDIT: lol I was wrong with the buffs.
 
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_The_Bomb said:
I read your entire post before I responded, ROTP.

I would highly caution you against assuming the QMs approve of particular stance of a contentious issue that they were never pinged about purely because of their silence. Especially given [gestures at the absurd quantities of pings they received in the last day alone].
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See bolded.

RandomOTP said:
It's also worth noting that none of the actual QMs, themselves, have said anything about this training plan.

After all it's not like we've been hiding our plans to level the RW Buff as a high as possible as soon as we get it.

We've been openly planning it, in the thread and on the discord, for the last five updates. If the QMs were going to ban it, or make some sort of request regarding it, then they would have said something by now.
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I have a preference to do a thing.

You have a preference not to do that thing.

As far as I'm concerned, that's where it begins and ends.

Anything beyond that? The QMs are fully grown adults who can advocate for themselves.

I am going to drop the conversation here and politely request that you do the same.
 
Shrooms said:
I don't see the point in doing this. We have 3 FP as is and all we would using it for is to scrounge for worldbuilding tidbits. If we were trying to land some training I would agree with this but rn seems to be a waste more than anything
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There seems to be considerable disagreement amongst my voters as to keep it or not. If you voted for me and want to keep or nix this, please speak up.
 
Shrooms said:
I don't see the point in doing this. We have 3 FP as is and all we would using it for is to scrounge for worldbuilding tidbits. If we were trying to land some training I would agree with this but rn seems to be a waste more than anything
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@Sir Stompy I feel like this is fine so long as we are explicitly intending to like, gain rapport with the two sages. @Shrooms ?

I don't necessarily want anything here other than for them to like us a fair bit more, I guess, and I think tossing 30XP out there is worth it to butter them up now (so we can ask for more involved training later).
 
MMKII said:
@Sir Stompy I feel like this is fine so long as we are explicitly intending to like, gain rapport with the two sages. @Shrooms ?

I don't necessarily want anything here other than for them to like us a fair bit more, I guess, and I think tossing 30XP out there is worth it to butter them up now (so we can ask for more involved training later).
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We have yet to do this on Orochimaru and somehow succeeded at impressing him anyways - for the purposes of being impressive here I don't think it should matter
 
Sir Stompy said:
There seems to be considerable disagreement amongst my voters as to keep it or not. If you voted for me and want to keep or nix this, please speak up.
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Please keep it. The entire purpose of this scene is impress the Toad Sages, and that's an important mechanical component of that.

We'll going to roll for our lore request or gaining reputation with them or something as we have every single time ever interacted with them, and the FP is going to be very important.
 
_The_Bomb said:
we have every single time ever interacted with them
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We ate dinner with them and no roll, they advocated for Hazou at the Conclave and no roll, etc. We make rolls when we are asking them for stuff, like a substrate jutsu. And tbh while I like lore, I don't think we need it that badly. We've been getting it from them without paying anything and even if we didn't get it not much would change
 
I think we get rid of it. The original intent behind buying the FP was to secure the apprenticeship. If we're not asking for it at this point, I say we don't buy the FP.

[x] Kei Training Plan: S-ranks Buff as Hell
 
That XP could buy us some Athletics! :p

But yeah, I don't really see us needing to buy FP. We already have 3FP to spend if we absolutely need to, and the lithosealing demonstration will shocking on its own.
 
I'm more than willing to pay last update's XP to learn how the Seventh Path was constructed.

More importantly, I think those FP are going to have a big impact on how much reputation we'll gain from the Sages for our discovery.
 
_The_Bomb said:
I'm more than willing to pay last update's XP to learn how the Seventh Path was constructed.

More importantly, I think those FP are going to have a big impact on how much reputation we'll gain from the Sages for our discovery.
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Why not just buy some PS to make a higher quality demonstration, which will be more convincing than extra rerolls anyway?
 
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