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Our demonstration is going to be the full-sized explosive rune we've already researched, and is independent of our PS stat.
Also, per the plan, the FP is going to be used on invoking aspects, not rerolls.
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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
Also, per the plan, the FP is going to be used on invoking aspects, not rerolls.
As a casual reader of this quest (assume minimal familiarity with mechanics), can anyone orient me on how strong/what the jutsu do, that we just received (and in comparison to other people especially)? From my basic skimming/understanding, Strength of the Storm, and Cloak of the Wind God are just basic, punch harder jutsu? Like, character strength x Some_Value, without any new abilities? Geode Coffin can trap someone, and then explode, and wind barrier creates a wall.
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Can I get Aspect Bonus's explained? I read the guide but still don't quite get it.
From Strength of Storm:
How does (I believe) AB increase, linearly or double? (Is it 1 to 2*AB like a range for the effect (I can only go from 1-10.) , or is 2*AB the effect (given AB of 6 the effect is 12), and each increase (10, 30, etc, leads to a corresponding increase in AB? (1, 2, etc))
What effect does leveling up the jutsu have?
And just to check, stress is just a smaller unit for the chakra cost of the jutsu?
Thanks!
Messy details:
Can I get Aspect Bonus's explained? I read the guide but still don't quite get it.
From Strength of Storm:
| Effect | 1 to 2*AB | +10, +30, +60, +100, +150… |
How does (I believe) AB increase, linearly or double? (Is it 1 to 2*AB like a range for the effect (I can only go from 1-10.) , or is 2*AB the effect (given AB of 6 the effect is 12), and each increase (10, 30, etc, leads to a corresponding increase in AB? (1, 2, etc))
What effect does leveling up the jutsu have?
And just to check, stress is just a smaller unit for the chakra cost of the jutsu?
Thanks!
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I may be wrong, but...
AB:
So "AB" is a jutsu or skill's "tier of power." This basically means how stronk your ability to use a thing is.
In 99% of cases, your AB for a particular skill or jutsu scales like...
0 - 9 your AB is 1
10-19 your AB is 2
20 - 29 your AB is 3
Leveling:
As you may suspect, the more you level a skill or ability, the more powerful it is. This is marked by its AB, which starts at AB 1, and goes up every 10 levels you invest in it.
So when you level up Fireball to level 5, it's AB is 1. When you level Fireball up to 10, it becomes AB 2, and so on.
The Effect of most Attack jutsu is "1 to AB" meaning "baseline strength of 1, up to however strong you've leveled this jutsu."
So a jutsu of 2*AB means "a baseline strength of 2, up to twice as strong as you've leveled this jutsu."
Stress
When you design a jutsu, certain features may increase the chakra it casts to cost it. The value of how expensive a jutsu is to cast during the design period is called "stress."
For example, if you want your jutsu to attack at a longer distance (From an Adjacent Zone to your enemy's Zone) as opposed to the standard distance (from within the Same Zone as your enemy), then it's going to add to your total stress.
If there is a debuff to your jutsu, like the range of your jutsu's attack is "melee range," then that's going to decrease the amount of total stress.
At the end of the design phase, you take your designed jutsu's total stress, and divide by 5 for the total chakra cost.
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The way Geode Coffin is written bypasses this upgrade in a manner that seems unintentional. Just wanted to check in on that.
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We asked Orochimaru for these jutsu. He's delivered us "basic buff jutsu", but really good. Most buff jutsu add smaller numbers and need to be leveled higher to be powerful. These things are "+5 longsword" jutsu : maybe not as flashy as a giant water dragon, but actually really good !
Jutsu AB is equal to the jutsu's level divided by ten, rounded up. Most jutsu effect calculations are based on AB, so leveling a jutsu more makes it deadlier / long-ranged / generally more effective.
Here is a quick review of what we got, with no mechanics :
Elemental Combat Ninjutsu
- Geode Coffin - could be powerful, but would need to be leveled rather high to be useful and we won't do that. It's not worth the cost of making this our main combat technique when we have seals, and it's not synergistic with our main attacks/defenses. We were hyped because the initial "test text" suggested it would be rather easy to capture foes inside the geode, but the final rules for the jutsu make it a lot harder to capture powerful enemies.
- Strength of the Storm - melee buff that increases damage a bunch and provides free counterattacks. Not too flashy, but very good value.
- Cloak of the Wind God - very powerful and cost-effective attack-increaser. It can also be used to escape when enemies try to close into melee, so that's nice.
- Cloak of the Reaper (This is mostly from the Concealment section of the deal but it does have sniper benefits so I'm listing it here.) - Keiko could be extra deadly with this. And it's very good for stealth !
- Whirlwind Barrier (This is the barrier technique requested for Mari.) - as barrier techniques go, this is very solid and doesn't block line of sight. So Mari could hide behind this while slinging genjutsu.
Medical Combat Ninjutsu
- Chakra Scalpel Technique - This is a decent combat technique. Unfortunately it's probably not better than Noburi's main Water Whip (and Noburi has refused our offer to see if Orochimaru can combine them).
- Pain Induction - seems like a good debuff, and it relies on Medicine so if Noburi keeps pumping his medical stats it'll only get harder to resist.
- Pain Suppression - Seems really useful out of combat. Recovering from injury takes ages, so reducing those penalties would be nice.
Substrate Creation Ninjutsu
Bones of Creation - This is useful to make the substrate required to make runes / lithoseals. We have 500+ units of substrate from Neji's expedition to the cave, but if we learn this jutsu we'll be able to just make more substrate from random rocks.
Technique Hacking Notes
1000 XP lootbox. You must have level 10 in Technique Hacking already to use it. Follows the same rules as Orochimaru's other lootboxes. - If we pay enough normal XP to get technique hacking to level 10, we'll be able to reach level 32 just by talling our shadow clones to read these notes.
Concealment of Self and/or Locations - these all seem good. The seals are useful to hide a specific location (like a camp) from distant observation. The synergy with our ability to sleep at high altitude is obvious.
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Strength of the Storm is a very good melee buff. It sports a higher bonus than just about any technique we've seen. It also increases the weapon rating you have, which basically translates to more damage. It also lets you attack people that are in your zone, but not directly next to you.
Cloak of the Wind God is very, very good. It has a very high bonus to your attack roll, it increases your weapon rating (more damage), and increases your range (crazy, crazy good). That last tidbit combined with the fact that it lets you move an additional zone away means that Kei will be very good at hitting her opponents without letting them get close enough to hit her.
Geode Coffin is... not great for us. It's not a melee jutsu which makes it hard to buff (For example, stuff like Rocket Boots won't work with it). It takes a standard action to use defensively, which means you won't be able to counterattack if used in that manner. It does have an inherent bonus to attack, but it's not impressive considering how difficult it is to otherwise boost the jutsu. In short, it would be good if it was your capstone, but borderline unusable if it's not. I do not recommend we level it.
Whirlwind Barrier is everything we hoped it would be. Very very strong. At AB 6 (Level 50s, not an insignificant amount of XP but solidly within Mari's FOOM capabilities), you need to roll above a 100 to even damage it.
Take the level of whatever skill/jutsu you are looking at, divide by 10, round down, and add 1.
In other words...
Skill/Jutsu Level | AB
0 - 9 | 1
10 - 19 | 2
20 - 29 | 3
etc etc
Effect and AB are different things. When it says that Effect is 1 to 2*AB, it means that you can cast the justu at any effect level between 1 to twice whatever your jutsu AB is. So if you had the jutsu at level 49, you could choose to cast it at effect 1, effect 10, or anywhere in between. Higher effect costs more chakra and usually has more significant effects.
You can use some jutsu to attack or defend direction (as opposed to buffing a "normal" skill like athletics or taijutsu). Leveling the jutsu will let you have a higher chance of beating your opponent's roll.
All jutsu have and AB score. The higher level the jutsu, the higher the AB is.
Strain is a smaller unit of chakra cost for jutsu.
Stress is a measure of damage taken.
Why do people think Geode Coffin won't be levelled?
Its a halfcost Skill up until Level 50 (Earthshaping) and it does both offence and defence, combining really well with Hazou's toolkit. I don't see why we should NOT level it. It would be very cheap to hit level 60 with it, and then thats AB 7 for Effect 9, aka :
- 90 Durability (117 Single-Hit to Break) as a Reflexive Standard, letting Hazou survive A LOT better.
- 81+ Offensive Rolls with just Chakra Boost, without any invokes or rerolling - and with a lot of versatility in the mode of attack
- +14 to all other earth jutsu cast from the safety of the Geode Coffin
This would just cost us ~100 days of XP at our current full FOOM 12 XP/day. And we are levelling TH very high from the lootbox alone so thats a free pyramid support (that we can use to hack in synergizing techniques!), then there is the prospective Toad Sage mentorship and so on.
Its 100% worth it as far as I can see. Lets not forget that Hazou is currently so weak that practically any jounin is more likely than not to kill him Round 1 before he can unsummon. With the technique at Level 60, he would have a decent chance of surviving an Akatsuki encounter (sure they can hit hard enough to break it, but likely not without first spending a round buffing) and would likely win against most full Jounin, even some particularly elite ones, with pretty much guaranteed survival if things go haywire.
Its a "spend 1192.5 XP to fight as a 30k XP ninja" cheat.
Its a halfcost Skill up until Level 50 (Earthshaping) and it does both offence and defence, combining really well with Hazou's toolkit. I don't see why we should NOT level it. It would be very cheap to hit level 60 with it, and then thats AB 7 for Effect 9, aka :
- 90 Durability (117 Single-Hit to Break) as a Reflexive Standard, letting Hazou survive A LOT better.
- 81+ Offensive Rolls with just Chakra Boost, without any invokes or rerolling - and with a lot of versatility in the mode of attack
- +14 to all other earth jutsu cast from the safety of the Geode Coffin
This would just cost us ~100 days of XP at our current full FOOM 12 XP/day. And we are levelling TH very high from the lootbox alone so thats a free pyramid support (that we can use to hack in synergizing techniques!), then there is the prospective Toad Sage mentorship and so on.
Its 100% worth it as far as I can see. Lets not forget that Hazou is currently so weak that practically any jounin is more likely than not to kill him Round 1 before he can unsummon. With the technique at Level 60, he would have a decent chance of surviving an Akatsuki encounter (sure they can hit hard enough to break it, but likely not without first spending a round buffing) and would likely win against most full Jounin, even some particularly elite ones, with pretty much guaranteed survival if things go haywire.
Its a "spend 1192.5 XP to fight as a 30k XP ninja" cheat.
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Null Pointer on Discord said...
...what do y'all think?
(Shameless emotional appeal: please don't make us level another earthshaping jutsu to unlock substrate. We've already spent so much xp to raise ES to level 50, trying to unlock lithosealing.)
Null Pointer on Discord said...
...what do y'all think?
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Fun fact, raising it to level 20 would automatically grant Hazō Earth Apprentice and would let him already hit with:
Geode Coffin 20 + 10 (Earth Apprentice) + 6 (Inherent Bonus) + 6 (Chakra Boost) = 42
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Geode Coffin 20 + 10 (Earth Apprentice) + 12 (Inherent Bonus) + 6 (Chakra Boost) = 48
Depending on how the QMs rule on the question I just asked in thread. This utilizes zero out of our three buff slots, too.Not bad for only 105 XP! Does anyone know hard our Taijutsu currently hits at? Assuming we don't have a severe and save our single-use Rocket Boots for a dodge.
Buy it to level one and try it out
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Like 55 I think 43+6(Macerators)+6(Chakra Boost)
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Mad Chakra Science? Don't mind if I do >:3
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Damn, Geode Coffin 29 is already hitting with:
Geode Coffin 29 + 10 (Earth Apprentice) + 6 (Inherent Bonus) + 6 (Chakra Boost) = 51
OR
Geode Coffin 29 + 10 (Earth Apprentice) + 12 (Inherent Bonus) + 6 (Chakra Boost) = 57
OR
Geode Coffin 29 + 10 (Earth Apprentice) + 12 (Inherent Bonus) + 6 (Chakra Boost) = 57
Long-term, Taijutsu is going to be superior for our default-attack because we'll have Strength of the Storm. Until we have that, though, Geode Coffin is going to be the way to go.
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Taijutsu will only matter if we waste XP levelling it, while having S-tier techniques that scale much better than it does. I don't see why we would. Getting GC 60 would let us pay half-cost for all Earth Techniques up until Level 60 while single-handedly making us a real jounin - for as cheap in XP as possible, which is exactly what we needed. We'll be paying an order of magnitude less in combat stats than others to reach peer fighter status.
Getting another element, similarly, is a very faraway concern. Heck, Lightning Element alone (500 XP) costs about as much as GC 50 (637.5 XP).
I believe our course of action right now should be to get GC 50 asap because thats the current halfcost threshold - and enough to afford Hazou a ton of safety in jounin-tier combat. We should hit that before going missing. Then PS 21 to do some Runework once we are out of the village, followed by improving combat fundamentals and hacking useful earth jutsu for pyramid supports, culminating with GC 60.
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You're assuming we won't have RRBs. They're like our next sealing project. Worth an additional 10-11 levels
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Yes, of course. Why would we not?
Think about how much stronger Haru and Shinji and Kagome and Yuno will be just a few weeks from now if we teach them Strength of the Storm instead of just hoarding it to Mari! Even Reo and Kazushi will be a lot safer from being able to massively boost their athletics rolls.
Speaking of, Reo is in-the-loop with what Earthshaping can do, right? It sure would be nice if we could just send him and a few clanmates as guards to collect gold for us. Plus, there's the whole iron for Konoha and gold for all the important Uplift projects the clan does that we won't be able to help out with personally soon….
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Thanks for the info.
Based on the info above and accounting for the blowing up of the Hyuga deal and (possibly) the one with Aburame, I think tapping into the C-rank missions market seems like a good fall-back option for passive income. I'm thinking that advertising the renting out of our portable mini-cabins alongside escort, transport guard, and caravan guard missions would boost Goketsu coffers. We'd need to cut the ninja performing these missions in on a share of the profits, but I don't think that's going to be too hard of a sell to them.
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No. ES's hidden abilities are a top tier Clan Secret, where only the "inner circle" know about it, like MARS.
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Oh, that's something we should fix next cycle. He's trustworthy, firmly in the Cult of Hazō, and would be able to help us massively by taking over our EarthShaping load.
Plus, his disability wouldn't interfere with it and he'd be able to contribute enormously to the clan on top of his TH work.
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