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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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Also fun to note: Snorri's barely an adult climbs further.

Next turn, I'm for alchemy, elvish or MPurification. Seems like the bigges bang-buck ratio.
 
i'd rather do 1b first. Alchemy ATM is a mystery box for progress. we can finish 1b next turn with 3 actions and then go further along the chain. Elvish Alchemy and Mpurification are things i want to do but i want to focus on chain first so we might be able to get it done before doing the commisions. after the commisions yeah i agree
 
IronFist said:
Also fun to note: Snorri's barely an adult climbs further.

Next turn, I'm for alchemy, elvish or MPurification. Seems like the bigges bang-buck ratio.
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Rovos said:
i'd rather do 1b first. Alchemy ATM is a mystery box for progress. we can finish 1b next turn with 3 actions and then go further along the chain. Elvish Alchemy and Mpurification are things i want to do but i want to focus on chain first so we might be able to get it done before doing the commisions. after the commisions yeah i agree
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Given how the Odd Places have been connected to Azakit and basically led into it with the context of Purification, I could see Zufazul being helpful for working towards it by filling stuff out around it, plus with 1 action its easy to squeeze in around chain.
 
BungieONI said:
Given how the Odd Places have been connected to Azakit and basically led into it with the context of Purification, I could see Zufazul being helpful for working towards it by filling stuff out around it, plus with 1 action its easy to squeeze in around chain.
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I agree. With the Rune Metal's connection to Azakit and Zufazul's apparent connection to the concept, it makes a whole lot of sense to complete part 1b and Zufazul in the same decade. Really lean in on the connection to Azakit and see if there is any synergy between the two of them like there apparently was between the Rune Metal and Azrilwut.
 
Thor's Twin said:
I agree. With the Rune Metal's connection to Azakit and Zufazul's apparent connection to the concept, it makes a whole lot of sense to complete part 1b and Zufazul in the same decade. Really lean in on the connection to Azakit and see if there is any synergy between the two of them like there apparently was between the Rune Metal and Azrilwut.
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I don't expect there to be but it'd be interesting if it was. More of what I expect out of 1b is that some vague indications of how long its really going to take (I expect 2b to give us the best grasp of that), and side progress on primary Rune Metal due to 1b necessitating exploring Gromril's physical properties and deeper considerations of why making it into chain is so difficult.
 
I don't think 1b will help alchemy at all, i see it as a different tree entirely.
We started from Gromril and climbed until we hit the MPurification. Which is the crossover point between the alchemy and the Gromril tree.
1b, i put firmly in the Gromril tree.
 
Rovos said:
i don't see why we couldn't spend it on 2b. i'd rather keep it just in case chain gives us more favour
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Spending it now is likely to be narrowing down dead ends through others notes on what they tried and din't work. Once Snorri has moved on to trying to develop a method he is likely to be treading new ground and it's possible others won't be able to help there.
 
I'd say that there could be a load of interconnections here, more than we realised.

I can actually now see a strong argument for completing the Odd Places and the related research as a priority, along with Eltharin.

The only reason I see to do Chain at the moment is political, so we have sufficient capital to make productive rather than doctrinaire choices like hiring an elven alchemist to bounce ideas off. Apart from that it doesn't seem very relevant to Snorri's goals. Exploring Alchemy seems like a much bigger deal.
 
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IronFist said:
I don't think 1b will help alchemy at all, i see it as a different tree entirely.
We started from Gromril and climbed until we hit the MPurification. Which is the crossover point between the alchemy and the Gromril tree.
1b, i put firmly in the Gromril tree.
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oh yeah i don'think it helps with Alchemy. it's just that my current priority lies with gromril chain
it's Chain---->odd places and alchemy---------->deep magic and gronti
 
BungieONI said:
I don't expect there to be but it'd be interesting if it was. More of what I expect out of 1b is that some vague indications of how long its really going to take (I expect 2b to give us the best grasp of that), and side progress on primary Rune Metal due to 1b necessitating exploring Gromril's physical properties and deeper considerations of why making it into chain is so difficult.
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Ehh, I kind of expect there to be. We got some significant progress in Rune Metal 1b, even more than Rune Metal 5, for our research of Azrilwut which seems to be a key material for insight into Akazit, with how the inclusion of the Gold Wind changes the qualities of the materials. This leads me to believe that Akazit has some solid connection to Rune Metal 1b, more than just being part of the greater Rune Metal research.

This leads to some interesting possibilities into how, exactly, one can make Gromril chain. Instead of brute-forcing it with strength on such a precise scale, would it be possible to temporarily change the physical properties of Gromril (possibly by purposefully inducing impurities?) to make it workable on the level of chain and then reversing the change to have proper Gromril in chain format? It would certainly be some strange and lateral thinking that Snorri has some experience with to reach such a conclusion.
 
Rovos said:
i don't see why we couldn't spend it on 2b. i'd rather keep it just in case chain gives us more favour
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Do you have a reason to think that we might get favour. Or are you just hoping we might because?

I've previously said that I don't expect favour out of this chain because favour represents repayment for services rendered and quid pro quos.
We aren't doing anything here that benefits the Brotherhood, and if we do turn around later and share the knowledge we've got then we'd get favour from that decision separate to completing the actions.
 
Dark as Silver said:
Do you have a reason to think that we might get favour. Or are you just hoping we might because?

I've previously said that I don't expect favour out of this chain because favour represents repayment for services rendered and quid pro quos.
We aren't doing anything here that benefits the Brotherhood, and if we do turn around later and share the knowledge we've got then we'd get favour from that decision separate to completing the actions.
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just wishfull thinking tbh. that and Favour is tied to standing and Chain seems like a thing that would increase our standing
 
Actually, one way I can see Alchemy and Master Rune of Purification research really synergising with chain research is that if we can control the process better with less energy wasted as heat it might make converting gromril chain into adamant chain much easier/possible.
Rovos said:
the thing to me is, chain is a way shorter chain, which we have an example of and can use in the near future. Alchemy and deep magic are uncharted stuff so i want to start it afterwards becouse it will likely take a lot longer
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Chain is actually probably much less charted. With Alchemy we can ask the elves either directly or via their books, with deep magic we can ask other Runelords about their research, and see its effects through various runes and effects we have available to us. Only one other dwarf, an Ancestor God, has ever made gromril chain.

Gromril chain could well be much harder than either to make significant progress.
 
Rovos said:
the thing to me is, chain is a way shorter chain, which we have an example of and can use in the near future. Alchemy and deep magic are uncharted stuff so i want to start it afterwards becouse it will likely take a lot longer
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I see your point, in that hopefully chain is a quick win. I think it might not be.

Other odd idea: runes of light + winds = camera aethyrica
 
IronFist said:
I see your point, in that hopefully chain is a quick win. I think it might not be.

Other odd idea: runes of light + winds = camera aethyrica
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i don't think it will be short, just shorter than deep magic or Alchemy. i am hoping we can get to chain before the comission afterwards i want to look into alchemy. Chain is just really usefull to have couse it makes basically all armour better we make from when we figure it out. Alchemy is usefull as is deep magic and i want to do it becouse it's great i just think it's better to do chain first
 
Wonder if we could set up some sort of eyewear, magnifying glass, or similar that makes the Winds viewable. Would go a long way to making research easier, especially if we're going to continue down the path or understanding the Winds.
 
Rovos said:
just wishfull thinking tbh. that and Favour is tied to standing and Chain seems like a thing that would increase our standing
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Ah, mechanics post info

soulcake said:
  • Gaining Favour can be done in a variety of ways. A common way of doing so will be through retainer actions and doing commissions in the Request section of the turn. Doing requests for contacts will provide large one time bonuses while retainer actions provide a smaller but more consistent way of gaining Favour. Eventually, you'll reach a point where grinding Favour for Standing becomes sort of unfeasible, but have no fear there will be chances to improve Standing directly through commissions, requests and the like!
  • The Favour Thresholds are as follows:
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Since we aren't doing this as a request or a commission this seems like a very long shot to get favour, and its kinda unrelated to making 4 rune items (their goal).
If we wanted to store favour to try and grind through the favour thresholds to boost standing that'd be a reasonable reason to not want to spend it.
 
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