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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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I'm not going to weigh in on the logic of either side's arguments, but I will ask that everyone read over what they write and really consider if the words they used are polite and won't be inflammatory intentionally or not. You cant account for people's tolerances perfectly but at least try to say your piece without saying things that can be easily construed as overly dismissive of the other side of the argument, thank you.

Please endeavour to be cordial. :^)
 
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Karugus said:
Imagine wanting to try and do mythical deeds when set in a settings era of myths. I trust Soulcake's capacity to make Snorri's commitment and productivity come to life on such a dramatic action a hell of a lot more than the condescension of two voters convinced otherwise based off little more than their opinion. We could see cartfuls of runic tools to break ground, swarms of prospectors and Brana to help aerially survey for an ideal Karak. Runic arms for all the doughty Dawi who defended their people in Dum.

Snorri near singlehandedly built part of the local Underway network by himself. Are you seriously suggesting he can't make a massive and monumental contribution to this? He was equivalent to a massive workcrew of dwarfs before he got the armor of tirelessness and a hammer with the power to literally whack materials to craft them into objects.

[X] Plan: Return of the Gift Giver
[X] Plan Santa the Hold Founder
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Someone wasn't paying attention. No, I'm not saying Snorri couldn't do it, I'm saying that he doesn't need to be a one man show. We have the option to spend an ass load of Favour on this instead of our own actions so why not just do that so we can spend those actions on other things that require said actions.

Edit: Also, I'll thank you to not spew bullshit about me being "condescending" thank you very much. Soul is a fantastic writer and it is precisely because of that that I am as invested in this quest as I am. Just as he can most likely write a great scene about Snorri cranking out tools so too can he probably write a fantastic scene about Kraka Drakk doing so instead of Snorri himself.
 
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UlseDovThur said:
Patently false. Once more, we. Are. Not. Building a Hold. We are equipping the people who will be building the Hold with TOOLS. And yes we can go overboard, it's called giving them more tools then they can even use.
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But that's also false.

soulcake said:
one devoted wholly to crafting, ordering and coordinating with the survivors of Dum to properly supply them with the material necessary to found a Hold. While technically less difficult, the sheer scale of material required will be more than enough to make such a thing quite the daunting task indeed.
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Materials, which is a far broader category than tools. We're not just runing picks and shovels, we're also (perhaps primarily) using our political and financial clout to get the Karag Dum dwarves all the stone, wood, nails, carts, ale, food, and all the other countless logistical necessities needed for such a massive construction project. And while we could make too many tools, we can't give them too many building supplies. Because dwarves can always build bigger and yet more glorious.
 
UlseDovThur said:
Someone wasn't paying attention. No, I'm not saying Snorri couldn't do it, I'm saying that he doesn't need to be a one man show. We have the option to spend an ass load of Favour on this instead of our own actions so why not just do that so we can spend those actions on other things that require said actions.
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Or we could do both. Both is good. Both is nice. Because the whole point is demonstrate how much Snorri can contribute to a problem when he pulls his gloves off. Because going whole hog is far more narratively rewarding in this quest and because we tend to get rewarded for going whole hog on things (productivity anyone?). The argument that we can spend favor and as little action as possible on a deeply personal job like this and get the exact same experience as getting personally involved and invested is missing the point.

You want to spend favor to save actions for things you consider important. We want to spend favor to demonstrate just how important this is to us and Snorri. That there is fundamentally nothing more important than reaching out and helping those who need it. We're the gift giver, not the rune researcher.
 
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[x] Plan: Gift Giver - Karak crafter, Odd delver, Tuber tester
-[X] Render Aid: [Cost: 1 retainer action] 1 Retainer Action
-[X] Hold Founding: [Cost 6 actions] Productivity Like no Other will proc. 1 Actions.
--[X] A Favour from Otrek: [Cost: 10 Favour from Kraka Drakk] 60 Kraka Drakk Favour
--[X] Clerical Aid: [Cost: 10 Favour from the Cult of Valaya] 10 Cult of Valaya Favour
-[X] Odd Places 8/10: [Cost: 1 action] Can be taken multiple times. Roll for usefulness. 1 Action.
-[X] Durazkul: [Cost: (4 -3) =1 action] Student of the Odd and Soul of the Earth will proc.
-[X] [Simple] Yorri's Request: [Cost: 2 apprentice actions] 2 Apprentice Actions.
--[X] Accept
 
[x] Plan: Gift Giver - Karak crafter, Odd delver, Tuber tester
 
Look I get you guys want to do this but 14 actions on a six action is extremely excessive. even if you don't include the ones that are locked in that's still doubling the required amount of actions called for its beyond over the top and into wasteful in the extremes.
 
Karak crafter. Hmm. Maybe I have been thinking a little too small. 14 actions seems well sufficient to make a moving mountain Gronti.
 
soul ice said:
Look I get you guys want to do this but 14 actions on a six action is extremely excessive. even if you don't include the ones that are locked in that's still doubling the required amount of actions called for its beyond over the top and into wasteful in the extremes.
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It seems like less waste and more that it doesn't really meaningfully cost us anything more than what we already planned on the spending. The idea as I see it is that while not mechanically optimal people on a narrative level want to see Snorri putting in most of effort needed to complete the request. We could've just used one action and gotten the rest with favor, but to many that would've felt like it only being a token effort that didn't feel fitting given the gravity of everything that has happened.

We have an absurd 555 favor with the royal clan, so spending 70 favor on the task to get all those extra actions doesn't mean much to us. We were otherwise just letting it pile up more or less unused, so this way we're spending some of it in a way that we're pretty sure will at least be really cool narratively even if the mechanical benefits are minimal.
 
[X] Plan Build That Hold and Poke A Potato
[X] Plan: Return of the Gift Giver

adding potato vote for the chance of Healing Vodka
 
I am not objecting to the use of favor or the amount being used I do object to using all three of Snorri's actions on it. simply drooping Snorri's actions down by one for something else still leaves twelve actions being used if you include the locked actions that's twice what is required for the action.
 
Personally I'd prefer to leave it to Otrek to decide how much favor he wants to spend, e.g. I wouldn't mind if he pans his efforts over several turns.

Poor dude must've been a plugged pressure vessel with that debt and no way to relieve it.
 
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[X] Plan Build That Hold and Rune Metal
[X] Plan Build That Hold and Take A Walk
[X] Plan: Return of the Gift Giver
[X] Plan Santa the Hold Founder
 
Karugus said:
Because going whole hog is far more narratively rewarding in this quest and because we tend to get rewarded for going whole hog on things (productivity anyone?)
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Except, you very much refuse to go whole-hog.
If you were actually doing so, you would have included CoV favors also.
Yet, you are not because that would potentially inconvenience you - not Snorri, you as players.
So please do explain why the favors of the Cult of Valaya are worth more than Snorri's actual physical time and effort? After all are those not earned by just that?
Your argument is hypocritical, not intentionally so I believe, but hypocritical nonetheless.
 
[X] Plan Build That Hold and Rune Metal
[X] Plan Build That Hold and Take A Walk
[x] Plan: Gift Giver - Karak crafter, Odd delver, Tuber tester

Every turn we end up with 5 pages of votes as everyone scrambles to put I. Their own
 
[X] Plan Build That Hold and Rune Metal
[X] Plan Build That Hold and Take A Walk
[X] Plan Build That Hold and Poke A Potato
 
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