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I mean I'm not saying that I didn't watch all of these about a week or so ago
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
I mean I'm not saying that I didn't watch all of these about a week or so ago
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omg I remember reading this as a kid, nostalgia right in my face
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At work, not sure if I'll vote for the plan (mulling over the chakra-radar idea, esp when we have so many old ideas that Jiraiya discounted for reasons that may not be valid after the Sinkhole).
Either way. I'm not sure we'll be able to get Asuma to completely agree to not reverse-engineering it (though, he may just pretend to do so). That said, we could use that as a starting point and then aim for something like "exclusive to the Goketsu and Anbu/Tower for [x] amount of years," and then (if Asuma wants it to be released to the public, like the anti Hyuuga seals were) after that duration, it's released to the public domain."
Also, we should hang out with Ami at some point. She seems a little conflicted with Leaf
Either way. I'm not sure we'll be able to get Asuma to completely agree to not reverse-engineering it (though, he may just pretend to do so). That said, we could use that as a starting point and then aim for something like "exclusive to the Goketsu and Anbu/Tower for [x] amount of years," and then (if Asuma wants it to be released to the public, like the anti Hyuuga seals were) after that duration, it's released to the public domain."
Also, we should hang out with Ami at some point. She seems a little conflicted with Leaf
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Personally I have doubts on Hazou suggesting giving a rival village, even if they are an ally, a summoning scroll would go over well. And I think Asuma wouldn't consider gaining Ami to be worth losing a summoning scroll, anyways.
Ami is rapidly becoming my favorite character. I realize we can't take character opinion as WoG/actual fact, but this is exactly what I said a couple weeks ago about destroying the Hagoromo being a massively disproportionate response.
On 1: Instead of explicitly talking about the chakradar seals, how do you feel about being more general? Tell him that since Kagome finished decrypting the notes (something else we should probably include in the conversation), we're planning on diving back into seal research and we already have a success. Ask him about general procedure for releasing seals to a small group of people (ANBU and jonin). We can then specify the chakradar and imply that we have future contributions on the way.
2 is good as long as we're sure we have the whole chakra water mechanics worked out correctly.
I'll be honest, not a huge fan of 3 - we not only lack a summon scroll and knowledge of what Mist is like right now, but Asuma has to wonder if a family bond will prevent Hana from doing her duty. Ninja, after all, and she didn't exactly show stability with the whole drowning-Mari thing. I disagree that we can "call on" Hana for mission, especially since with a hypothetical summon scroll Ren will want to keep her close to the village.
And we're not in danger of war right now - Leaf has the Goketsu relationships with some people in Mist, 3 S-rankers (incidentally, 3 more than Mist at the moment), and nearing double-digits in summoners.
If anything, the attractive part of Ami defecting is Asuma no longer has to worry about KEI and everything else Ami's doing being coopted by Mist, which probably wouldn't lose Leaf a war but might cause ridiculous amounts of intra-village chaos.
Hazou might honestly be convinced by this - it's a compelling narrative that matches up with Jiraiya smacking Zabuza out of the Game Night.
A couple comments here - like that we're not going directly to Asuma and asking for his help, I don't think that would turn out well.
On 1: Instead of explicitly talking about the chakradar seals, how do you feel about being more general? Tell him that since Kagome finished decrypting the notes (something else we should probably include in the conversation), we're planning on diving back into seal research and we already have a success. Ask him about general procedure for releasing seals to a small group of people (ANBU and jonin). We can then specify the chakradar and imply that we have future contributions on the way.
2 is good as long as we're sure we have the whole chakra water mechanics worked out correctly.
I'll be honest, not a huge fan of 3 - we not only lack a summon scroll and knowledge of what Mist is like right now, but Asuma has to wonder if a family bond will prevent Hana from doing her duty. Ninja, after all, and she didn't exactly show stability with the whole drowning-Mari thing. I disagree that we can "call on" Hana for mission, especially since with a hypothetical summon scroll Ren will want to keep her close to the village.
And we're not in danger of war right now - Leaf has the Goketsu relationships with some people in Mist, 3 S-rankers (incidentally, 3 more than Mist at the moment), and nearing double-digits in summoners.
If anything, the attractive part of Ami defecting is Asuma no longer has to worry about KEI and everything else Ami's doing being coopted by Mist, which probably wouldn't lose Leaf a war but might cause ridiculous amounts of intra-village chaos.
I'm not sure that Ami believes that BotG only happened due to Leaf-Mist interfighting. It seems pretty self-evident that the villages brought the battle to Akatsuki there and they were prepared for the endgame at that point. I think that part is referring to how Zabuza died at the BotG and how she's suspicious that he died to Akatsuki. Ami thinks that after the BotG, Leaf and Mist killed Zabuza because they knew they could dominate over Cloud/Rock/Sand who didn't have any survivors if they killed him and he didn't wreck the alliance.
Hazou might honestly be convinced by this - it's a compelling narrative that matches up with Jiraiya smacking Zabuza out of the Game Night.
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Not to mention Ami pointing out that all the other nations would've scoured the globe looking for summoning scrolls after the long-missing Pangolin Scroll resurfaced.
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Sorry, what I meant by 'BotG only happened due to the expectation of Leaf-Mist fighting' is that Akatsuki waited until they expected Zabuza to start a Leaf-Mist war (either by observing him or by setting things into motion themselves - we never did figure out who he had been talking to who convinced him to make that play) to make their play with Gaara and then the ritual on Nagi Island. If Zabuza was expected to instead spring that bombshell a week later, Gaara would have been kidnapped a week later. If Zabuza wasn't going to do it at all, Akatsuki would've waited until some other event caused two or more villages to be at war and thus too distracted to stop them.
Or at least, that's what I think Ami thinks about the situation, given that she says "As if they'd reveal themselves to the world for the sake of fighting an army of jōnin who hadn'talready massacred each other."
I think I'm confusing the sequence of events a little bit - I was thinking that Gaara got kidnapped at the Yagura fight, but that was Naruto. If that's true, Ami has a very high opinion of Akatsuki given that they were able to predict Zabuza that much - to be fair, it was the Battle of the Gods so she has a point. I actually don't know if I believe that OOC or not - maybe Akatsuki did optimally plan it, but you would think they wouldn't do it when everyone was at the Chunin Exams because that increases the likelihood of a coordinated response. I think they probably just did it as soon as they could.
True, but I didn't want to open up a whole other discussion about whether we should still try going scroll hunting or not. I'll be completely honest, I feel like we're spinning our wheels with all this political stuff. We're feeding into the system here, not revitalizing it.
We should choose a couple out of seal research, clanless ninja standing, summons, interpersonal relationships, FOOM, and external missions to really focus on after this (and presumably Isan afterwards) finishes up, because our diffuse focus hasn't produced as much in the way of concrete progress compared to, say, skywalkers or the Chunin Exams.
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Oh, oh hell, she's one of the fair folk.
No, seriously. Constantly shifting, mischievous, hates being pinned down, trading favors and making deals, obsessed with relationships and the transitive property, talks about beings more real than she is, carefree about the existence of humanity, taking refuge in a cave, refuses to give anybody food she herself has prepared, casts Hazou's gift of iron as far away as she can as fast as she can...
This opens up so many new avenues of investigation. Crap, I had things to do today.
-and we just told her about shadow clone FOOM!
No, seriously. Constantly shifting, mischievous, hates being pinned down, trading favors and making deals, obsessed with relationships and the transitive property, talks about beings more real than she is, carefree about the existence of humanity, taking refuge in a cave, refuses to give anybody food she herself has prepared, casts Hazou's gift of iron as far away as she can as fast as she can...
This opens up so many new avenues of investigation. Crap, I had things to do today.
-and we just told her about shadow clone FOOM!
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Strictly speaking, we did no such treasonous thing. We merely told her that we had access to some powerful tool for increasing personal power, and she deduced FOOM on her own.
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Maybe we're a little fae, ourselves.
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Agony that desires to meet Extinction
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Changelings at best.
Oh, well, that changes everything.
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Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
That letter makes so much more sense in light of the transitive family and Shikaku's "combine the bloodlines" project.
Also, noticing way too many fae references to nine hazel trees interacting with five streams.
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I read the letter she wrote to us way back then and all I could think of was that she was memeing. Ami is one of those people who constantly does things and then never mentions them again, is purposefully contradictory but still makes sense, somehow knows everyone and gets invited to everything, and never takes anything seriously but is somehow the smartest person you know.
That sounds like I'm trying to be poetic but I've definitely known people who are just all over the place and that's very much Ami. Someone compared her personalities to which vertices of a prism her mercury was currently weighing down, and that seems pretty accurate.
Honestly what a character.
That sounds like I'm trying to be poetic but I've definitely known people who are just all over the place and that's very much Ami. Someone compared her personalities to which vertices of a prism her mercury was currently weighing down, and that seems pretty accurate.
Honestly what a character.
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Removed Ami defection section.
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Actually mist only has 1 fewer Essie than Leaf. They have Utakata and Ryūgamine. So are on close to equal footing with Leaf
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Is Ryugamine actually an S ranker? I thought he was just a really smart jonin?
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I mean Jiraiya only gave himself a 25% chance of winning an even fight. So when you have better odds than an inside straight against the most badass man on the planet that puts you pretty close to being an essie. Add in the fact that his entire rep is about always being prepared with incredibly large amounts of overkill and you definitely got an essie
I forgot Mist got a jinchuriki back, but to be honest I feel Naruto plus 2 Sannin are still an incredible threat given the dearth of jonin+ ninja. If Ren was looking for an alliance before Zabuza and a bunch of her jonin died at BotG, I don't think she'd be any more eager for war now.
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Other way around. Jiraiya gave himself a 75% chance of winning an even fight.
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I Curse my brains inability to write what it actually means.
dang this sounds useful
@Oneiros Actually we might be able to deliver to non-Summoners. We should do more experiments with chakra water in the plan to be sure. Like using waterskins and mugs instead of teacups