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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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I'm not going to weigh in on the logic of either side's arguments, but I will ask that everyone read over what they write and really consider if the words they used are polite and won't be inflammatory intentionally or not. You cant account for people's tolerances perfectly but at least try to say your piece without saying things that can be easily construed as overly dismissive of the other side of the argument, thank you.

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One thing to consider regarding the rune trade, is that sooner or later we're going to have to deal with the fallout of our Arm Them program, of which the central complaint will be that we are treating runework as through it were an industrial task, rather than an artistic one. Now, we obviously disagree with that, but that's where the sentiment will come from. And so we need to be careful about how we treat things from here on out. We have the conservative's attention now, so we cannot just ignore our reputation anymore.

And this one line sticks out regarding that:
soulcake said:
and I'm only asking since you've traded with Lorna
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Our actions regarding rune-trade have already being being noticed by others. We're already getting a reputation for rune-trading, which isn't necessarily bad, but is something we should definitely contemplate a bit more. Because cavalier rune trading is the sort of thing that definitely seems like we're not treating runecraft with the proper respect - at least from a conservative's viewpoint. And this time it is fundamentally different than the prior times. The brotherhood is an organization with a really great reputation, so no one will gainsay us for that trade... if they even find out at all. And with Lorna, we nominated her ourselves, which already says a lot about our opinions of her skills, and her worthiness of our work. However we haven't really met or worked with Valma at all yet. While we have a positive impression of her, we don't have the same sort of connection that would make it acceptable. It would be quite the radical step to get this level of cooperation this quickly - especially as the Refuse vote seems to imply that even Snori is a bit wary of doing this. After all, keep in mind that Dwarven culture seems to consider it better for secrets to die with their maker, rather than to pass them on to the unworthy. And while that may be tragic, it's the way they think, and something we should definately keep in mind when making this decision.

And finally, the Deep magic we are using is highly tied to our current goals, and the entire thing we're doing with Barak Azimar and the concept of eternity. And if there's anything at all that Snorri would consider keeping to himself, this would be it. It ties into his greatest masterpiece, into his understanding of the concepts of eternity, and into his goals. This is definately something that we shouldn't be sharing unless we're 100% sure that the other runesmith is worthy.

[X] Position: The Front
[X] Valma: Refuse
 
Hydroplatypus said:
Our actions regarding rune-trade have already being being noticed by others. We're already getting a reputation for rune-trading, which isn't necessarily bad, but is something we should definitely contemplate a bit more. Because cavalier rune trading is the sort of thing that definitely seems like we're not treating runecraft with the proper respect - at least from a conservative's viewpoint.
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To be clear, this is because Valma and Lorna talk to each other as shown in one of the turn results. No one else really knows that you traded with her. What you do with Runes you know is your own business, conservatives aren't going to raise a stink unless it turns out that Valma fucks up with a Rune and the wider community finds out she got that Rune from you. Though that hypothetical condemnation would be an apolitical thing.

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The brotherhood is an organization with a really great reputation,
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Citation needed. You're a secretive bunch of theorists to some, and a crackpot group of radicals with too many rocks in your head to others.

No comment on the rest of your post tho, just clarifying stuff. :^)
 
[X] Valma: Refuse


[X] Position: The Back


I want everyone to consider that the enemy are already fucking with us both with the local wildlife and with trying to collapse the storm on us. Does that sound like Khorne or Nurgle to you?
It's the tricky one I can feel it in the roots of my beard.
Also remember the absolute first time we went out with a throng? Yeah we lost all our engineers and artillery.
 
Affi said:
Also remember the absolute first time we went out with a throng? Yeah we lost all our engineers and artillery.
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We also have a new armour that makes us an absolute melee tank that can anchor the front line really well, which is Why I want to go to the front. There's other rune-lords around who can protect the artillery, but with our armour we're uniquely capable of holding the front line together.
 
[X] Position: The Front

[X] Valma: Accept

I want to know what those Elgi think they know if only so we don't repeat their mistakes
 
I don't agree with the trade. Our deep infused armour was a complete fluke, and trading her stuff when we can't really offer her the knowledge she wants feels like fraud to me.

[X] Position: The Front
[X] Valma: Refuse
 
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[X] Valma: Accept

[X] Position: The Middle

Let's put ourselves in the most adaptable position. Choosing front or back will fetter us if we have to move.
 
Slaggedfire said:
I don't agree with the trade. Our deep infused armour was a complete fluke, and trading her stuff when we can't really offer her the knowledge she wants feels like fraud to me.

[X] Position: The Front
[X] Valma: Refuse
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It was a fluke in terms of how we initially unlocked it, to a point as there was quite a bit of theorycrafting put into it, but we do have runes that can lead that way: the Master Rune of Unyielding and the Master Rune of Conduction as well as just general knowledge.

We the players may not know that much, but Snorri knows more than we do as a general rule when it comes to runelore.
 
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BelligerentGnu said:
.....saaaay, Yorri, ol' buddy ol' pal...
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soulcake said:
people would assume that a very old Gronti Specialist, especially one taught by Thungni, would actually have a better idea about what the Deep magic is.

But if they do, they haven't been talking.
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... Yorri, son of Durin, son of Thungni?
And whose master was either Alric Thungnisson or Thungni Himself?

Sorry, big brain idea, I know.
 
Hydroplatypus said:
We also have a new armour that makes us an absolute melee tank that can anchor the front line really well, which is Why I want to go to the front. There's other rune-lords around who can protect the artillery, but with our armour we're uniquely capable of holding the front line together.
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I'm not arguing with that. But the front really is a very loose concept when we're dealing with enemies that can appear anywhere. And I'd like to believe that Snorri isn't the glory hog that just has to show off his cool new gear either.

I promise I will vote for Snorri being the first one in through the breach at Dum. But on the march? I really think the least defended place is where we're needed the most.
 
Affi said:
I'm not arguing with that. But the front really is a very loose concept when we're dealing with enemies that can appear anywhere. And I'd like to believe that Snorri isn't the glory hog that just has to show off his cool new gear either.

I promise I will vote for Snorri being the first one in through the breach at Dum. But on the march? I really think the least defended place is where we're needed the most.
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One of the other two Runelords is going to be going there, and another will be going to the middle. They're all equally well defended in terms of Runelord positioning and the middle is close to the rear as mentioned in its description.

Snorri is basically a supplemental unit that could freely go anywhere.
 
Another thing I worry about with the trade, is that Snorri doesn't really know all that much about the deep magic. I think Valma is expecting some sort of big insight, when Snorri's actual secret is the ridiculously potent and irreplacable troll heart he used while making the armour. Snorri might not have what Valma thinks he does, which could easily sour the relationship between the two if she feels that Snorri's insights aren't what she hoped they were.
 
Hydroplatypus said:
Another thing I worry about with the trade, is that Snorri doesn't really know all that much about the deep magic. I think Valma is expecting some sort of big insight, when Snorri's actual secret is the ridiculously potent and irreplacable troll heart he used while making the armour. Snorri might not have what Valma thinks he does, which could easily sour the relationship between the two if she feels that Snorri's insights aren't what she hoped they were.
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Master Rune of Unyielding was important for it, and the Mountainsouled combo is connected to it, less than the heart but the sheer power does come from synergy.

And using the Master Rune of Conduction on Zharrgal made something that synergized with the Deep Magic as well.
 
It would be kinda neat to make something like a new Brotherhood of Dorn except for studying Deep Magic.
..I've always wanted my own secret society *sniff

[X] Valma: Accept
[X] Position: The Middle
Snorri can safely engage even the biggest motherfuckers, but I suspect those won't conveniently be in the front.
 
Hydroplatypus said:
Another thing I worry about with the trade, is that Snorri doesn't really know all that much about the deep magic. I think Valma is expecting some sort of big insight, when Snorri's actual secret is the ridiculously potent and irreplacable troll heart he used while making the armour. Snorri might not have what Valma thinks he does, which could easily sour the relationship between the two if she feels that Snorri's insights aren't what she hoped they were.
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For the record, I had the same concern but soulcakes clarifications here have steeply dropped the bar for what I think Valma is expecting.
soulcake said:
people would assume that a very old Gronti Specialist, especially one taught by Thungni, would actually have a better idea about what the Deep magic is.

But if they do, they haven't been talking.
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I suspect that Snorris visions, deliberately invoking it in one item and accidentally in another, ontop of the Golems hes's actually made gives Snorri a better understanding than most Runelords (Which is mostly a statement of how little other Runelords understand)

More importantly much of Snorri's understanding comes from a very different angle than most as we've never heard of the deep earth being invoked anywhere but for Gronti in Warhammer canon and Gemlin remarked on the fact that our hammer was an unusually altered definition of the Makerstrike combo the update before.
 
[X] Position: The Front
[X] Valma: Accept

I'm assuming Dwalin still has his horn of taunting, so if something big does show up he can force it to attack the two of us in the front rather than hit somewhere else.
 
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