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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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[X] Yes: You will take her, devoting the effort necessary to train this young prodigy into a proper runesmith. [Cost: Lock 1 action for minimum 6 turns] [Gain: Snerra Magnasdottir, 18-year-old Prodigy would-be Runesmith]
 
IronFist said:
A 7 on 10 is not low gift. Fjolla has a stronger gift. And Snerra even stronger. If it had been a 3/10 that would have been the case.
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This was our evaluations of them, so yeah 7 is definitely not low. But the numbers don't seem to indicate a linear increase.

soulcake said:
"Bah," you say, "don't let Fjolla know I said that, but the girl's twice as good as Dolgi and Dolgi's five times better than any apprentice I've seen. Both can be Runelords, Fjolla maybe even Burudin material when she's old enough. Only if they get their arses out of their heads at some point, but I'm hopeful," you finish with finality, conviction evident.
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[X] Yes: You will take her, devoting the effort necessary to train this young prodigy into a proper runesmith. [Cost: Lock 1 action for minimum 6 turns] [Gain: Snerra Magnasdottir, 18-year-old Prodigy would-be Runesmith]
 
[X] Yes: You will take her, and have your older apprentices play a part in her learning, under your watchful eye of course. [Cost: Lock both apprentice actions for 3 turns where you gain 1 back until your older apprentices graduate] [Gain: Snerra Magnasdottir, 18-year-old Prodigy would-be Runesmith]

Curious how this will end up
 
IronFist said:
A 7 on 10 is not low gift. Fjolla has a stronger gift. And Snerra even stronger. If it had been a 3/10 that would have been the case.
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I think a 3/10 wouldn't even have enough talent to become a runesmith. You have to keep in mind that Runesmithing is a profession where you either have the gift or you don't. There's probably a minimum amount of talent that a Master Runesmith or Runelord requires for them to take an apprentice seeing as they don't want to shame themselves because an apprentice is a direct reflection on the master. But on the other hand, I see runesmithing as something where as long as you have enough talent, you could probably go far with it. Fear not the person more talented than you, fear the person who is more talented and works harder than you.
 
[X] Yes: You will take her, and have your older apprentices play a part in her learning, under your watchful eye of course. [Cost: Lock both apprentice actions for 3 turns where you gain 1 back until your older apprentices graduate] [Gain: Snerra Magnasdottir, 18-year-old Prodigy would-be Runesmith]

Give Snorri a chance to assess his apprentices ability to teach and correct any possible deficiencies before they go off and get apprentices of their own decades down the line. Also, they're what? Well over halfway to finishing their apprenticeship? Seems a decent time to pick up the next apprentice, even if she is going to be a ridiculous prodigy.

Also, if Snerra gets runesmithing traits like Dolgi and Fjolla got? Letting her interact with more runesmiths, apprentices or not, will give her a wider pool to draw from for specialties. Hell, as a seemingly ludicrous prodigy she might have an even easier time drawing multiple specialties.

Also, at what point does Snorri's side of the family get a good look at from other Dawi families? They had thin blood for the gift, from the intro anyway. Snorri is a runelord in apparently damn near record time. His grandniece is a prodigy. And then in comes Snerri who's even more broken.

For thin blood/being far down the line of descent they're making a good cause to marry high.
 
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Nix's Warden said:
Doesn't really matter how nice a person someone else is. Watching someone decades your junior effortlessly completely exercise you struggled with, catch up to you, and then surpass what you've learned, burns.
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Very much this. I had this with my older brother. I managed to place in top 200 in an exam (taken by thousands). He placed top 20. Its been ages now, and i still remember the expectations.
That Snerra is so much younger and so naturally gifted probably stings a bit more.
 
Not sure if this was asked yet but is there any real difference between teaching her alone and with the other apprentices? Because I get the feeling that people believe that teaching her personally would have better results but prefer to know for sure.
 
Red Bovine said:
Not sure if this was asked yet but is there any real difference between teaching her alone and with the other apprentices? Because I get the feeling that people believe that teaching her personally would have better results but prefer to know for sure.
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The results are technically the same, she wont be worse if the apprentices take part, but there will be a difference both narratively and when Snerra becomes an ordained Master.
 
maplejvl said:
I think a 3/10 wouldn't even have enough talent to become a runesmith. You have to keep in mind that Runesmithing is a profession where you either have the gift or you don't. There's probably a minimum amount of talent that a Master Runesmith or Runelord requires for them to take an apprentice seeing as they don't want to shame themselves because an apprentice is a direct reflection on the master. But on the other hand, I see runesmithing as something where as long as you have enough talent, you could probably go far with it. Fear not the person more talented than you, fear the person who is more talented and works harder than you.
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Otoh, i think that the gift is rare enough that even a 1/10 would have a chance at finding a master. They would just have a longer apprenticeship, struggle more to get their master's seal of approval.
"Waste not, want not" is a very valid piece of ancestral wisdom
 
[X] Yes: You will take her, and have your older apprentices play a part in her learning, under your watchful eye of course. [Cost: Lock both apprentice actions for 3 turns where you gain 1 back until your older apprentices graduate] [Gain: Snerra Magnasdottir, 18-year-old Prodigy would-be Runesmith]
 
soulcake said:
The results are technically the same, she wont be worse if the apprentices take part, but there will be a difference both narratively and when Snerra becomes an ordained Master.
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Ah in that case:

[X] Yes: You will take her, and have your older apprentices play a part in her learning, under your watchful eye of course. [Cost: Lock both apprentice actions for 3 turns where you gain 1 back until your older apprentices graduate] [Gain: Snerra Magnasdottir, 18-year-old Prodigy would-be Runesmith]

From a practical standpoint one of the major issues that lead to the decline of Dwarfs was due to rune knowledge getting lost due to many of them dying during the hard times. Which was likely not helped with the master student tradition where usually a runelord takes up only one student and takes literally decades to raise them up. Encouraging a system that teaches multiple students would likely seriously help out down the line. Especially taking into account that Snerra is an insanely talented dwarf that would have been picked up by Thungi is he had noticed.

Now may be a really good opportunity to encourage a very talented dwarf that has the potential to be a legendary runelord that may carry the idea of teach multiple students that is further helped with her being so young. We have a great opportunity here and I think we should take it.
 
IronFist said:
Very much this. I had this with my older brother. I managed to place in top 200 in an exam (taken by thousands). He placed top 20. Its been ages now, and i still remember the expectations.
That Snerra is so much younger and so naturally gifted probably stings a bit more.
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Dwarves have a bit of a different pyschology about this though. So this might happen, or it might be that they get a chance to jump on the "Plaitling, what is this rubbish!" train a bit early, and enjoy themselves. Personally I think the latter is more likely, Snorri is a pretty good teacher.
 
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[X] Yes: You will take her, devoting the effort necessary to train this young prodigy into a proper runesmith. [Cost: Lock 1 action for minimum 6 turns] [Gain: Snerra Magnasdottir, 18-year-old Prodigy would-be Runesmith]
 
Thomasfoolery said:
Dwarves have a bit of a different pyschology about this though. So this might happen, or it might be that they get a chance to jump on the "Plaitling, what is this rubbish!" train a bit early, and enjoy themselves. Personally I think the latter is more likely, Snorri is a pretty good teacher.
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Thats just giving the beardlings a chance to get to big for their britches.
Being overly critical is an elder's privilege.
 
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IronFist said:
Otoh, i think that the gift is rare enough that even a 1/10 would have a chance at finding a master. They would just have a longer apprenticeship, struggle more to get their master's seal of approval.
"Waste not, want not" is a very valid piece of ancestral wisdom
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Hmm fair enough, we'll need a confirmation from the QM on the minimum talent it takes to become a runesmith. We can assume that a power level of one is a baseline dwarf, and it takes something like a power level of 5 to become a runesmith. Or it could be something like a 1 is the bare minimum needed to become a runesmith, a 5 is a pretty good runesmith, and anything higher than 7 or above has runelord potential.
 
IronFist said:
Very much this. I had this with my older brother. I managed to place in top 200 in an exam (taken by thousands). He placed top 20. Its been ages now, and i still remember the expectations.
That Snerra is so much younger and so naturally gifted probably stings a bit more.
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There's been a couple times something similar has come up in quest. One time Snorri mentions that it isn't rare to have apprentices damn near feud against each other because of talent.

Another time is when Snorri mentions the fact a decent chunk of the Legend a Runelord will make is attributed to their master. Snerri might be the equivalent of raw Gromril ore right now. But Snorri is going to turn her into adamant, and that's what a lot of people will think of centuries down the line when Snerri is famous. "This was the greatest gift Snorri Gift-Giver ever gave the Dawi as a whole."

Having that being known that Snorri had his nearly there apprentices start Snerri out and help her learn the ropes? They'd get some of the same kudos Snorri would get.
 
Question: If we'd like to do some testing to figure out some runic combos that don't involve master runes, would that be a research action, or do we have to experiment using requests?
 
I wonder if it'll lead to greater possibilities/chances of collaboration. Whether between all three of Fjolla and Dolgi and Snerra, or between Fjolla and Dolgi as they spend decades training and helping one person. Or maybe, assuming it goes well that is, it'll just make Fjolla and Dolgi more inclined to take students of their own, or take them sooner because they've had teaching experience, when they become Masters. Or maybe it just means that Fjolla and Dolgi feel more involved in things, feel greater camaraderie, because it's not just a new apprentice their Master has taken, but somebody and something they themselves are contributing to too.

[X] Yes: You will take her, and have your older apprentices play a part in her learning, under your watchful eye of course. [Cost: Lock both apprentice actions for 3 turns where you gain 1 back until your older apprentices graduate] [Gain: Snerra Magnasdottir, 18-year-old Prodigy would-be Runesmith]

Either way, I think it'll be neat. :) ... I just, hope it goes well, of course... But if it does, neat! :)
 
[X] Yes: You will take her, and have your older apprentices play a part in her learning, under your watchful eye of course. [Cost: Lock both apprentice actions for 3 turns where you gain 1 back until your older apprentices graduate] [Gain: Snerra Magnasdottir, 18-year-old Prodigy would-be Runesmith]

Given her talent I think this might have a chance of her picking up traits from both us and the apprentices?
And also giving our apprentices a Teaching related trait.
 
Captain Spatula said:
There's been a couple times something similar has come up in quest. One time Snorri mentions that it isn't rare to have apprentices damn near feud against each other because of talent.
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That bit was actually what made me more comfortable with them helping out. it might just have been the rolls and Snorri back patting himself but.

soulcake said:
You need not hide your quiet grin turned away from them as you are, easily hearing the two of them mutter congratulations and offer pats on the back to the other as they work to clean up after their respective messes. A blessing that the two of them got along so well, you've seen fellow apprentices grow into jealous and bitter enemies when one showed more ability than the other. Never any of yours of course. You made sure that sort of nonsense never happened by picking individuals who would mesh well and by maintaining an impartial level of disappointment at all times.

A beardling's foolishness was expected. A teacher was equally expected to reign their nonsense in from time to time.
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This passage gave me the impression he's pretty good at managing tensions productively.
 
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[X] Yes: You will take her, and have your older apprentices play a part in her learning, under your watchful eye of course. [Cost: Lock both apprentice actions for 3 turns where you gain 1 back until your older apprentices graduate] [Gain: Snerra Magnasdottir, 18-year-old Prodigy would-be Runesmith]
 
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