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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
Noumero
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I'm missing something here: what is the relevance? The way I see it, the rankings are now:
1. Nara Shikamaru
2. Yamanaka Ino
3. Akimichi Chouji
4. Gouketsu Hazou
5. Gouketsu Keiko
6. Gouketsu Noburi
7. Unknown-1.
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16. Unknown-10.
Unknowns-N could be shuffled around, but the first six spots are locked-in; no word-halves trickery (short of maybe giving all of them to one individual) will affect this.2. Yamanaka Ino
3. Akimichi Chouji
4. Gouketsu Hazou
5. Gouketsu Keiko
6. Gouketsu Noburi
7. Unknown-1.
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16. Unknown-10.
What I am missing?
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I've considered that. I think seeding is mostly irrelevant.
Likely, it will be done March-Madness style if its done that way at all.
As such: we should avoid being in the middle 4.
If we're pessimistic and assume these are worth a lot, we should give them a little under half. That might get them into the tournament. It will also prevent them from displacing us.
Even if the word halves are worth 1,000,000 each, then we are snugly at 1st, Team K gets bumped to 2nd, and ISC is in 3rd. Not ideal for ISC, but it serves the Joint ISC + Goketsu political purposes very well: this still leaves the possibility of an all Goketsu semifinals.
At the very worst: This fucks over our Round 2 Teammates.
Consider the above.
Also there is a possibility that Ren is a fucking memelord, and that No word-half = "Hon hon hon le autofail" or some shit like that. (Excuse my french).
This is entirely possible.
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I made a comment about this earlier but the gist is that points will likely not affect the seeding. Mist has a vested interest in manipulating the brackets and they will do so to the extent that they can get away with, just like have they done to us in the previous events.
Also for those discussing Team Kurenai and word halves: It is likely they will funnel all their halves to Hinata for her to advance so it might still work out.
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Why would they do that? I don't see what Shino and Kiba get from this. Sure their clans are sorta supporting Hiashi, but are they doing it to this extent?
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What about people who kept word-halves they stole from other people in the barracks, or otherwise in a place where we didn't get them when we searched them?
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Oh to hell with this. @eaglejarl @Velorien @OliWhail What is Keiko's opinion on word-halves/the First Event, do we need all the word-halves we've gotten in order to secure a tournament spot?
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Noumero
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Also, @eaglejarl, @Velorien, @OliWhail, how many word-halves do we have?
How many of them do you think there are? It also assumes that they count. Maybe only word-halves of the people still in the running count (72 of them). Otherwise, one of these is true:
- We could have taken word-halves of disqualified Leaf contestants after Events 3 and 4.
- Taking word-halves of disqualified contestants is an allowed form of cheating that the proctors watch out for, but not too hard.
- Proctors magically know whether a word-half of a disqualified contestant was taken before that contestant was disqualified or after.
Maybe they're friends or something.
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Probably for the same reason we would? If you have the choice of no one going to the tournament and one person going then you obviously pool the halves on the person with the highest chance to win. From what we have seen that will not be Kiba, so now it's between Shino and Hinata.
Out of those two I give Hinata a slight edge. But this is before politics and I think Kiba and Shino both understand it would make sense to send at least one Hyuuga to the tournament to a) compensate for Neji's faux pas and b) to show off one of the strongest if not the strongest Leaf clans right now.
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And that. I keep having to remind myself that not everyone is as pragmatic or cutthroat as us sometimes being friends could be enough of a reason.
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Emstar
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I said 1,000,000 there to illustrate the rankings point (it doesn't matter what we do to the rankings).
In all likelihood no one has enough amassed word halves to contest us in this way. Even if the point value is ~30 per word half, I don't think this should be a problem if we only give Team Kurenai a bit under half.
Even half of all the word halves we have is a ludicrous amount. We tried collecting these explicitly before this event to no avail.
Also I note that @Noumero was assuming that all previously collected word halves count (as long as they werent done after disqual).
I would find it a likelier assumption that only people still in the running have "active" word halves that give points, lets say.
In that case: we basically have 'em all.
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Do you want to assume they don't?
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We'll likely need to beg for QM input since we need to know the word halves count. And the mathematical issue of "How the hell are they making the ding dang finals? Why did Shika say that?" is driving me up a wall.
Also, I'm a bit skeptical that Hinata opened up the universe's input console with a ' ~ ' and proceeded to throw in cheats like no tomorrow a la "whosyourdaddy" and "greedisgood 298" to get the scores used in Noumero's estimates. But, it could be possible that everyone on ISC + our Round 1 and Round 2 teams were just that damn bad.
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They... didn't? Huh. Okay.
My estimate is more pessimistic, so I'll stick to it, but well spotted.
I think it's better for us if they count, since I'm pretty sure we have most of them anyway. So yes, I want to assume that they don't.
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I presume we were at the bottom score, or very close to it, with (50 + 315 - 223) 142 points
And a fully pessimistic estimate of Kurenai entering the last event (maximum scorer) was 648.
So 500 pts difference should see anyone into the tournament over Kurenai, and 250 should suffice for the middle of the pack.
Our R2 teammates had 260 over the optimistic Kurenai score, and I would be shocked if some of Ren's allied Mist clans weren't middling scorers on our team. It is plausible that just a few word halves would overcome that difference, so at bare minimum we could allocate like 9-12 of our stash.
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And a fully pessimistic estimate of Kurenai entering the last event (maximum scorer) was 648.
So 500 pts difference should see anyone into the tournament over Kurenai, and 250 should suffice for the middle of the pack.
Our R2 teammates had 260 over the optimistic Kurenai score, and I would be shocked if some of Ren's allied Mist clans weren't middling scorers on our team. It is plausible that just a few word halves would overcome that difference, so at bare minimum we could allocate like 9-12 of our stash.
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Emstar
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Until QM intervention comes along to clarify this mess I move we stay with keeping it as is ( lets say 1/4 of our word halves going to ISC and Kurenai, each).
That should be like, 12 or so. So if @Adept_Woodwright 's estimates are moderately precise this will split the difference.
Regardless, it will be left to Deus Ex Ren (the QMs) to figure out, and in a way that can't threaten our supremacy on the word-halves market.
Edit: I find it exceedingly unlikely anyone has a larger stash than 1/2 of our current total.
That should be like, 12 or so. So if @Adept_Woodwright 's estimates are moderately precise this will split the difference.
Regardless, it will be left to Deus Ex Ren (the QMs) to figure out, and in a way that can't threaten our supremacy on the word-halves market.
Edit: I find it exceedingly unlikely anyone has a larger stash than 1/2 of our current total.
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Alright, this seems fair.
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Great stuff MMKII
Suggestions:
Possible emphasis: this is not charity. They saved our sorry asses in the fourth event, and we pay our debts.
Possible addition: in the unlikely event that we get 1st, 2nd, and 3rd, a "spontaneous" cheer of "Second Sannin!" would be nive.
Do we want to talk to Akane or Neji in this section?
Great stuff MMKII
Suggestions:
Possible emphasis: this is not charity. They saved our sorry asses in the fourth event, and we pay our debts.
Possible addition: in the unlikely event that we get 1st, 2nd, and 3rd, a "spontaneous" cheer of "Second Sannin!" would be nive.
Do we want to talk to Akane or Neji in this section?
Noumero
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Yep. And yes, I now find it more plausible that one-fourth will suffice. Go ahead.
Really depends on how many word-halves count and how much they're worth. But I think @MMKII is correct that this is information we don't have, and in absence of it speaking about % of our stash instead of exact number of word-halves is more convenient.
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Emstar
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Yes, I will add this. Very good point.
I'm confused, whatdya mean?
I would totally talk to Neji! I feel like the Akane thing is way too big a minefield to happen in an update that contains all the above. We can do it in the very next one to speed this along (after we get Hana's advice as well!).
I put a thing but removed it. Originally it was a "talk with Akane" and a sappy "We'll always be friend, right?" bit too at the end....
She was worried that that was in question! Y'know, and I just felt we needed... to...
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I want the Yakuza to plant people in the audience to cheer "Second Sannin!" if Team Uplift wins first, second, and third in the tournament. Its appropriate, because my understanding is that the Sannin are the only other team to have done so. "Little Sannin" also works, as Sannin were S ranked by the time they got the title, and we aren't anywhere near that.
Depending on the structure, it might not be possible. We might face each other before the semifinals.