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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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eaglejarl said:
'Reasonable', huh? Looks like I get to be on the other side for once. Hold my beer.

Me: Ooh, ooh, MMKII, a few questions about henge! When you're under henge...
  • If it's a chakra construct, is your physical body inside it or shunted off to another dimension or what?
  • How dense are you when you're henged? More or less than normal?
  • If less dense than normal, does that mean you get a stealth bonus because your footprints aren't as deep / you don't exert as many newtons on things that might creak / etc?
  • Can you eat or drink?
  • Can you be poisoned?
  • Can you excrete?
  • Can you suffocate?
  • Can you catch a disease? Will the disease still be there when the henge pops?
  • If an eyelash naturally falls off, does that break your henge?
  • If a hair naturally falls off, does that break your henge?
  • If someone pulls one hair out of your scalp, does that break your henge?
  • If someone pulls a thread out of your shirt, does that break your henge?
  • How about if it's just one fiber?
  • If one fiber doesn't matter, what happens if you pull the entire suit of clothes apart, one fiber at a time?
  • If you clip your nails, does that break your henge? Does it matter how much of your nail you clip off?
  • Can you integrate material back into a henge -- e.g., sewing a patch on a henged shirt without popping it?
  • Can you take off your henged shirt? Does it matter if you're still touching it?
  • Can you henge into a person who is 50' tall but not very dense so the mass stays the same? How about 1" tall but super dense?
  • You're carrying a bunch of gear and you henge into a form that is naked. Can you still get to the gear?
  • Where do the things that you're wearing/carrying go when you henge?
  • Can you henge away seals?
  • Can you henge seals into existence?
  • Could you henge away Zabuza's sword?
  • How about Asuma's chakra-metal knives?
  • How about a summoning contract?
  • In order to be affected by a genjutsu the user must (normally) be able to see your eyes. Do henged eyes count?
  • If you're bleeding and you henge into a non-bleeding form, are you still bleeding inside the henge?
  • If you're drowning, can you henge into yourself except with oxygen in your lungs instead of water?
  • If you're in a poisonous atmosphere or a vacuum can you keep henging into "myself-with-oxygen-in-lungs" in order to not be affected?
  • Can you henge into yourself but with six arms? Or a tail? Or a forked tongue? Or eagle eyes so that your eyes work like a telescope? Or yourself but with eyes in the back of your head as well as the front?
  • Can you henge into a smarter version of yourself?
  • Can you henge into yourself with a Wakahisa chakra system?
  • If Keiko henges into a copy of Hazō, does she get to use the Iron Nerve?
  • Can you always exactly reproduce a henge you've used before, or do you have to worry about maybe not getting the details right?
  • Are henges strong enough to last through sex? How vigorous can the sex be? (Assume all parties are adults.) Does it make any difference if...how to put this?...if there's no "tab A into slot B" action?
  • If henge can survive sex, can you get pregnant if you have sex while henged?
  • If you're drunk, can you henge into 'yourself without alcohol in your blood'?
  • If you're hungry, can you henge into 'yourself, but with food in your belly'?
  • If you're tired, can you henge into 'yourself, but not tired'?
  • What happens to your physical body while you're henged? Does it continue to age? If not, how does it form memories?
  • If I can henge into people and objects, why can't I henge into animals?
That's what I got without trying, and I could keep going. This technique is a friggin' nightmare as a QM.

(Sidebar: Anyone who asks any of these questions will be thwapped with a herring. After that, the QMs will start getting...creative...in sharing our resulting headaches. Mwahahaha.)


Yes, but that's where we are now. :<


That's hard to depict on the page, though -- something ceasing to work is easy, because you simply show people trying and failing to use it. If they actually forget about it, what do you write?
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I mean I would earnestly volunteer (and I do) to spend the rest of the exam arc mulling over a solution. It'll probably start with seeing how the Dresden files RPG (and some others) handle shape shifting and veils and checking our rules and seeing if there's any modifications or additions that can be made etc.

But the fundamental problem (not that I was suggesting it was an easy one) is still answering the question "What the absolute fuck is going on when these people create quasi-solid things from chakra?" . To which there might not really be an answer at all, without an annoying amount of casework stipulated into the how's and what's of the specific technique.

But I do think a general framework is possible, yes
 
eaglejarl said:
That's hard to depict on the page, though -- something ceasing to work is easy, because you simply show people trying and failing to use it. If they actually forget about it, what do you write?
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Chapter Next: The Next Chapter

Hazou clambered to his feet and began a familiar handseal, but then stopped abruptly and scratched his head instead. "Huh. That was weird. Did you feel anything?"

"What? No--Hazou, we have more important things to worry about!" Noburi replied, adjusting his disguise. "What's the plan?"

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AN: Henge is so broken and caused the QMs so much grief that we had to have @OliWhail go back into the story and initiate a cascading sealing failure to remove it from everyone's collective memory. We regret to inform you that while he is perfectly fine in all other respects, he now sometimes sneezes when abruptly exposed to direct sunlight, and remembers this always being the case. (Preliminary research suggests this may not be an isolated event -- we are hoping no one notices.)

Regarding Henge, it is now the case that no one remembers it ever existed, and no one notices it didn't never-exist yesterday. People who relied on it and were any good with it wonder why they're getting worse with ordinary disguise jutsu (which always existed, but no one cared because Henge). The exploits of infiltration-spec ninja of the past will slowly become the thing of legend as no one can reproduce their success. Additionally, anyone who thinks too long or hard about the subject gets distracted and their mind wanders, similar to what happens when you are falling asleep.

Regarding Disguise Jutsu, this is a simple technique which produces and arranges immaterial, chakra-based objects and prosthetics which can be worn as if they were normal objects. Any sudden damage above a fairly low threshold will dispel the effect entirely. One cannot gain any new abilities with this effect; it is an illusory and visual change only.

Apologies for the short early update, but I'm getting rather tired and my mind keeps wandering.
 
eaglejarl said:
That's what I got without trying, and I could keep going. This technique is a friggin' nightmare as a QM.
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ME, A FEW ITEMS IN: If I were building henge from the ground up, I would say that your body gets shunted into a timeless alternate dimension, but your brain doesn't, and the jutsu builds you a chakra-construct humanoid body to surround your brain with. You can't cast henge again without first dispelling it and reverting to your original body. The chakra-construct has to be able to biologically support your brain, otherwise you die. If you have the biological understanding to make a bloodline work then you can henge a bloodline (do you recognise the term "amino acid"? You don't? You lack the required expertise, no bloodline-henge for you), but the default henge is a biologically ordinary human. And any bloodline that interfaces with the brain would fail completely because your brain doesn't change. You can slow your ageing by storing your body in the alternate dimension, but you still get Alzheimer's because your brain is never stored and continues to age normally.

ME, HAVING FINISHED THE LIST: Fuck it, feed the thing to a grue.
 
Roomba said:
Attacking another ninja comes with its own problems. It may not be easy without breaking their Henge, and doing that risks DQ if a proctor happens to see it. There is a point in the plan that says to ambush and drain someone in the maze if it can be done safely.
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That's fair, certainly do the below first but we should have a contingency if Team Asuma doesn't agree

For Team Asuma, the policy is that we warn them, and then, if they express interest in joining, extract a payment in chakra. We're not asking for assistance, as we don't really need it.
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Fair enough. I agree.
How about a plot to release gas in the manor that is supposed to induce extreme sneezing? Ninja would fear this would break their Henge, while civilians would just shrug at the inscrutable ninja silliness.
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Do we have sneezing gas on hand? We could maybe do some sort of smokebomb thing combined with some black pepper and or pollen?
We're doing the Second Level Game. Do you also want to do improv somehow indicating Hazou is a Leaf traitor?
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I don't see directly how this helps ferret out our contact
 
For real though. Having just tried and failed to balance Henge, do actually feed it to a grue. You shouldn't have to deal with this crap. Just use some of that Kishimotium to save us from research committees please.
 
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MMKII said:
Do we have sneezing gas on hand? We could maybe do some sort of smokebomb thing combined with some black pepper and or pollen?
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No idea if such a gas exists, but I'm pretty sure other candidates won't know either. I'd rather not actually do it, as we can get DQd if it causes anyone to break their Henge, and I don't think we have any safe delivery mechanisms for it. I just wanted to have a threat people would have to watch out for that isn't quite as lethal as a bomb.

Anyone against replacing the bomb threat with the sneezing gas threat?
 
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As a suggestion, what if henge just interacts with light as if it was whatever material it is pretending to be, but is immaterial to any form of matter? You could henge into anything larger than yourself (within certain limits), but it's effectively an illusion.
Or, better yet, why don't we just give it the same rules as DnD 5e Disguise Self? It's an illusion, it has specific things you can do with it, and it doesn't work for anything else because (chakra) magic.
 
Roomba said:
[X] Meta: Feed Henge to a Grue



No idea if such a gas exists, but I'm pretty sure other candidates won't know either. I'd rather not actually do it, as we can get DQd if it causes anyone to break their Henge, and I don't think we have any safe delivery mechanisms for it. I just wanted to have a threat people would have to watch out for that isn't quite as lethal as a bomb.

Anyone against replacing the bomb threat with the sneezing gas threat?
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Por que no los dos?
 
faflec said:
We should check this with Noburi to be safe. After all, if a civilian dies due to having a heart condition it's on Akane. And that would be bad.
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For reference, that temperature is used because I asked a personal fitness expert what temperatures would be safe but make people sweat.
 
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MadScientist said:
ME, A FEW ITEMS IN: If I were building henge from the ground up, I would say that your body gets shunted into a timeless alternate dimension, but your brain doesn't, and the jutsu builds you a chakra-construct humanoid body to surround your brain with. You can't cast henge again without first dispelling it and reverting to your original body. The chakra-construct has to be able to biologically support your brain, otherwise you die. If you have the biological understanding to make a bloodline work then you can henge a bloodline (do you recognise the term "amino acid"? You don't? You lack the required expertise, no bloodline-henge for you), but the default henge is a biologically ordinary human. And any bloodline that interfaces with the brain would fail completely because your brain doesn't change. You can slow your ageing by storing your body in the alternate dimension, but you still get Alzheimer's because your brain is never stored and continues to age normally.

ME, HAVING FINISHED THE LIST: Fuck it, feed the thing to a grue.
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SEE?! SEE?! NOW YOU HAVE SOME INKLING OF OUR PAIN!!! I FRIGGIN' TOLD YOU!! IT'S A FRIGGIN' NIGHTMARE FROM THE BAD NEIGHBORHOOD ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE TRACKS IN THE OUT!

What? No, I'm fine, doctor. No, totally calm. Please, I don't need another treatment. I'll be quiet, really.

MadScientist said:
For real though. Having just tried and failed to balance Henge, do actually feed it to a grue. You shouldn't have to deal with this crap. Just use some of that Kishimotium to save us from research committees please.
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I offer all the lurrrvvv to the people voting to feed the grue. 'lurrv' will mean 'XP' if I can get away with it and the other QMs are convinced to go along with this, but don't tell them I wrote this and I hope they haven't installed the 'see invisible text' addon yet.

Also, note that voting closes in 12.5 hours, if I'm doing my timezone conversions properly.
Adhoc vote count started by eaglejarl on Jun 19, 2018 at 6:21 PM, finished with 371 posts and 11 votes.
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