Paths of Civilization

Kiba · Feb 25, 2018

ctulhuslp said:
Okay folks, what techs do we need to get Railroad soon? How do we get steam engine and mass produced steam?
I'd say we need to invent copyright law and patent law and let people go ahead with inventions for days, but I don't see the "get IP laws" in the options list so far.

IP laws can be rather counterproductive to innovations since inventors can potentially spend more time suing each other as opposed to inventing shit and investing in businesses, especially since inventions are built on previous innovations.

And since IP are monopolies, it's a rather fertile area for rent-seeking, lobbying, and all sort of other shenanigans.

Finite · Feb 25, 2018

[X] [War] Stayed neutral (2x)
[X] [Rounds] Begin Industrial Age play

Adhoc vote count started by Finite on Feb 25, 2018 at 6:13 PM, finished with 145496 posts and 92 votes.

62 people have voted
[X] [Rounds] Begin Industrial Age play
- OliWhail
- StellarMonarch
- Piren'e Colass
- Arbit
- Umi-san
- Arlos
- Pyran
- Yeangst
- sunrise
- Lydia
- agumentic
- PyroTechno
- Tetsurou
- ThatGazzer
- Taut_Templar
- Horologer
- Damian45
- wingstrike96
- Somebodynobody10
- Frankite316
- minerva-n-memes
- mcclay
- Empere
- McLuvin
- Cerillian
- notgreat
- limedragonfire
- Manget
- Raichu1972
- Prince Kyros
- Chargone
- Kiba
- PoptartProdigy
- Trinity Reformed
- PrimalShadow
- Amador
- 8bitBob
- Satsuma Red
- bryanfran36
- No7sHere
... and 22 more.
47 people have voted
[X] [War] Offered support to the Hespranxer Republicans (no major allies, UPM currently making supportive noises but has no capacity to interfere) (0.1x)
- Citino
- Timewinders
- butchock
- Chiperninerm
- Xantalos
- 2xMachina
- Enso
- LuciDreamer
- Blackgutter
- Sivantic
- OliWhail
- StellarMonarch
- Piren'e Colass
- Arbit
- Umi-san
- Arlos
- Pyran
- Yeangst
- sunrise
- Lydia
- agumentic
- PyroTechno
- Tetsurou
- ThatGazzer
- Taut_Templar
- Horologer
- Damian45
- wingstrike96
- Somebodynobody10
- Frankite316
- minerva-n-memes
- mcclay
- Empere
- McLuvin
- Cerillian
- notgreat
- limedragonfire
- Manget
- Raichu1972
- ScreenWatcher
... and 7 more.
34 people have voted
[x] [War] Stayed neutral (2x)
- Ancient Scholar
- SeptimusMagisto
- DakkaMania
- PLP
- kalugin
- Yorick's Skull
- Prince Kyros
- Chargone
- Kiba
- PoptartProdigy
- Trinity Reformed
- PrimalShadow
- Amador
- 8bitBob
- Satsuma Red
- bryanfran36
- No7sHere
- JamesShazbond
- Katsuragi
- cogsteeth
- gutza1
- Tango
- Karugus
- HanEmpire
- Terrastorm
- SyntheticSynthia
- Dieb
- ctulhuslp
- George
- Finite
- DkArthas
- tenchifew
- SMY
- ScreenWatcher
11 people have voted
[X] [Rounds] Keep going
- PLP
- kalugin
- Yorick's Skull
- Random Member
- veekie
- Spacegnom
- Miner238
- Wiadi
- drasteed
- Elbrasch
- sidestory
10 people have voted
[X] [War] Joined in on the Alliance to Restore the Monarchy (major participants: Vortuga, Sketch, Tortun, Etal, Halvyni) (1x)
- Neshuakadal
- TotallyNotEvil
- Killer_Whale
- Oirbse
- DkArthas
- tenchifew
- SMY
- godofsmallthings
- keenscythe
- sidestory
1 people have voted
[X] [Rounds] Begin Industrial Age play
- jamie96969

Academia Nut · Feb 25, 2018

PrimalShadow said:
Your latest iteration says that "Every 2 points SoL above Consciousness, increase Happiness by 1 Point" and "When Standard of Living is less than Consciousness, reduce Happiness by the difference until balance corrected"; the bolded part could be removed without loss of clarity.

You won't consider just dropping that penalty? Does there really need to be a special mechanical effect to of high happiness?

...we can just manufacture Political Support out of thin air? Wouldn't we just start churning Political Support, same way we did with Divine Power back in Amber Age?

You'll note that there is a cap of 10 PW currently. This is basically if you can't quite figure out what to do, you can stash support away for a turn to when you will hopefully have more of whatever resources you need available. For some more sophisticated governments, actively building it up can be more useful, so the action is kind of included for the sake of completeness at this point.

George · Feb 25, 2018

HeWhoAdds said:
There is a PW cap, so we can't have more than 10 at a time.

Granted, that still means we should take 2 Build Support actions every turn, as it's effectively free PW after the first turn of investment.

We may well have better things to do with actions than produce resources and may find it tolerable to limit PW spending to 5 per turn.

HeWhoAdds · Feb 25, 2018

George said:
We may well have better things to do with actions than produce resources and may find it tolerable to limit PW spending to 5 per turn.

Pretty sure we can take as many actions as we have Political Will to spend, so we're literally buying more actions with Build Support

Korporati · Feb 25, 2018

[X] [War] Offered support to the Hespranxer Republicans (no major allies, UPM currently making supportive noises but has no capacity to interfere) (0.1x)
[X] [Rounds] Begin Industrial Age play
Why is the vote so weighted so badly considering it was us who sent the revolutionaries?

I know the reason is the war, but 0.1 is brutal

PrimalShadow · Feb 25, 2018

Academia Nut said:
This is basically if you can't quite figure out what to do, you can stash support away for a turn to when you will hopefully have more of whatever resources you need available.

Whatever the intention, right now Build Political Support is an action mill; the player incentive is to keep it primed to generate as much actions as we can make available given the total PW cap. Frankly, I think it would make an unfun mechanic, and urge its removal or modification in the strongest terms.

8bitBob · Feb 25, 2018

Korporati said:
[X] [War] Offered support to the Hespranxer Republicans (no major allies, UPM currently making supportive noises but has no capacity to interfere) (0.1x)
[X] [Rounds] Begin Industrial Age play
Why is the vote so weighted so badly considering it was us who sent the revolutionaries?

I know the reason is the war, but 0.1 is brutal

The reason is that the political fallout with our allies for supporting the revolutionaries would be so bad that our leaders are massively against it. Generally, supporting a bunch of people cutting off the heads of nobility will not engender good will with Monarchies.

Academia Nut · Feb 25, 2018

HeWhoAdds said:
Pretty sure we can take as many actions as we Political Will to spend, so we're literally buying more actions with Build Support

Spend 5 PW to generate 10.
Max 10 PW, recover 0 PW at end of turn.
Do 10 PW worth of actions in second turn.
Do 10 PW worth of actions over 2 turns.

Spend 5 PW on actions.
0 PW, recover 5 at end of turn.
Spend 5 PW worth of actions.
Do 10 PW worth of actions over 2 turns.

Now, where this is useful is having PW available when you go into the mid-turn you have extra in case you need it and don't generate what you need through events, and if you increase your PW cap through tech or government change. Also, while I will say that standard government PW recovery does not overflow, if you gain extra PW through events or decisions and you are already at max, it instead converts into Temp Consciousness.

ThatGazzer · Feb 25, 2018

How do Heroes work in this new system?

Yeangst · Feb 25, 2018

MrGazzer said:
How do Heroes work in this new system?

No more Great Man theory?

HeWhoAdds · Feb 25, 2018

Academia Nut said:
Spend 5 PW to generate 10.
Max 10 PW, recover 0 PW at end of turn.
Do 10 PW worth of actions in second turn.
Do 10 PW worth of actions over 2 turns.

Spend 5 PW on actions.
0 PW, recover 5 at end of turn.
Spend 5 PW worth of actions.
Do 10 PW worth of actions over 2 turns.

Spend 2 PW to generate 4. Spend 3 PW on actions
4 PW, recover 5 PW at end of turn.
Do 9 PW worth of actions on the second turn
Do 12 PW worth of actions over 2 turns.

Alternatively,

Spend 2 PW to generate 4. Spend 3 PW on actions
4 PW, recover 5 PW at end of turn.
Spend 2 PW to generate 4, Spend 7 on actions
Do 10 PW worth of actions over 2 turns, and repeat for 7 PW worth of actions in every subsequent turn.

zamin · Feb 25, 2018

[X] [War] Offered support to the Hespranxer Republicans (no major allies, UPM currently making supportive noises but has no capacity to interfere) (0.1x)

Lailoken · Feb 25, 2018

Y'know what would get aristocrats from the Scottish to the Inca sending their kids to be educated? Complimentary smallpox vaccination with every enrollment.

ThatGazzer · Feb 25, 2018

Yeangst said:
No more Great Man theory?

If the answer is simply there are no heroes. I'm cool with that.

But given we had Diplomatic Heroes not two rounds ago, I find it unlikely they are gone. Changed perhaps, but not gone.

George · Feb 25, 2018

Academia Nut said:
Spend 5 PW to generate 10.
Max 10 PW, recover 0 PW at end of turn.
Do 10 PW worth of actions in second turn.
Do 10 PW worth of actions over 2 turns.

Spend 5 PW on actions.
0 PW, recover 5 at end of turn.
Spend 5 PW worth of actions.
Do 10 PW worth of actions over 2 turns.

Now, where this is useful is having PW available when you go into the mid-turn you have extra in case you need it and don't generate what you need through events, and if you increase your PW cap through tech or government change. Also, while I will say that standard government PW recovery does not overflow, if you gain extra PW through events or decisions and you are already at max, it instead converts into Temp Consciousness.

But you can also:
Spend 2 PW to generate 4 and do 3 PW worth of actions
4 PW, recover 5 PW at end of turn
Spend 2 PW to generate 4 and do 7 PW worth of actions
Repeat
Add in spending in the midturn and you potentially increase your PW spent on generation to 3 or 4 per turn.

Academia Nut · Feb 25, 2018

PW generation has been altered so that it now only functions when your population is particularly pleased with you.

PrimalShadow · Feb 25, 2018

Royalist Faction - The king and his supporters. +1 PW when pleased, -1 PW when in conflict

Should this say /turn?

Academia Nut · Feb 25, 2018

PrimalShadow said:
Should this say /turn?

It's triggered by events and actions, so /turn is not accurate to the intent.

cogsteeth · Feb 25, 2018

I'm curious, what happened to the Dragon Generals bloodline and to savants like her?

Academia Nut · Feb 25, 2018

cogsteeth said:
I'm curious, what happened to the Dragon Generals bloodline and to savants like her?

Her bloodline disappeared into the general "noble" class at the time. While less tolerant than in ages past due to reduced resources to throw at such extravagences as keeping around neurodivergent individuals with problems taking care of themselves, savantism remains a cultural fascination and there are generally attempts to see what purpose the Divine has put such individuals in this world for before letting them starve or die of exposure.

SeptimusMagisto · Feb 25, 2018

Yeangst said:
No more Great Man theory?

In the age of Napoleon and the Founding Fathers? I doubt it.

Kiba · Feb 25, 2018

@Academia Nut

Fire is Warm still a thing within the Ymaryn cultural zeitgeist? How friendly are we to foreigners and immigrants?

tenchifew · Feb 25, 2018

@Academia Nut

What about our forests?
How selfsufficient are they?

And do we still have the balance between the forests we have and the resources industry and cities are using?

Academia Nut · Feb 25, 2018

Kiba said:
@Academia Nut

Fire is Warm still a thing within the Ymaryn cultural zeitgeist? How friendly are we to foreigners and immigrants?

"Let Me Show You How Big My Fire is by How Warm it is"

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