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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Omegahugger said:
Just for the record, does it have to have Mathilde punching Borek personally, or would you accept it if it was just a skeleton whose hand was directly controlled by Mathilde?

Asking because I would really like to fulfill this promise whilst keeping a minimum safe distance from the suspected realityfucker.
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Personally.

Also, as a side note, the class on Waystones we took taught us how to blow them up.

Dum is a Waystone.

I'll accept blowing up the mountain with Borek in it as an alternative to punching Borek in the face. If it is in the process of being corrupred it probably needs to be.

Granted, I don't think this is actually Morghur, I think this is a trick, but if it isn't we are sort of obligated to do something.
 
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Here's what I've got.

[ ] THEORY: Through either Pact, Binding or some other venue the dwarfs of Karag Dum have installed Morghur as some form of defensive guardian. The confounding factor here is that the energy flowing out of Karag Dum is uncorrupted. Morghur himself would almost certainly be using it for his own ends, so it means the occupants of the hold either don't know how to use it, don't care to use it or still consider themselves part of the Karaz Ankor enough that they let the energy flow uninterrupted.
[ ] ACTION: We need information. The Yusak have been in this area for long enough, they might know something of what happened or at least when Cor-Dum came here. The wagons will pull back to their territory, and while they are en-route I will attempt to directly ask Morghur (From a distance, using a spell) what has become of Karag Dum. If the worst comes to worst we will already be retreating and I will be fast enough to catch up. We will figure out our further course of action once we know more.

It's kicking the can up the road a bit, but both paths ahead of us (Turning back or infiltrating) require more information than we have.
 
What we need here is Kragg or thorek to identify any runes surrounding the dum?. My guess these options were already discussed by dum royalty before Borek left. They have been battling Chaos since millenia. So they are bound to have some doomsday secrets passed on in the royal line. Come to think of it, is it very different from the herdstone we gave Belegher if Cython ever turned violent? They have all these contengencies prepared by runelords already called radical by the time of great war. They must have discussed some of their possible theories which resulted in the entire rune community to villify them. Usually the fear that they would be hated is enough to stop from resolving to such solutions. Well they tried to hold on for as long as possible and then pressed the big red button which resulted in whatever we are seeing.Borek being related to royalty knew the button has been pressed and now they are entirely cutoff with no chance of normal reclaimation.So he joing back home. Now what we need is to photograph the stuff, and gather evidence from afar to show our runelords for them to decipher.
 
There is some sort of link between Karak Dum and Cor-Dum. Borek was not surprised to see Cor-Dum. Disappointed, but not surprised. He knew this was always a possibility.

[ ] THEORY: When Karak Dum warned the others about Chaos, the other holds instead chose to freak out about the elven army that had just landed upon the shores of the old world. The elves were later revealed to have been chasing Cor-Dum. What if K-Dum tried to remove C-Dum so the elves would go away and the dwarves could send reinforcments up north. However, they bound the demigod to their waystone instead—possibly by accident, possibly on purpose, definitly with forbidden knowledge. They weren't able to prevent the great war in time, so they chose to double down and make Cor-Dum their protector.
[ ] ACTION: ???FLEE???

Also, when was the last confirmed sighting of Cor-Dum? I know he can teleport from forest to forest, but if he's playing guard dog for K-Dum that leaves him less time to destroy civilisation.
 
There is more here, that is for certain. But base question is:

Would uncovering more actually do any good for anyone?

Whatever happened here it is very much against anything dwarves can accept. Regardless of what Dun did, it will be source of shame. If dwarves turned themselves into beastmen, it is grudge-worthy. If dwarves controls beastmen, it's deep shame confirming everything bad said about Dum. If they pacted with chaos, it's even worse. If we confirm any of that, it will just mean shameful secret being revealled.

It explains Borek reaction. He knew something like that could happen. He likely knew contingencies and depths his compatriots could sink in desperation. He is resigned because his fears were confirmed, that even though there may be uncorrupted dwarves within, nothing good will come from contacting them. Only shame.

This is why he left like that.

So question is, do we really want to dig into that?
 
Chlof said:
Here's what I've got.

[ ] THEORY: Through either Pact, Binding or some other venue the dwarfs of Karag Dum have installed Morghur as some form of defensive guardian. The confounding factor here is that the energy flowing out of Karag Dum is uncorrupted. Morghur himself would almost certainly be using it for his own ends, so it means the occupants of the hold either don't know how to use it, don't care to use it or still consider themselves part of the Karaz Ankor enough that they let the energy flow uninterrupted.
[ ] ACTION: We need information. The Yusak have been in this area for long enough, they might know something of what happened or at least when Cor-Dum came here. The wagons will pull back to their territory, and while they are en-route I will attempt to directly ask Morghur (From a distance, using a spell) what has become of Karag Dum. If the worst comes to worst we will already be retreating and I will be fast enough to catch up. We will figure out our further course of action once we know more.

It's kicking the can up the road a bit, but both paths ahead of us (Turning back or infiltrating) require more information than we have.
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... There are presumably dwarves still in Karag Dum, why would you ask Morghur the Corrupter questions?

Go shout at Borek.
 
DiceOfStupidity said:
So question is, do we really want to dig into that?
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Yes, because if Dum is growing chaosy, it has dwarfs that actually remember waystone connections. There is a very distinct (albeit unlikely) possibility, that they could corrupt it from there. Maybe. Whetever the possible (maybe nonexistent!) risk of this outweights the risk of losing our lives is up for anyone to decide.
 
DiceOfStupidity said:
There is more here, that is for certain. But base question is:

Would uncovering more actually do any good for anyone?

Whatever happened here it is very much against anything dwarves can accept. Regardless of what Dun did, it will be source of shame. If dwarves turned themselves into beastmen, it is grudge-worthy. If dwarves controls beastmen, it's deep shame confirming everything bad said about Dum. If they pacted with chaos, it's even worse. If we confirm any of that, it will just mean shameful secret being revealled.

It explains Borek reaction. He knew something like that could happen. He likely knew contingencies and depths his compatriots could sink in desperation. He is resigned because his fears were confirmed, that even though there may be uncorrupted dwarves within, nothing good will come from contacting them. Only shame.

This is why he left like that.

So question is, do we really want to dig into that?
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Yes, 100% absolutely.

For the same reason we worked on that Chaos Dwarf medical book and went to Uzkulak, even though the dwarves would rather think about Fire Dwarves as little as possible. Interesting things are interesting. And despite all appearances to the contrary and a certain ruling by the Council of Traditional Traditionalists, Matty is not a dwarf.
 
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