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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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I'm 100% too angry to back down an inch, imma vote to call out Borek and demand he come out or prove himself a coward.

Chaos responds to that sort of things from enemies, and Dwarves don't refuse reasonable requests from people they owe this much.

So if Borek is Chaos he culturally has to show up and respond to that sort of challenge, and if he's a Dwarf he culturally has to show up and, maybe he won't explain himself if he swore not to but just to answer our shouts and tell us to leave.
 
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Tealg said:
So @BoneyM, forgive me if this has already been discussed, or if Mathilde has any knowledge about this, but how raw is the magic sent through the waystones? Is it possible to send patterned magic - spells, from one "inlet" of the waystone network to affect the central nexus?

And could an immortal daemonic demi-god of corruption theoretically do that without necessarily corrupting the waystone stream with Dhar?
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Mathilde doesn't know enough about how they work to even speculate.
 
torac said:
This update mostly left me angry at Borek, the one person who could even try to explain this, just up and walking away. Dude, don't bring us all the way here and then just leave us like this!

Anyway, I say Mathilde follows the flow of energy from one waystone to the next until the hold is found. This will probably kill her, but at this point I'm curious enough to risk it.
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We know where the hold is; it's in the big mountain. There's only the one, now, can't miss it.
Alratan said:
Ok, I think what happened is that Morghur was killed by the high elves, and he was reborn. However, this time he was reborn in a dwarf body, as the dwarf version of a turnskin. Normally, he'd be doomed, but the Rites of Valaya were performed in time, which protected him from the mental/spiritual influence of the Chaos Gods, even though his body was still warped.

Note how he was affectionate to Borek. Morghur would be completely incapable of that. I suspect that he's Borek's cousin or uncle or another relative in the royal family.
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That's a fun idea. What's the ACTION to go with that THEORY, though?
 
Borek has spent two centuries in Karaz Ankor, and has throught the virtue of his goals, interacted and been observed by many old and powerful Dawi, including Thorek.

On the way here, he has worked closely with Mathilde (and others) who didn't notice a thing.

Borek isn't Chaos.

And frankly, while the other dwarfs might be horrified by the implied ultra-radical methods Karak Dum employed in its defense, Mathilde shouldn't and wouldn't be.

After all, she did similar things herself.
 
One last thought but... @BoneyM you said that we saw reality flinch around Morghul, but isn't reality around here more unstable than stable? Could that flinching have been reality stabilizing briefly? Kinda like how Ulgu tried to run away screaming when we first met Kragg?

It's probably a long shot, but still.
 
Dark as Silver said:
Quest moves too fast I have no idea if this has been raised before but:


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Using a gourd of sap taken from the Oak of Ages, the elven general threw the liquid in Morghur's face - the pure liquid turned the Corruptor to ash where he stood, and the scene caused the beastman army to scatter.[3h]​

Acorns looking real interesting right about now.
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we don't know what it is so can't use it anyway
 
Altered and new data point:
- Morghur did not attack Borek, instead greeting him with what to Dwarves is a very intimate gesture.
- There is less ambient Dhar here than other parts of the Chaos Wastes Mathilde has seen, though still more than outside of it.

Ericwinter said:
One last thought but... @BoneyM you said that we saw reality flinch around Morghul, but isn't reality around here more unstable than stable? Could that flinching have been reality stabilizing briefly? Kinda like how Ulgu tried to run away screaming when we first met Kragg?

It's probably a long shot, but still.
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It's possible.
 
Horium said:
Borek has spent two centuries in Karaz Ankor, and has throught the virtue of his goals, interacted and been observed by many old and powerful Dawi, including Thorek.

On the way here, he has worked closely with Mathilde (and others) who didn't notice a thing.

Borek isn't Chaos.

And frankly, while the other dwarfs might be horrified by the implied ultra-radical methods Karak Dum employed in its defense, Mathilde shouldn't and wouldn't be.

After all, she did similar things herself.
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  1. The changeling can fool anyone, It can fool gods. Borek can absolutely have been Chaos.
  2. When did we bind Chaotic entities?
 
Its not an ilusion spell but it might be an illusion. Science instead of magic.

Can we sense dhar on this guy?

Next.. can we unfrozze one cow and have it approach that guy.
 
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DragonParadox said:
We don't actually. The changeling is a thing and there are many many other ways to hide corruption.
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We do know it to the extent anything is knowable. The Changeling exists, false memory implantation, it might all be a dream, maybe you're a brain in a vat, et cetera -

Radical philosophical skepticism aside, we have lots of evidence for the nature of Borek and very little evidence for the nature of The Thing That Looks Like Morghur and is behaving in a strangely un-Morghur-like way.
 
DragonParadox said:
And the reason Borek just ran into the forest without telling anyone is...?
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Shame that they were forced to hide behind an illusion and give up their duty to survive would be my bet. The Dawi of Karak Dum are notoriously prideful. I think we should follow the path of magical energy from Karak Vlag. Even if the Dawi of Karak Dum are chaos aligned, we need to know for the safety of the Karaz Ankor.
 
pucflek said:
Karak "we convinced Morghur he was a Dwarf" Dum.
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An announcement from the Emergency Meeting of the Ancestor Cult Conclave of Karag Dum, hosted in Karag Dum.

After certain confidential information was vouchsafed to this body by a source of undoubtable repute, a Grudge is hereby leveled against the beings, spirits, forces, ancestors, demiurges, and/or anthropomorphic personifications commonly known as the Chaos Gods, believed to originate somewhere in our about the continent called The Old World, for the crime of theft of a disembodied Dwarven soul, which has subsequently been incarnated in the form of a Beastman.

Reparation or vengeance for said Grudge is to be postponed pending the full and proper evaluation of the consequences of those actions, which may be considered to mitigate, in whole or in part, those actions.

Witnessed and entered into the Book of Grudges by the King of Karag Dum.
 
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A point of order: Either bound daemon prince or seeming or something yet novel, there's a dwarven intelligence actively directing the creature and perhaps even sharing senses.

Recognized Borek on sight, made an affectionate gesture, selectively applies the 'reality suffers' aura to not affect the ground or him.
 
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Ericwinter said:
One last thought but... @BoneyM you said that we saw reality flinch around Morghul, but isn't reality around here more unstable than stable? Could that flinching have been reality stabilizing briefly? Kinda like how Ulgu tried to run away screaming when we first met Kragg?

It's probably a long shot, but still.
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Boney already responded, but i feel the need to say that while Ulgu shrieked away, the reality is explicitly said to congeal around Kragg. Grow thicker. That said, Boney said its possible, so good insight all the same. We should not discard this.
 
Rovos said:
we don't know what it is so can't use it anyway
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If there was ever a time for metagaming it is now.

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BoneyM said:
"We did the best we could," he says. "When it comes time to tell the rest of the Karaz Ankor what has become of us, please tell them that as well. May the Ancestors forgive us."
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Thats a really odd thing to say?
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May the Ancestors forgive us."
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Forgive what?
I don't think hes asking for forgiveness for failure.
 
DragonParadox said:
  1. The changeling can fool anyone, It can fool gods. Borek can absolutely have been Chaos.
  2. When did we bind Chaotic entities?
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1.I am not touching the Changeling accusation with a ten feet pole, because it's impossible to prove one way or the other.
Any character we met, and whose POV we don't have, could be the Changeling.
Including Belegar, Anton, Kazador...

2. Mathilde bound a warp entity, which is basically a deamon. Furthermore, she read Liber Mortis, and even tested its principles iirc.
 
Hunter531 said:
Shame that they were forced to hide behind an illusion and give up their duty to survive would be my bet. The Dawi of Karak Dum are notoriously prideful. I think we should follow the path of magical energy from Karak Vlag. Even if the Dawi of Karak Dum are chaos aligned, we need to know for the safety of the Karaz Ankor.
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That is a very elaborate way of saying they are both magical geniuses beyond anything the Karaz Ankr could conjure and too stupid to live.
 
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