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To say Daemon Weapons are bound is a massive overstatement. They wield their alleged owners more than their alleged owners wield them.

Not in the chaos of the Dawi-Zhaar, they straight up bind daemons into their weapons and armour, don't forget the daemon cannons. Fire-dwarf bound weapons aren't the same as the random daemon bound sword chaos champions can be gifted by their gods.
 
Its almost certainly not Morghur. Like, even if we assume they bound him, the way he acted doesn't really make sense.
There is a faction in Total War: Warhammer II, namely Drycha. Drycha can control elven units despite this making no sense in lore. They are given a debuff called glamour to explain this away, supposedly the elves are enchanted to think they fight for Ariel, when in reality its Drycha that commands them. I am explaining this otherwise utterly unrelated piece of gaming trivia because i think the binding of Shadowgave works in similar way. The dwarfs bound him and are making him see things. He appeared to prostrate himself to Dum as if it was a herdstone. I just assume he sees the Dum dawi as some kind of utterly chaos blessed beings and considers it his personal duty to make sure they continue to exist.
 
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In a meta sense, this event is the purest agony for me. It takes a gigantic shit on all of our dreams, we don't even know what the fuck is going on, and there are a thousand incentives to just run away immediately and not poke the grenade. Primarily the fact that Borek is the one who knows exactly what happened and knows it is over.

Which is what I want to do, any option except running feels stupid, but goddamn do I hate that we'll never understand the full story unless we can somehow hit the bullseye with our current information.
 
Our senses were good enough to do something Teclis failed to do, and whilst that was in part due to circumstances I don't think it's hubris to acknowledge that, also quite frankly dwarven rune work isn't something I can imagine being good at illusion work.

Okay but theres a fair gap between "very, very good" and "completely impossible to fool". Matty's good, but her biggest success was, by your own admission, only possible due to circumstance. I don't think its unreasonable to assume that she's still capable of being deceived, fooled, or mislead.

As for the dwarven runes thing, TBH for all we know this is some golden age ancestor god fuckery or else some waystone network weirdness as opposed to being mundane if weird runes.
 
Our senses were good enough to do something Teclis failed to do, and whilst that was in part due to circumstances I don't think it's hubris to acknowledge that, also quite frankly dwarven rune work isn't something I can imagine being good at illusion work.
I suspect this may not be an illusion so much as dwarven runework altering and solidifying an extremely twisted reality into a deceitful form. Making order out of chaos is definitely a runework thing.
 
Look we got one hold back found out something way beyond what can be expected is going on with another if we get home with just that the expedition is a success beyond all reasoning its time to go and leave this for people with much more magic chops like the Slann.
 
Well he's certainly effecting the world like Morghur does, Mathildes senses are way to acute to be fooled.
If it was affecting the world as Morghur does, Borek would be a Chaos Spawn by now. He doesn't exactly have an "off" setting for his aura.

Actually, on that note
@BoneyM
Are we seeing any of the corruption, or just the "reality shudders" effect? Or does Morghur not have the corrupt everything thing in your canon, and those two are the same?
 
Well he's certainly effecting the world like Morghur does, Mathildes senses are way to acute to be fooled.
Breaking reality is sort of a general thing for extreme-high-end Chaos entities, it's not unique to Morghur. Moreover we're in Chaos Wastes, where it's easier to break already thinned reality, and Mathilde still didn't met Morghur personally to know how much he should affect surrounding world in such conditions.
Existence of reality-breaking does mean that this is some very powerful being, it doesn't mean by itself that that's Morghur Shadowgave, archenemy of Athel Loren.
 
Look we got one hold back found out something way beyond what can be expected is going on with another if we get home with just that the expedition is a success beyond all reasoning its time to go and leave this for people with much more magic chops like the Slann.
Nobody else is going to come this far north. Any observations we make now are all anyone's going to have to go on when they try to figure it out.

Edit: I would support grabbing the other wizards for a quick "what the fucking fuck?" confab in case any of them have some kind of relevant academic knowledge.
 
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If it was affecting the world as Morghur does, Borek would be a Chaos Spawn by now. He doesn't exactly have an "off" setting for his aura.

Actually, on that note
@BoneyM
Are we seeing any of the corruption, or just the "reality shudders" effect? Or does Morghur not have the corrupt everything thing in your canon, and those two are the same?
I suspect looking too deeply at Morghur is going to give you bad case of Morrslieb madness.
 
Okay but theres a fair gap between "very, very good" and "completely impossible to fool". Matty's good, but her biggest success was, by your own admission, only possible due to circumstance. I don't think its unreasonable to assume that she's still capable of being deceived, fooled, or mislead.

As for the dwarven runes thing, TBH for all we know this is some golden age ancestor god fuckery or else some waystone network weirdness as opposed to being mundane if weird runes.

You think golden age runic work created an illusion of Morghur? That doesn't track at all. As for it being waystone weirdness that's not really how waystones work, I mean it's definitely possible some massive spell is utterly bamboozling us and Mathilde has no idea but if that's the case I don't think it'd be so generous as to let us out.


Breaking reality is sort of a general thing for extreme-high-end Chaos entities, it's not unique to Morghur. Moreover we're in Chaos Wastes, where it's easier to break already thinned reality, and Mathilde still didn't met Morghur personally to know how much he should affect surrounding world in such conditions.
Existence of reality-breaking does mean that this is some very powerful being, it doesn't mean by itself that that's Morghur Shadowgave, archenemy of Athel Loren.

Breaking reality in the way Morghur does is absolutely unique to him.
 
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... What the fuck?

Also: why didn't anybody try to stop Borek?

No, seriously.

Nobody thought to stop Borek physically, and demand answers? What?

What?
 
No need for a mortarium, I already know exactly what to do.

[Q] THEORY: We've probably stumbled upon things man and dwarf where not meant to know
[Q] ACTION: Leave before we risk learning them.
 
Actually, on that note
@BoneyM
Are we seeing any of the corruption, or just the "reality shudders" effect? Or does Morghur not have the corrupt everything thing in your canon, and those two are the same?

What Mathilde has heard about him includes that corruptive effect, but the terrain near Morghur seemed static.

... What the fuck?

Also: why didn't anybody try to stop Borek?

No, seriously.

Nobody thought to stop Borek physically, and demand answers? What?

What?

Everyone but Mathilde thought it was 'Dwarfhold fallen so he's skipping the formalities of going Slayer', and Mathilde only had a bunch of question marks.
 
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+ponders+

What are Waystones?

If Herdstone is the reverse of a Waystone, what happens when a beastman worship a Waystone?
 
There is a faction in Total War: Warhammer II, namely Drycha. Drycha can control elven units despite this making no sense in lore. They are given a debuff called glamour to explain this away, supposedly the elves are enchanted to think they fight for Ariel, when in reality its Drycha that commands them. I am explaining this otherwise utterly unrelated piece of gaming trivia because i think the binding of Shadowgave works in similar way. The dwarfs bound him and are making him see things. He appeared to prostrate himself to Dum as if it was a herdstone. I just assume he sees the Dum dawi as some kind of utterly chaos blessed beings and considers it his personal duty to make sure they continue to exist.
Morghur sees visions of the terrible future, and (when he manages to do anything resembling a plan) does his best to make sure it comes to pass.

So if Karag Dum was going to be responsible for some civilization-ending shit in the future, he just might fall in line.
 
I still say just calling Borek out would probably get him to come out.

Then we can talk to him and if we don't like what he has to say we can beat the answers out of him.
 
If we threw them down the stairs, then yeah, no doubt they are lost.

How many people could have actually made good use of those forces if their allies didn't abandon them whenever they did?
Borek himself, someone who clearly knows far more about this situation than we do, believed they were lost. He gave us an excuse, told us to tell the rest of Karaz Ankor what happened, asked the ancestor gods for forgiveness, then left. If the dawi of Karag Dum believe Karag Dum is lost, I see nothing we can do other than anger the reality destroying demigod sitting on a mountain of bones of people who have angered him.
 
This update mostly left me angry at Borek, the one person who could even try to explain this, just up and walking away. Dude, don't bring us all the way here and then just leave us like this!

Anyway, I say Mathilde follows the flow of energy from one waystone to the next until the hold is found. This will probably kill her, but at this point I'm curious enough to risk it.
 
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