A capital M Monster like a griffon should probably be capable of doing so pretty trivially unless she uses her sword.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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A capital M Monster like a griffon should probably be capable of doing so pretty trivially unless she uses her sword.
- Location
- Finland
I'm sold.
Let's get a magical flying pony.
Not for combat use, we have shadow steed and can teleport (and spend a lot of time in confined areas).
But Mathilde's inner child deserves her pony.
- Location
- Greece
Unless she dodges, which she has a pretty good chance to roll high enough to. Plus we have a pretty magic belt of defense and seed of healing.
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chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
The Belt increases our toughness, and would tear their face off too.
Not exactly a refutation of it tearing our face off first, but a refutation of the spirit of the statement.
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
- Location
- America
We could actually probably learn a lot from it, too, since apparently they literally ride the Winds of Magic. Also, we wouldn't have to borrow a gyrocopter anytime we wanted to go anywhere although our carrying capacity would be limited.
they are also very fast, not just in a straight line, but darting. which is really, really good for big battles.
and unlike us, counterspell won't make them drop from the sky like a stone.
- Location
- Outside the Box
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- She/Her
I was against getting enchanted/runed guns. Mathilde's already got her own spellcasting for firepower, and if that fails her guns already serve the very-important role as back-up weapons. Making her guns magical means they could be vulnerable to whatever shuts down Mathilde's spellcasting; essentially trading reliability for firepower when we most need the former.
But this? This is perfect! This is a backup plan to our backup plans! When she's been magically surpressed, lost her sword, and run out of bullets, even the greatest foes would believe Mathilde defeated. But then she'll whip out her secret holdout pistol and smack them with it! They'll never see it coming.
But this? This is perfect! This is a backup plan to our backup plans! When she's been magically surpressed, lost her sword, and run out of bullets, even the greatest foes would believe Mathilde defeated. But then she'll whip out her secret holdout pistol and smack them with it! They'll never see it coming.
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
- Location
- America
That too, yeah. Much easier to assassinate leaders if we can just fly at them. Granted, we could teleport, it that's more dangerous if there are any enemy spellcasters.
also, mostly unrelated thought, but it Seems like this turn will be spent almost entirely on magical research, when you stop and think about it. AV, enchanting, and the Coin, from what I've seen, are practically locked in, with things like Ulgu Tongs, Powerstone creation, and Arcane Khazalid being fought over. And yet I haven't seen any other major actions suggested that doesn't have some sort of Magical aspect to it. Am I missing anything, or are we really going to go full research and learning mode, barring any unforeseen projects on Belegar's part.
Thread madness is at it again...
-Continuity of state - The longer a state exists, the more its laws would seem to be a natural part of the world to its components.
--The Empire of Sigmar is only very technically continuous, if at that.
-Supremacy of state - Laws which can be overridden or broken with impunity by powerful individuals are intrinsically weaker as social constructs
--The Empire of Sigmar has many many such laws.
-Density of state - You'd need to actually pack all those people together, so that they actually have to follow the laws on a day to day basis, rather than farm and really not have to care about the law more than a couple of times a year.
--The Empire of Sigmar consists of a lot of untapped wilderness and numerous agricultural smallholders.
So basically the prerequisites aren't really there, and the laws are mostly there for when people of similar status and pull go bang into each other.
Big thing about legalistic principles as applied to nationstates are:
-Continuity of state - The longer a state exists, the more its laws would seem to be a natural part of the world to its components.
--The Empire of Sigmar is only very technically continuous, if at that.
-Supremacy of state - Laws which can be overridden or broken with impunity by powerful individuals are intrinsically weaker as social constructs
--The Empire of Sigmar has many many such laws.
-Density of state - You'd need to actually pack all those people together, so that they actually have to follow the laws on a day to day basis, rather than farm and really not have to care about the law more than a couple of times a year.
--The Empire of Sigmar consists of a lot of untapped wilderness and numerous agricultural smallholders.
So basically the prerequisites aren't really there, and the laws are mostly there for when people of similar status and pull go bang into each other.
[ ] Plan: Flying Magical Pony for Mathy. Draft.
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this is because Magical Research never survives contact with BoneyM, we will be put on the clock and/or given low hanging fruit or something to spend AP on.
I would be very surprised if if all the research goals actually make it into the final plan
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
I'm getting a bit sick of gacha assignments, so hopefully. If there was some actually interesting, multiple years long magical thing we could be doing then I wouldn't mind being given yet another project, but it just sort of feels like a flavorful AP tax right now.
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
Counterspells would just temporarily disable the Magic gun I believe, leaving it a mundane firearm anyway. I think if whatever we're fighting can suppress a runed handgun we're in quite a lot of trouble, and if they can suppress Branalhune and the Quest isn't automatically over, it won't be because we pistol-whipped them really well. Basically these runes/enchantments wouldn't decrease their value as holdout weapons in the worst case.
...It would be pretty funny though.
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
- Location
- America
Well not all of them, we don't have the AP for that, but as long as one of the three major things we could be given—Bok, AV, and MMAPP—is chosen, then Every AP should be research. The only possible other thing I can see at the moment is dealing with Marienburg, and that's... unlikely, unless we actively push for it. Even if Belegar wanted or needed to get involved he probably has better people for it.
Although I feel like I'm forgetting something... was Marienburg the fourth possible object, or was it another one?
- Location
- Seattle
K8P needs a Pegasus herd.
Soizic and the ducklings stand in a line nodding very enthusiastically.
Johnna and Panoramia hold up a sign in the back saying 'Pegasu or bust!'
- Location
- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
I'll be honest. I have no idea how long a frequently used historical crossbow usually lasts before repairs become pointless. That's even more true when it comes to a Dwarven rifle or handgun that is regularly fired in anger.
I can live with the first two of these options, if we can buy the components or black boxes from the dwarfs to compensate. I suspect enough people in-setting would appreciate having more steam tanks to go around that we can navigate most of these hazards.
A quibble; Leonard di Miragliano was from Tilea, but I believe he was employed by the Empire when he came up with the steam tanks. If we're going with 'what you do on the clock for your employer belongs to your employer' understanding the 'in another polity' part of your statement not apply.
I kinda want to do a social to check in on Narfi at some point. Touch base with someone who was there for us when we needed them, maybe do Zhufbar some favors as a token of friendship. I'm sure they have some matters that could benefit from the attention of a Mathilde.
Well now I'm thinking about making our staff and waiting until after we've had powerstone classes and gone as far as the college can take us on enchanting. Dragonbone staff with an inner core of either AV or liquid crystal mist topped with a power stone the size of a child's fist, glyphs of power etched around its exterior? Seems like a pretty wizardly staff.
Would you be satisfied by shooting someone and then mocking them about their death?
He may be unclear how long we've been testing it ourselves. We've been working with it for years off and on, but not as a full time thing and most of that was on safety related stuff, which is what he saw us present him. He may have assumed we weren't sharing the other 95% of our work because it's not relevant or it's guild secrets but we have a better understanding of AV than we do.
I'm willing to put some AP towards becoming a better pistolier. I doubt enough other people are, AP hell being what it is, but I'm certainly not opposed to working our way to getting one or more runic pistols for our elfcation and
I wonder if having a third revolver with Rune of the Unknown would be workable...
"And we could have done it too, if it wasn't for that darn GM and their attention to the rules and fluff!" /scooby-doo villain
Still hoping to go through with the project at some point, but I doubt we'll be able to get it started in the near future.
I love the idea of the Balrog Cloak, I just an unsure about us being the one to use it due to possibly interfering with our magic armor and introducing near our person raises the likelihood of dhar. I'd rather give it to a martial champion like a Greatsword or a knightly Grandmaster who'd make good use of it.
Malal? Who's that?
"He doesn't exist, shut up about it!"
-Decius XXIII
And if you shoot a corpse it could be like the Regrowth spell from Lore of Life, so really it's pulling double duty here.
One of her fellow councilors (we are told) has a steam tank body pillow and King Belegar has a distinct preference to spend money instead of lives where possible, so obtaining steam tanks for him in such a way as to strengthen the Karaz Ankor's ties to the Empire seems like it's in everyone's interests. I grant you it's not working magic in the name of the King, but neither was figuring out the We, not really (though it certainly helped), nor was helping Roswita (though we did).
I'm totally not doing this to get Oswald to propose to her out of the blue.
I mean we can send Max back to school to learn more spells to fill out his spellbook, so that's one option we have direct control over. Not sure what we can do for Johann, I'm sure we can bump his Magic up a bit more (I don't think he has a staff?) but I don't know if there are enough spells left in his spellbook to eke out another +magic for him. The ducklings seem well enough to manage though, as Greta's ambitious, Adela's setting down roots and we can pester her if we think she's resting on her laurels (she wants to work enchantment into engineering, which is a fine thing, but will need some help getting to the higher levels of the craft) and we just had a chat with Hubert and he's onboard with becoming more of a wizard. So with the possible exception of Panoramia who's up for magister soon anyway, I don't think there's much we can/should do on this point.
So you want to be a Lord Magister? That's a fine thing. /meme
I'm okay with that, mostly because I don't know how much runesmith favor it'll cost to complete this project and I suspect we won't get it right out the gate, so it may very well be that it'll take us at least that long to get enough AV accrued to be able to call that project in.
While I shudder to think of choosing to incorporate Skaven tech into Karak Eight Peaks' defenses, I am curious about the utility of having halfling Jezzail teams to help with the wall of lead. I daresay that between Titus Muggins, Dreng and (if necessary) Belegar, they'd be willing to entertain the possibility of Jezzail teams, and if Araby can make them Zhufbar can make better.
"You know what they say, the reward for a job well done is more work."
"Stop laughing, Weber, this isn't funny."
So while he may be interested in the abstract, he's got more than enough on his plate to keep him plenty busy for the foreseeable future and he doesn't want to add more to it for one of the Loremaster's pet projects? Is that a fair assessment?
Might I entice you with a third revolver with the runes for damage, accuracy and Rune of the Unknown?
In general I'm in the gyro faction, but I don't think we're in position to do much with a gyro quite yet. At a bare minimum I'd like to get our enchanting up, get some less ambitious multi-wind enchantments done before trying our hand at the gyro, send one of the Undumgi to train up on How To Gyrocopter and track down where I vaguely recall purchasing a gyrocopter being something we could do in coin. Most of that is stuff that we will want to do even if we don't get a gyro, and what isn't is AP spent by someone else (though it might cost us Dwarf Favor).
That said, I'm wondering what a second gyrocarrier built as an on-station gunship full of soldiers with Stirland Repeaters listening to Fortunate Thane would take. Separate from the stealth gyro, of course, but it seems like it'd be a way to have mobile, local superiority of force to just wreck stuff.
I agree that getting a gyro for our own use when we already have access to the gyro network doesn't make sense. As I look at it, the stealth gyro project is something that would add capabilities useful for KA and Empire 'special forces', but wouldn't directly help Mathilde for the work she put into it near as much as something like improving her spellbook or developing her swordsmanship. But that's okay, we're not just Mathilde Weber, we're also Mathilde Weber, AGENT OF THE EMPIRE! so I like to do nice things for them every so often.
You know, like a cat dropping a mouse on your doorstep every so often because obviously the humans are just terrible hunters and need help.
@BoneyM How difficult would it be to import or entice a herd of pegasai to Karak Eight Peaks? Seems like something the Ambers would have given some thought to, and they're not uncommon in the Grey Mountains if I recall.
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
- Location
- America
Pretty sure the Skaven count as rats, not mice. And Vampires are bats, but that's close enough to a bird, right? Meanwhile the Orcs are just a hair ball coughed up from fur and feathers that got stuck down our throat.
That's about it.
The Rune of the Unknown is only known by Kragg, and he is not a radical Zhufbar Runesmith.
Tamed ones would be very expensive, wild ones would be very difficult. Those that live in the World's Edge Mountains tend to be skittish and untrusting.
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- Location
- Leeds
Is it really the Rune of the Unknown then?
- Location
- Outside the Box
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Mathilde is a Grey Wizard. The unexpected is power. Therefore, doing something unexpectedly stupid will be consequently unexpectedly powerful. Next update, vote for [ ] [DWARF] Triple Runes of Striking on the Marksdwarf Pistol.
You have to be real sneaky to know what can't be known. More evidence that Kragg has a higher Intrigue score than Mathilde.
- Location
- Utrecht
With rune of CleavingX2+Striking instead of StrikingX3, so we'd strike at WS6 S6 (instead of WS8 S4)
Pistol whipping, Mathilde Weber style. If you've got to do it, do it once, and make sure whatever you hit stays down.
Edit: although truth be told, i think we'd be better off with engineering runes: Rune of PenetratingX2 and Accuracy would make us shoot at BS5 with S6 shots (same as a Jezzail)
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For Luck
- Location
- Chicago
- Pronouns
- She/They
I got a threadmark! In light of that, commentary moved to spoilers for future thread-browsers.
Do you have any of the quotes on over-the-horizon teleportation spells, rituals, or artifacts? Because smoke and mirrors seems to be line of sight-ish which I'd read as ~10 miles max, and impossible March of the doomed soldier has some quirks like the 8-12 hour casting and the need to be able to walk to a place.
It just doesn't feel like teleportation is much of a thing in this world- which is good, because the difficulty of travel and the importance of distance really make a world fantasy instead of modern, to me.
It's a pity that we are specc'ed to do the most damage in melee, rather than a glass canon artillery mage. I doubt it would improve us in battle, but as an insertion tool for an infiltrator it does sound good. Small by person-transporting flyer standards, quiet by gyrocopter standards. Plus...
I would love to see a scene where... Actually, you know what?
For Luck
(Some years in the future)
Karak Varn was quiet in the predawn light, peaks of weathered basalt shot through with glimmering white quartz. Mathilde frowned in concentration, eyes sharp and other senses... Well. Her mage sight showed nothing above the layers of smothering rock, neither greenskins nor the mining expedition that Zuftbar had sent. She heard wind, and the soft flapping of the white wings of her mount, and the occasional warm breath into her ear. She tasted adrenaline and ice. She felt the small body pressed against her from behind, arms wrapped around her waist and the chin on her shoulder, as Panoramia's head turned with small motions, searching as well.
"I see nothing," the jade Magister whispered. "Should we descend?"
Mathilde shivered, distracted by the tingle that ran down her spine as Panoramia's lips moved against her ear. Focus!
"It seems we must. I know Gotri would not call upon me like this unless something were very wrong, not for Zuftbar rather than Eightpeaks. I will press into the mines- plenty of ulgu at dawn's light, so best not to waste time; there'll be little too be found beneath. Will you take Huma and make is a campsite up on one of the mountains? I'll signal when I return, but this may be several days..."
"Of course!" Was the reply, breathed into her ear again. This time she did shiver. Focus!
The Pegasus the two of the rode circled slowly, wings still now and gliding. Still nothing stirred below.
Finally it's hooves touched rock and the graceful beast drew to a halt near a half-crumbled mineshaft, one of a half-dozen that were visible in the descent. Mathilde slipped off it's back absently handing the reins back as she began to consider the panapoly of spells to be cast before the bounty of the grey wind around her faded.
She was jarred from her thoughts by a hand reaching down and gathering her robe at her shoulder, pulling her back around. Panoramia leaned down and kissed her- searing, goosebump raising shivers- and whispered,
"For luck."
A smug smile and the two were off, Pegasus and jade wizard trotting into a deep wingbeat and a leap off a nearby cliff. Mathilde watched, breathless, until moments later the edge of the sun crested the far ridge.
Focus! Turning, she wove magic. She had a promise to keep.
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Oh! Last thing I just remembered. That whole thing about doing disguise and silence and stuff like that on the gyrocopter? We already have Mathilde's Mystical Matrix! We can bind spells into living creatures already, and I bet with windherder and a bit more work, we can bind multiple. So a Pegasus that goes invisible on command, or has substance of shadows on it so we can go straight from flying through the underway, punch up through the roof, and be immediately aboveground! Possibilities.
Do you have any of the quotes on over-the-horizon teleportation spells, rituals, or artifacts? Because smoke and mirrors seems to be line of sight-ish which I'd read as ~10 miles max, and impossible March of the doomed soldier has some quirks like the 8-12 hour casting and the need to be able to walk to a place.
It just doesn't feel like teleportation is much of a thing in this world- which is good, because the difficulty of travel and the importance of distance really make a world fantasy instead of modern, to me.
It's a pity that we are specc'ed to do the most damage in melee, rather than a glass canon artillery mage. I doubt it would improve us in battle, but as an insertion tool for an infiltrator it does sound good. Small by person-transporting flyer standards, quiet by gyrocopter standards. Plus...
I would love to see a scene where... Actually, you know what?
For Luck
(Some years in the future)
[Jk] Respond to Prince Gotri's request for emergency aid to a team of expeditionary gromil miners from Zuftbar.
- [jk] Bring Panoramia
- [jk] Bring Panoramia
Karak Varn was quiet in the predawn light, peaks of weathered basalt shot through with glimmering white quartz. Mathilde frowned in concentration, eyes sharp and other senses... Well. Her mage sight showed nothing above the layers of smothering rock, neither greenskins nor the mining expedition that Zuftbar had sent. She heard wind, and the soft flapping of the white wings of her mount, and the occasional warm breath into her ear. She tasted adrenaline and ice. She felt the small body pressed against her from behind, arms wrapped around her waist and the chin on her shoulder, as Panoramia's head turned with small motions, searching as well.
"I see nothing," the jade Magister whispered. "Should we descend?"
Mathilde shivered, distracted by the tingle that ran down her spine as Panoramia's lips moved against her ear. Focus!
"It seems we must. I know Gotri would not call upon me like this unless something were very wrong, not for Zuftbar rather than Eightpeaks. I will press into the mines- plenty of ulgu at dawn's light, so best not to waste time; there'll be little too be found beneath. Will you take Huma and make is a campsite up on one of the mountains? I'll signal when I return, but this may be several days..."
"Of course!" Was the reply, breathed into her ear again. This time she did shiver. Focus!
The Pegasus the two of the rode circled slowly, wings still now and gliding. Still nothing stirred below.
Finally it's hooves touched rock and the graceful beast drew to a halt near a half-crumbled mineshaft, one of a half-dozen that were visible in the descent. Mathilde slipped off it's back absently handing the reins back as she began to consider the panapoly of spells to be cast before the bounty of the grey wind around her faded.
She was jarred from her thoughts by a hand reaching down and gathering her robe at her shoulder, pulling her back around. Panoramia leaned down and kissed her- searing, goosebump raising shivers- and whispered,
"For luck."
A smug smile and the two were off, Pegasus and jade wizard trotting into a deep wingbeat and a leap off a nearby cliff. Mathilde watched, breathless, until moments later the edge of the sun crested the far ridge.
Focus! Turning, she wove magic. She had a promise to keep.
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Oh! Last thing I just remembered. That whole thing about doing disguise and silence and stuff like that on the gyrocopter? We already have Mathilde's Mystical Matrix! We can bind spells into living creatures already, and I bet with windherder and a bit more work, we can bind multiple. So a Pegasus that goes invisible on command, or has substance of shadows on it so we can go straight from flying through the underway, punch up through the roof, and be immediately aboveground! Possibilities.
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