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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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So, do people feel like buying a War Trained Pegasus (13 CF with a handler to train us), a Gyrocarrige that we could further tinker with (16 DF), or perhaps a Griffon (1 Great Deed)?

Personally I see a lot of promise on a custom Gyrocarriage. Add an Illusion so it's invisible and silent, Aqshy stuff on the boiler for increased range and power, use @Andres110 extensive research on guns and enchantments to add something cool to the clatter gun (something Azyr, perhaps? A flying machine should trivially recharge it).

And then we can have Gotri do some Radical stuff on it, too.
 
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storryeater said:
That would imply that she believes that the Empire of Sigmar's ideals are unextricably connected with Sigmarism. On one hand, its in the name. On the other hand, Mathilde dislikes Sigmarism, plus the empire is actually de facto not a theocracy, plus it took a departure from Sigmar's ideals for the colleges to be founded. So this justification is more mental gymnastey than reading the liber Mortis, or anything else Mathilde ever did because it would require her to simultaneously hold and not hold certain values, while every other act of mental gymnastics was internally consistent on the mode of justification.
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The alliance with the dwarves is foundational to the Empire. The confederation of tribes that became the Empire was literally formed to fight alongside the dwarves. It's not mental gymnastics at all. It's the core organisational principle from which the Empire grew.
TotallyNotEvil said:
So, do people feel like buying a War Trained Pegasus (13 CF with a handler to train us), a Gyrocarrige that we could further tinker with (16 DF), or perhaps a Griffon (1 Great Deed)?
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Why bother when we have unlimited access to the Karaz Ankor's gyrocopter network? It seems like a solution in search of a problem, when we have a better solution to the same problem already.
 
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Alratan said:
The alliance with the dwarves is foundational to the Empire. The confederation of tribes that became the Empire was literally formed to fight alongside the dwarves. It's not mental gymnastics at all. It's the core organisational principle from which the Empire grew.
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I want that in writing though. @BoneyM Is it anywhere in secularish writing that something like this is the case?
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
So, do people feel like buying a War Trained Pegasus (13 CF with a handler to train us), a Gyrocarrige that we could further tinker with (16 DF), or perhaps a Griffon (1 Great Deed)?
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I don't really see what they could get us that Shadow Steed couldn't, in a long-term travel sense. Animals get tired, and Carriages are pretty great but also sort of overkill (we can already commute to the Empire and back in a week).

In a tactical sense, it's probably easier to just teleport up to where we're trying to get to, or to throw something horrible and magical-y at whatever our aerial target is. Personal flight is for people who can do so under their own power.
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
So, do people feel like buying a War Trained Pegasus (13 CF with a handler to train us), a Gyrocarrige that we could further tinker with (16 DF), or perhaps a Griffon (1 Great Deed)?
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I would support the Gyrocarriage, though it wouldn't be a very good war mount, since Mathilde can't fight in it except with magic. We could probably use it for other things once enchanted.
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
So, do people feel like buying a War Trained Pegasus (13 CF with a handler to train us), a Gyrocarrige that we could further tinker with (16 DF), or perhaps a Griffon (1 Great Deed)?
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Mathile had a moment when she went to the imperial zoo were she basically said, 'every young wizard dreams of the day they get to ride a magical flying pony.'

I personally would like to give Mathys inner child her magical flying pony.

chocolote12 said:
In a tactical sense, it's probably easier to just teleport up to where we're trying to get to, or to throw something horrible and magical-y at whatever our aerial target is. Personal flight is for people who can do so under their own power.
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Flying ponys are wicked fast, agile, small enough that they are hard to hit when in the air. and don't risk falling from a counterspell.

there is a reason that they are the preferred battle mount of wizards.

IF we ever have to fight another battle (and we will) the flying pony is a geat investment.
 
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storryeater said:
I mean, we could phrase it as "we lived among the dawi, we know how dangerous this is, we think the empire may get destroyed or seriously harmed in the future if it doesn't have a legal way to wash its hands from people who offer casus belli to the Dawi. It will also make diplomacy easier, as the Dawi will be more willing to foreclose secrets if they know that the Empire will punish unlawful disclosure, so the empire may end up lawfully holding more secrets in the end".
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This is a very modern and legalistic viewpoint. The Rule of Law currently exists only in the daydreams of Tilean firebrands. If someone pisses off the Dwarves enough that they represent an existential threat to the Empire, the Emperor can just decree that X is ousted and hand them over. And Dwarves will have zero faith in the ability of human laws to protect Dwarven secrets, considering that for Dwarves, the Time of Three Emperors is still within living memory.

storryeater said:
does the Deceiver work if everything you say you genuinely beloieve though?
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It doesn't.

storryeater said:
I want that in writing though. @BoneyM Is it anywhere in secularish writing that something like this is the case?
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Secular writings of the Holy Empire of Sigmar is a contradiction in terms.
 
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TotallyNotEvil said:
Are you sure? Because it sounds super wrong for a Dwarf to be called a Grandmaster and being unable to back it up on skill.
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It's a politics thing. He was a Master Engineer, and K8P needs an Engineering Guild, but no Grandmaster wants to actually move there, so as the founder of the K8P Engineering Guild he's automatically the Highest Ranking Authority, which makes him a Grandmaster by Default rather than a Grandmaster by Skill. If he moved back to his original Hold he would rank as a Master there, but if he used his influence as the Head of K8P's Engineering he'd be a "Grandmaster."

Think of it like how Matty is a Landed Knight, Magister, Loremaster, and Majority Shareholder all at once with different responsibilities, privileges, and obligations, but instead of actually having differently named Titles it's all different flavors of Engineer.
 
BoneyM said:
This is a very modern and legalistic viewpoint. The Rule of Law currently exists only in the daydreams of Tilean firebrands. If someone pisses off the Dwarves enough that they represent an existential threat to the Empire, the Emperor can just decree that X is ousted and hand them over. And Dwarves will have zero faith in the ability of human laws to protect Dwarven secrets, considering that for Dwarves, the Time of Three Emperors is still within living memory.



It doesn't.
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Huh fair enough actually. Guess I will retract my point then.
 
BoneyM said:
Generally if they're properly made, and something that was commissioned usually is, they can last indefinitely. The Colleges have items handed down from Teclis and the Founders. That said, they do tend to be rather less sturdy than Dwarven craftsmanship so they suffer more attrition from accidents and battlefield encounters.
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Do enchanted items un Warhammer also get an automatic durability improvement like in D&D? Like, if Mathilde were to enchant a normal Human crossbow to, I don't know, create a March Light wherever it shoots, would it be any more durable and reliable than a non-magical crossbow?
 
Rafin said:
Do enchanted items un Warhammer also get an automatic durability improvement like in D&D? Like, if Mathilde were to enchant a normal Human crossbow to, I don't know, create a March Light wherever it shoots, would it be any more durable and reliable than a non-magical crossbow?
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No, but if you're going to go to the trouble of doing so you tend to pick something of decent quality and take good care of it.
 
though everything being equal, seeing Mathy coddle and pamper a bad-tempered murder machine that is a Griffon as if it was a big fluffing kitten the same way she is blind to how scary Wolf is would be worth a Great Deed...
 
ya, I'm sold on either a battle flying pony or a Griffon that we are blind to just how much of a murderess jackass it is because we love it to much.

who is with me!
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
though everything being equal, seeing Mathy coddle and pamper a bad-tempered murder machine that is a Griffon as if it was a big fluffing kitten the same way she is blind to how scary Wolf is would be worth a Great Deed...
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That seems pretty cringe worthy to be honest, and worse devalues Wolf by making their relationship something generic rather than specific to him. It also devalues griffons, who should tear her face off for treating them with such disrespect, reducing them from majestic creatures to just another slice of life prop.
 
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Alratan said:
That seems pretty cringe worthy to be honest, and worse devalues Wolf by making their relationship something generic rather than specific to him. It also devalues griffons, who should tear her face off for treating them with such disrespect, reducing them from majestic creatures to just another slice of life prop.
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Who should attempt to tear her face of for such disrespect, please. I doubt they'll succeed in doing it with Mathilde's stats.
 
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