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Do you have any of the quotes on over-the-horizon teleportation spells, rituals, or artifacts? Because smoke and mirrors seems to be line of sight-ish which I'd read as ~10 miles max, and impossible March of the doomed soldier has some quirks like the 8-12 hour casting and the need to be able to walk to a place.

It just doesn't feel like teleportation is much of a thing in this world- which is good, because the difficulty of travel and the importance of distance really make a world fantasy instead of modern, to me.
I said in a tactical sense; i.e in the span of a single battle. The Shadow Steed ignores terrain almost as well as low-level flight and neither of us ever get tired (which is why we're flat out one of the fastest things in the Empire), but a Pegasus is a flesh and blood animal and we don't have a trait that makes us better at riding them.
 
Tamed ones would be very expensive, wild ones would be very difficult. Those that live in the World's Edge Mountains tend to be skittish and untrusting.

[jk] Sic Amber Wizards on the problem, spend CF
Joking on this one, but it might actually be something we'd want to look into. I imagine it could have been a project if we'd kept the Amber journeymen on staff too. Something to think on, I suppose.

Now, to look into the potential difficulties of making halfling spider-riders.

The Rune of the Unknown is only known by Kragg, and he is not radical Zhufbar Runesmith.

[jk] Send Kragg to Zhufbar to learn how to become a radical
This can in no way turn out poorly.
 
Spider/halfling deployable sniper teams? Snipers with mounts that can climb upside down and backgrounds in concealment and ambush? Oh, ranger commanders are going to LOVE this.

So, I remember the list of potential spider units a ways back, and we are taking about pegasi herds-

What are the set of K8P elite units we'd like to see?

- Pegasus cavalry
- halfling snipers on spiders
- other assorted spider forces, as previously detailed
- Knight company on shadowhorses. (My preference)
- Neo-steamtanks
- on-demand Dragon
 
I said in a tactical sense; i.e in the span of a single battle. The Shadow Steed ignores terrain almost as well as low-level flight and neither of us ever get tired (which is why we're flat out one of the fastest things in the Empire), but a Pegasus is a flesh and blood animal and we don't have a trait that makes us better at riding them.
Theoretically, if we enchanted a set of Aethyric Armor for it, it should also be tireless.
 
It's a pity that we are specc'ed to do the most damage in melee, rather than a glass canon artillery mage. I doubt it would improve us in battle, but as an insertion tool for an infiltrator it does sound good. Small by person-transporting flyer standards, quiet by gyrocopter standards.
counter-argument: the glass canon artillery mages will not have a good time in an aerial duel with Mathy and her sword.

depending on the type of battle, Mathy can be just as good a flying hero ganker as a paladin or a dark elf Master on an evil flying pony in total war.

better even.

Theoretically, if we enchanted a set of Aethyric Armor for it, it should also be tireless.

... this is one of those things that I feel stupid for not thinking of myself.
 
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counter-argument: the glass canon artillery mages will not have a good time in an aerial duel with Mathy and her sword.

depending on the type of battle, Mathy can be just as good a flying hero ganker as a paladin or a dark elf Master on an evil flying pony in total war.

better even.

I guess I was going off of my mental picture of trying to fight from pegasus-back rather than rpg rules: swinging a sword on a horse is only really possible left and right, and there's two massive wings there, right in front of a rider's knees , stretching at least 20 feet on either side and rising at least ten above the rider with every won't beat. I don't regard melee from flying mounts as practical, with the exception of a Lance to hit targets ahead and below.
 
I would like to point anyone wanting for a Pegasus towards the skill list. Namely to the total lack and abject hole in there being no Animal Handling or Riding skill on it. Since, you know, Mat learned Shadow Steed before leaving the College for her Journey and as such had never needed to learn.

This is not something that can be fixed with cash, or favors. Mat would have to take the time to learn how to ride, first a regular horse, then a pegasus, and how to care and train, or at least direct, each. In battle, possibly.

I agree a pegasus has possibilities. Even more, a Silent One. Far more than a griffon, as that's a warmount, and Mat's an assassin. But getting a mount like that is a big investment, and they can die. If we did get one, I'd use it to get around and scout and sneak, not for fighting.

And it would be a lot of work we could be spending doing research on stuff like AV or theurgy, or multi-wind enchantment, or the Ulgu tongs thing, etc, etc.
 
I guess I was going off of my mental picture of trying to fight from pegasus-back rather than rpg rules: swinging a sword on a horse is only really possible left and right, and there's two massive wings there, right in front of a rider's knees , stretching at least 20 feet on either side and rising at least ten above the rider with every won't beat. I don't regard melee from flying mounts as practical, with the exception of a Lance to hit targets ahead and below.
luckily Warhammer battles run on rule of cool, so hitting someone on a flying pony with a super magic sword from your flying pony is A-OK!
 
I would like to point anyone wanting for a Pegasus towards the skill list. Namely to the total lack and abject hole in there being no Animal Handling or Riding skill on it. Since, you know, Mat learned Shadow Steed before leaving the College for her Journey and as such had never needed to learn.

This is not something that can be fixed with cash, or favors. Mat would have to take the time to learn how to ride, first a regular horse, then a pegasus, and how to care and train, or at least direct, each. In battle, possibly.

I agree a pegasus has possibilities. Even more, a Silent One. Far more than a griffon, as that's a warmount, and Mat's an assassin. But getting a mount like that is a big investment, and they can die. If we did get one, I'd use it to get around and scout and sneak, not for fighting.

And it would be a lot of work we could be spending doing research on stuff like AV or theurgy, or multi-wind enchantment, or the Ulgu tongs thing, etc, etc.

We could get Panoramia one as a present, fob off the keeping and feeding on her, and just borrow it all the time. I bet she's always wanted one! And if we are using it to infiltrate, we need a second rider to pull back and keep hidden while we are on the mission. Win/win/win!

Heck, if we wanted to start a herd of pegasi, commissioning our two amber pals to lead one to K8P might be a great way to touch base with them again.
 
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I would like to point anyone wanting for a Pegasus towards the skill list. Namely to the total lack and abject hole in there being no Animal Handling or Riding skill on it. Since, you know, Mat learned Shadow Steed before leaving the College for her Journey and as such had never needed to learn.

This is not something that can be fixed with cash, or favors. Mat would have to take the time to learn how to ride, first a regular horse, then a pegasus, and how to care and train, or at least direct, each. In battle, possibly.

I would like to point to the trainer for 3 college favour that will streamline this problem. hence why its an option to have a trainer or not.
 
Wouldn't it technically be simpler (and more cost-effective) to work on our Shadow Steed until we can project wings and fly with it? Ed: Even if we have to invent an entire new spell for it.
 
Wouldn't it technically be simpler (and more cost-effective) to work on our Shadow Steed until we can project wings and fly with it? Ed: Even if we have to invent an entire new spell for it.
its been invented, its a battle magic shadow spell. (Pony or drake)

so the battle magic risk of miscast every time. so why not just have a flying pony and give it a an enchantment with our tireless armour mastery?
 
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Spider/halfling deployable sniper teams? Snipers with mounts that can climb upside down and backgrounds in concealment and ambush? Oh, ranger commanders are going to LOVE this.

So, I remember the list of potential spider units a ways back, and we are taking about pegasi herds-

What are the set of K8P elite units we'd like to see?

- Pegasus cavalry
- halfling snipers on spiders
- other assorted spider forces, as previously detailed
- Knight company on shadowhorses. (My preference)
- Neo-steamtanks
- on-demand Dragon

I am imagining the halfling sniper teams and the spider riders to be separate units, personally. The spider riders I'm imagining as more like skirmish cavalry, harrassing the enemy's flanks with Zhufbar revolvers while the sniper teams are generally more defensive in nature and targeting VIPs. I suppose you could make cause for halfling sniper dragoons, but then why would you need spiders instead of, say, ponies?

The knight company on shadow horses seems like something that would bottleneck at their ability to get said shadow horses, and unless there's more to that idea I'm seeing it doesn't really add more than 'is a company of mounted knights'.

Steam tanks are cool, but looks like we'll need to wait a bit for our resident Grandmaster Engineer to get slightly less busy. I'd considered suggesting we hire more dwarf engineers, but that might threaten to dilute the pleasingly radical bent the local guild is likely to develop, so the next best thing I can imagine is human engineers which...I'm a lot more ambivalent about, honestly. I doubt that'd give him less work in the long run, you know?

I'm also somewhat leery about describing having dragons as 'on-demand', as even the keebs elves have problems with that, and they have a lot more institutional experience with them than we do.

I'd be down with trying to develop a friendly pegasus herd to have added aerial cav potential though. Maybe discuss the possibility with the council, then see if we could entice some Amber Journeymen to come by and see if they could set up a workable agreement with one of the local herds? I know they're supposed to be skittish and untrusting, but that seems like the kind of thing we could address by taking a slow burn approach, maybe get one of the bolder colts to let us talk to them in, say, a decade or two before their dams hurriedly rush them off away from us.
Also, we'd probably need to talk to the We about it. I'd hate for our work to be undone because some Hunters saw prey and made a stab at them.

Fake edit: importing some would be expensive, but Belegar has cash to burn. If this was something he wanted to do I don't think money would be a problem, though I suspect it'd be more helpful for Ulrickadrin than Karak Eight Peaks.
 
I am against the pegasus idea and will not vote for it.

It doesn't mesh with our style in battle, and for out of battle we have gyrocopters, which are just as fast and do not tire.

However, I wouldn't be against the pegasus herd for flying knight purposes.
 
Right. The thread is discussing the possibility of learning an entirely new skillset just to justify picking up a shiny that we have no use for. Truly thread madness has set in. Please, Boney, deliver us from this torment.
 
its been invented, its a battle magic shadow spell. (Pony or drake)

so the battle magic risk of miscast every time. so why not just have a flying pony and give it a an enchantment with our tireless armour mastery?
Oh yes, Steed of Shadows. My bad.
Must be some way to trim away the fat on that and make it not a Battle Magic though.
 
I am imagining the halfling sniper teams and the spider riders to be separate units, personally. The spider riders I'm imagining as more like skirmish cavalry, harrassing the enemy's flanks with Zhufbar revolvers while the sniper teams are generally more defensive in nature and targeting VIPs. I suppose you could make cause for halfling sniper dragoons, but then why would you need spiders instead of, say, ponies?

The knight company on shadow horses seems like something that would bottleneck at their ability to get said shadow horses, and unless there's more to that idea I'm seeing it doesn't really add more than 'is a company of mounted knights'.

Steam tanks are cool, but looks like we'll need to wait a bit for our resident Grandmaster Engineer to get slightly less busy. I'd considered suggesting we hire more dwarf engineers, but that might threaten to dilute the pleasingly radical bent the local guild is likely to develop, so the next best thing I can imagine is human engineers which...I'm a lot more ambivalent about, honestly. I doubt that'd give him less work in the long run, you know?

I'm also somewhat leery about describing having dragons as 'on-demand', as even the keebs elves have problems with that, and they have a lot more institutional experience with them than we do.

I'd be down with trying to develop a friendly pegasus herd to have added aerial cav potential though. Maybe discuss the possibility with the council, then see if we could entice some Amber Journeymen to come by and see if they could set up a workable agreement with one of the local herds? I know they're supposed to be skittish and untrusting, but that seems like the kind of thing we could address by taking a slow burn approach, maybe get one of the bolder colts to let us talk to them in, say, a decade or two before their dams hurriedly rush them off away from us.
Also, we'd probably need to talk to the We about it. I'd hate for our work to be undone because some Hunters saw prey and made a stab at them.

Fake edit: importing some would be expensive, but Belegar has cash to burn. If this was something he wanted to do I don't think money would be a problem, though I suspect it'd be more helpful for Ulrickadrin than Karak Eight Peaks.
I do think this would be a better sell to the Karak Nar council as a long term project for the humans rather then the dwarfs.

which you know, reason to play with humans in the peaks more!

@BoneyM could we bring this up with the karak nar humans as a long term idea?
 
Oh yes, Steed of Shadows. My bad.
Must be some way to trim away the fat on that and make it not a Battle Magic though.
I vaguely remember boney giving a word of GM that Steed of Shadows is a battle magic despite being a somewhat underpowered spell is because its trying to get the shadow wind to do a lot of different things outside of its preview and it really really doesn't like doing this spell.

the fat has been trimmed as much as possible already. (at least as far as anyone nows)
 
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I mean, I could see that working with a whole lot of things that have already happened. Most of our reports or suggested projects for Belegar, the Colleges gearing of our achievements, the potential casting styles we want to invent... the list goes on.
 
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