Ganurath
Literal Enthusiast
- Location
- A Valid Location
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- He/Him
If it's a thing dwarves have, it'll be indoors.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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- Location
- Chicago
- Pronouns
- She/They
About three hundred weavers, assume 50/50 m/f ratio? It's a start, I guess.
And I have no objections to sex work, but i suspect its going to be a very hard sell to get women to move to a place en mass when sex work is the main known role- too much social disapproval from the source populations. We want settlers, not just a different flavor of mercenaries.
I mean it could be a mistaken theory, it seems to fit the facts pretty well though, and obviously I consider it a much more solid stance than your position of "It isn't happening if we don't do it". As considering that the Undumgi are now rich and living in (relative) safety the disparity in gender ratios seems likely to be the most common complaint Fransesco is getting so the idea that no action will be taken now that the leisure to do so exists makes little sense to me.
We were literally told he wants to make Karag Nar a bustling trade city when we talked to him.
- Location
- California
Could always just pay/bribe them to move here.
I suspect it works even better when you have the resources of a rich dwarven king and not a rural town.
I suspect it works even better when you have the resources of a rich dwarven king and not a rural town.
- Location
- Chicago
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- She/They
I kinda expect that to be the approach, but you need to pitch them on it first.
Guile
Having a really great time right now
Without Court Wizard, we wouldn't interact with the Duckling Club or Belegar's Council nearly as much. We'd replace those interactions with sterile descriptions of labwork on AV or whatever.
I can't think of anything I'd like less.
You are not wrong, but Mathilde "marry for love" Weber is really not the right person to be asking Belegar to have a few kids for the good of the Kingdom.
(EDIT: Unless that was a proposition)
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- Location
- Berkeley
Given how important Belegar and K8P is likely to be/become in the traditionalist/radical divide among Dwarves, I could imagine the boon being useful in curtailing problematic escalation of the rift. Of course, we'd need to be REALLY sure we understood the full context of the issue, though, as obligations don't cancel. Creating another Slayer King or destroying the progressive movement in Dwarves is very much not something we want to risk.
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- Location
- United States
An idea for a boon I considered is creating an official project to study and reverse-engineer the Steam Tank, in cooperation with the Nuln Armory.
It's something the dwarfs would never do normally (Umgi tech? Pah!), but not something which would horribly tarnish Belegar's reputation - certainly not more than the already extremely untraditional actions he's taken. It'd be very useful to both the Empire and Karaz Ankor, what with gaining the ability to manufacture freaking tanks, as well as gaining the foundational technology behind them. Normally the cooperation of Nuln would be an issue, but their Elector Count currently loves Karak Eight Peaks, so that'll smooth things out considerably.
All in all a neat idea for our boon to consider.
It's something the dwarfs would never do normally (Umgi tech? Pah!), but not something which would horribly tarnish Belegar's reputation - certainly not more than the already extremely untraditional actions he's taken. It'd be very useful to both the Empire and Karaz Ankor, what with gaining the ability to manufacture freaking tanks, as well as gaining the foundational technology behind them. Normally the cooperation of Nuln would be an issue, but their Elector Count currently loves Karak Eight Peaks, so that'll smooth things out considerably.
All in all a neat idea for our boon to consider.
- Location
- New Brunswick, NJ
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- He/Him/His
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- California
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- Location
- Before the Ninth Gate
I take your point, but I also want to turn K8P into a Dawi Las Vegas. We have the gambling hall, we have the money.
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
Oh right, the gambling hall is going to be making money. Unless we put all the proceeds into the lottery, we're going to be picking up another income from that.
The lack of hope is real. The favourite pastime in the Karaz Ankor is grumbling about how far everything has fallen and how much better things were a few millennia back - and not without cause.
Karak Eight Peaks was basically as large and as culturally significant as Karaz-a-Karak and probably even more prosperous and cosmopolitan but it got lost alongside basically every southern hold other than Azul. For the matter the northern holds weren't doing much better either.
That's more than enough to make the population feel perpetually depressed and hopeless- they're living in what seems to be a hopeless slog against endless enemies.
What if they found the Vault of the Last Archrune-wizard of K8P?
A room with two bodies that obviously died fighting back to back. One an elf and the other bears the appearance of a rune master.
Countless fossilized goblins and orcs surrounded the pair.
It appears that the dwarf have been wounded and the elf was protecting him.
As the elf finaly dies (clued in by countless goblin arrow piercing him), the runemaster flooded the room with lava, entombing the both of them with the boddies of their enemies.
On their bodies, numerous magical artifact are still visible. A gromil rune crafted magical staff, a chainmail shirt worn by the dwarf made from elven silver, forging hammer with four runes.
The elf indeed dies defending his home and friends.
On the Undumgi population balance, keep in mind that this is an era without easy transportation. They're coming, but small escorted groups means its a trickle rather than a flood.
The target audience is:
-Young-ish - Older ones are more likely already married or else settled down into a life, a teen to twenty-something is a lot more likely to drop everything to see about snagging a wealthy bachelor than a thirty-something, who'd probably not be feeling too optimistic about the prospects.
-Relatively urban OR already wandering adventurer - News spreads SLOW, you might hear about it in a bigger city, but its a long ways out to Eight Peaks, It'd just barely make village gossip.
-Skills to make a living that they think are in demand - There's no actual assurance that after they get here, that one of the very rich ex-mercenaries would take a fancy to them. They need marketable skills of some sort, and while theres probably a market for a pretty face regardless, the ones who'd travel are likely hoping for a better job opening than that.
It helps that the weavers are coming in bulk, since its traditionally a "woman's trade" so they'd help add a bunch.
The target audience is:
-Young-ish - Older ones are more likely already married or else settled down into a life, a teen to twenty-something is a lot more likely to drop everything to see about snagging a wealthy bachelor than a thirty-something, who'd probably not be feeling too optimistic about the prospects.
-Relatively urban OR already wandering adventurer - News spreads SLOW, you might hear about it in a bigger city, but its a long ways out to Eight Peaks, It'd just barely make village gossip.
-Skills to make a living that they think are in demand - There's no actual assurance that after they get here, that one of the very rich ex-mercenaries would take a fancy to them. They need marketable skills of some sort, and while theres probably a market for a pretty face regardless, the ones who'd travel are likely hoping for a better job opening than that.
It helps that the weavers are coming in bulk, since its traditionally a "woman's trade" so they'd help add a bunch.
- Location
- Before the Ninth Gate
That money is Ranald's, though.
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
We'll send him the receipts.
Being a spooky mountain hermit instead of the clergy has its benefits.
Spend it to Shallyans.
Maybe set it up as Orphans and Widows' fund for any and all soldiers that settle down permanently at K8P?
- Location
- Before the Ninth Gate
That is something canonically done with Ranald's money.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
- Location
- Vermont
We can get that done for 10 favor. It doesn't really need the boon.
The 4 century war means that it would be unlikely that there would still be any Elves in Karak 8 Peaks when it fell.
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
So just set up a Shallyan temple next doors? We'll have to get Francesco on it, but as long as Boney puts bugging him about it as an option I don't see why we wouldn't take it.
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- Place
Regarding the transcendent boon, perhaps it can be used to alleviate the Slayer Problem.
I mean, it would be like slapping a fish to that one Slayer Hold but a boon that says 'this super awesome person that retook the Karak Eight Peaks asks that those dwarves who cannot fulfill their oaths anymore to look for another way to make their ancestors proud' would probably entice some dwarfs to notdie dye their hair orange but look for anything else to do, even drudgery. So long as hope exists and all that, which we've already proven.
@BoneyM is Mathilde's boon different from the other wizards? Considering she arguably planned and was instrumental the whole retake all Karaks in a single day thing. Who else received the boon other than the wizards?
I mean, it would be like slapping a fish to that one Slayer Hold but a boon that says 'this super awesome person that retook the Karak Eight Peaks asks that those dwarves who cannot fulfill their oaths anymore to look for another way to make their ancestors proud' would probably entice some dwarfs to not
@BoneyM is Mathilde's boon different from the other wizards? Considering she arguably planned and was instrumental the whole retake all Karaks in a single day thing. Who else received the boon other than the wizards?
- Location
- New Brunswick, NJ
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- He/Him/His
Because there are a lot of other things to do with our AP? There aren't a lot of Shallyans in K8P. Francesco will get to it when he gets to it.
This is something Belegar owes us. If we asked Belegar to find an alternative to Slayers... he would try, but setting him against tradition that way would probably break him or the Karak. He's already Stressed from that sort of thing. We have to approach the Slayer issue from another angle.