chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
Daemons aren't made out of Dhar, they just create the stuff. They're fundamentally just very nasty souls, which makes them divine magic.
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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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And even then, I wouldn't want to bet on it working if we decided to get in a spell-fight with Nagash or Malekith.
Nagash did manage to switch off all the attacking skaven's warptech when Clan Skyre came for Cripple Peak. Warpstone in its raw state may be stable, but when being used in Warptech it presumably sublimates back into true dhar as part of the process, at which point...
That's why it's worth ie being a sub-objective of the turn to prove to Johann that Mathilde should be let in on the secret. After this turn has (hopefully) proved to him how invaluable Mathilde's assistance is, she can sit him down and ask for an explanation, conditioning her future assistance on it.
My brain dropped them from the mental tally for a bit there. But the point stands. Those from Karak Izor who were most likely to speak human languages are the ones that did the fighting and went back home, rather than the ones that were along for colonization, who are mostly young artisans.
His boss following him home to tag along in his after-hours pet project is a lot less likely to garner goodwill and cooperation than making those trips part of his job.
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Why would Mathilde and Johann stealing/ sabotaging Skaven tech help the Spiders?
And really, I would prefer the two wizards to be quiet in their actions and not to rampage, so that Clan Mors doesn't go after the new enemies. They don't have to brilliant thinkers to guess what faction might be responsible.
If you want to help the relocation succeed, put the Coin on it.
Careful with taking 'you have to do the research to find out, but here's Mathilde's best guess' as rock-hard WoG.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
The response to the spiders hunting from the potential new nest is going to be to bring the warp fire throwers and guns over to shoot them. Stealing a warp fire thrower or two and sabotaging more on the way out reduces the threat to the spiders hunting over the next six months that this turn represents.
Kornet
Quite possibly a sloth abomination
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- Mother Russia
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Why not broker a deal between the Amber collage and the dwarves, the collage could probably use the dwarf favor, to a better advantage than Mathilde can, since the collage likely has no dwarf favor to begin with.
I'm not taking it that way, don't worry. I just went looking for information on the mater and presented it as is.
NavySeel
"I don't know what I'm doing."
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Van Hal seems to have been very competent to me I wouldn't be surprised if he maybe picked up one or two smallthings Nagash missed, but yeah probably nothing very useful though.
CuttleFish2.0
Friendly neighborhood cuttlefish
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I'm not talking about organized or large scale. But consider the issue of compounding failures. what if we also fail on the moving task? What if the We end up outside of the defenses, and because of those two failures we leave a part of angry Skaven into their new nest because of our previously failure lead then We to wanting to find a new nest on their own, or something. More importantly, what is the actual benefit of success? The mostly likely outcome is that Johann gains some minor examples of skaven tech (Mors after all is not heavy on their tech, being more martially focused) and Mathilde does some light opportunistic scavenging. That to me is not worth the risk of the worst possible failures.
If the spiders were already established I would be judging ti differently, but the plan is to do both now when the risks compound. This is what I'm talking about when I say that people are expecting success; very few people are considering the consequences of multiple failures in the places we can least afford them and instead stop about wildly succeeding beyond the scope of the actual options. Yes Boney will take into consideration how the thread was talking about options, but the will also take into account the goals of the characters involved; and currently the vote is to allow Johann to pursue one of his goals on Mors with us along the ride for aiding him with many of the arguments in favor of this being that we will get to see Johann in actions pursuing his personal goal and work alongside him towards that end while developing a personal relationship. Sabotage has only every been talked about as a secondary possibility, not as the main focus.
That means that it will happen if it is advantageous, but the structure of the vote also kind of puts Johann himself in charge of the goals of this little expedition and his goals are not going to be large scale sabotage. And I sincerely doubt Boney is going to look too kindly on people essentially trying to wiggle out a secondary free action by insinuating that we totally would do a bunch of sabotage that it's not a part of the intent of the option itself especially when there was actually an option for explicit efforts to sabotage in the turn options. Once again, I want to reiterate, my main frustration is that failure is not really being considered and it's possibility is not addressed. This is the first time I've actually seen someone voting for the Citadel plan address what they expect to happen if we fail.
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Isn't disrupting Clan Mors pretty dangerous? Not being dummies, they may guess that the Dwarves were responsible, and we don't want to kick off a war with the Skaven before the Dwarves are ready
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Because the skaven use warptech to fight spiders. If their warptech is stolen or sabotaged, they won't have it available to fight the spiders.
Beyond that, if Mathilde is spending weeks in and around Clan Mors holdings whilst she's also helping the spiders relocate, she will inevitably notice what Clan Mors' reactions are, and can tell the spiders what's happening so they are well positioning to react to whatever the skaven do in response.
NeonLights
Formerly Reliable_2IC
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- In shambles
For Belegar it's a financial transaction with possible complications, but for Mathilde it's an exchange of favors that earns her more dwarf reputation.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
The dwarves don't usually do intrigue style attacks, like what is being proposed the first thought the skaven will have is "Bloody underlings are trying to make me fail fail!" the second thought is that it's the work of the other skaven clans in the area.
I asked Boney about this:
"Allowing" him to go investigate a particular Skaven Clan would not be much different than explicitly asking him to investigate that same particular Skaven Clan.
Kornet
Quite possibly a sloth abomination
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- Mother Russia
I think that's the option "Deliver King Belegar's request to the College for a translation item (does not cost an action). "
It has a problem with being less benefitial to us personally than the "Request the translation item yourself (does not cost an action; converts 3 College Favour to Dwarf Favour). ", so the Ambers will have to do with Grey College favor instead.
Because dwarves are well known for being master infiltrators and saboteurs who is in your base, sealin' your stuff?
They're at war with several the Major Clans. The very obvious answer is that one of those has hired Clan Eshin to screw with them. Clan Mors has probably never even heard of a Grey Wizard. They will be painfully aware of what a Clan Eshin sorcerer or assassin can do, and Mathilde's MO is almost identical. They're not dummies, but Mathilde's way of waging war is utterly alien to anything the skaven would expect from dwarves.
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"This must be the work of an Enemy Clan!"
Nix's Warden
Welcome to Hades
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So, no idea if anyone pointed it out yet, but having both Matilda and Johann put the screws into Mors might not be the best idea, because yeah Fuck Skaven, but right now their holding back atleast Skyre and Moulder, along with a possible third Clan, and if we start headcaping Grey Seers, Warlords, and causing general mayhem, then the other Skaven might be able to over take them and establish themselves, and they might be abit more active on The Dwarf Issue then Clan Mors was given their essentially besieged status.
DarkLight140
Credit to Team
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- Lost in my thoughts
That's fair. There are no actions from Mathilde available to do dictating, though, so we can't do that. We're not in desperate need of publication and I don't think anyone voting for my plan is voting it in significant part because of that particular action, so I'd be willing to change it. I'm thinking that spider autopsies are probably the most useful of his other available actions; there's an argument to be made for written Reikspiel but it seems to me that any project to teach writing to a species which still needs magical assistance to comprehend even the spoken version of the language is going to be a high-difficulty uphill fight. So spider autopsies seem much more likely to produce useful positive results.
Anyone else who is voting for Magical Mathilde have an opinion on this one? I'd like at least a handful of people to chime in before changing it.
That's why we're not proposing the options to go full bore with sabotage and murder, just degrading their capabilities.
We also won't be headcapping Grey Seers, as they stand outside the skaven Clans, operating as direct agents of the Council of Thirteen. If there was a Grey Seer here there wouldn't be a skaven civil war, as he'd have stopped it.
In any case I think the longer term plan is to replace Clan Mors with the spiders as a much friendlier buffer in the Under-Citadel, and then have them move to just behind wherever the front line with the skaven moves to.
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