The core of the Expedition were Dwarves from the Holds with strong ties to the Empire. They've all gone home. Those that make up the Dwarven population are either Clan Hazkal, and thus from all over the place, or those that were waiting in Old Holds in hope of their ancestral Hold being retaken.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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The core of the Expedition were Dwarves from the Holds with strong ties to the Empire. They've all gone home. Those that make up the Dwarven population are either Clan Hazkal, and thus from all over the place, or those that were waiting in Old Holds in hope of their ancestral Hold being retaken.
Once the spiders speak Reikspeil, I think it's the sort of thing that would be mentioned at Council in thirty seconds and the Marshall can assign one of his less traditional Rangers to do the job. It shouldn't take a meaningful amount of his resources, as it would for us.
Because I don't think we're actually allowing him to do what he wants. We're 'allowing' him to do what we've decided he should do. It basically comes across as a passive aggressive way of ordering him to do something that fits in to Mathilde's plans. He'll just probably go along with it because it also advances his own plans, even if not as much as they could accomplish if they both did what he actually wants, but more than he could if he went solo.
I doubt he'll be more reckless with one of the Empire's secret police is clearly checking up on him.
It doesn't seem very likely. Why would the local greenskin or skaven speak Reikspeil. They may well have never seen a human, as we're a long way from human territory. They've been fighting each other and orcs for a long time, and when there were humans nearby, they were Strigoi who probably spoke a Nehekharan successor language.
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SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
The humans and Halflings sent the largest forces to help him. That's probably had a massive impact.
- Location
- Germany
But writing things out in Reikspiel is slow and not much use in tactical situations. And sure, we can do it later. The problem is that there is a lot of stuff that we want to do later. Unlike, say, the Snake Juice I am not all that certain that the thread won't forget about it in the future.
- Location
- Austria
Only two tasks on current job eh.....well, translation item kind of counts sideways. Two-three?
Not sure whether stealing actually helps spiders to relocate. If relocation sparks open conflict between them, stealing a couple of guns won't make the difference. And we are not guaranteed to steal anything that can actually be impactful in conflict.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
If we end up stealing a few of their warp fire throwers which the clan may have bought from Skyre in the past then they wont be able to resupply in the future.
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Johann (any Gold Wizard, really) is incredible at sabotage. We can steal a few for him to examine and utterly wreck the rest with very little time spent.
The answer is flashcards, clearly.
Have some more ambition...
Also, if we steal a couple of ratling guns or warpflame throwers from an armoury, there's no need to leave the rest completely working on the way out...
- Location
- Germany
The vote option explicitely says:
[Johann] Allow him to spend all his time investigating Clan Mors.
Or do think that BoneyM's formulation is meant to be ironic?
NavySeel
"I don't know what I'm doing."
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- Places
Strange that's pretty much the opposite to what you said in this post.
What I'd taken from this is you said you want some massive failure to punish people for not seeing things they way you do.
CuttleFish2.0
Friendly neighborhood cuttlefish
- Location
- Seattle, Washington.
So youre base expectation is that if we succeed, Mors' ability to deploy those weapons will be nil in the future, is that correct?
What if we fail? What is the worst case scenario for failure?
Quest
The Great One
- Location
- Everywhere
Huh. What do they think about the whole political conflict of old vs new?
Victory buys a lot of goodwill, but if the victories dry up so might the support from King Belegar's subjects.
Well, sort of. When your boss comes to you and say, 'You're allowed to do X', where X is something they want done, that's pretty much an order not to do Y or Z that are the alternative options. It's asserting the right to be able to determine what he's allowed to do or not do.
Particularly since with the Second Secret we can just poke one, watch them all explode and then blame the legendary unpredictably of Skaven tech
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The Great One
- Location
- Everywhere
How long till they get antsy?
NavySeel
"I don't know what I'm doing."
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- Places
Let's wait until Johan is out of the room before trying that
CuttleFish2.0
Friendly neighborhood cuttlefish
- Location
- Seattle, Washington.
I'll admit that in a moment of frustration I spoke a little more blithely than my actual thoughts ran, but the two statements are not entirely incompatible; the latter is a clarification. I don't want failure, but I think it might be good for us as a thread to experience it on a large scale, myself included, before we get any more complacent. Basically, my frustration is that basically none of the response to me have actually addressed my concerns about failure, instead the assume success. Maybe that's my own fault, maybe I haven't expressed them clearly enough, but they still haven't been addressed.
- Location
- Austria
If.
Sabotage is not the intent of the write-in, Johann has zero interest in it, we will only harm skaven if it is an accidental consequence of stealing something he found shiny.
That's not the wording of the task, nor the intention of Johann, and thus nor the spirit in which Boney is liable to interpret our assistance.
If you want to help spiders in relocation, put Gambler on Relocation, which is the place way more likely so house actual sabotage activities of Skaven who get in the way of relocation.
Sabotage is not stealing.
Additionally, while Johann may be a good mage, he is no infiltrator. We would likely do more harm by grabbing some explosives and sneaking them into the armory alone - because we alone are just plain sneakier and faster than with Chamonbender.
edit: where is this Quantum Stealing/Sabotage, which is quiet stealing when you argue it's totally not going to spark a war, and terrifying sabotage when you argue it's totally going to help spiders, even coming from?
Did I miss some WoG to this effect?
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Kornet
Quite possibly a sloth abomination
- Location
- Mother Russia
We have to be very careful with this technique. There is enough warpstone around to go the Karak 7.5 Peak route.
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- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Article: Relatively Simple - Magic 2 required to learn, Magic 3 to cast reliably.
Curse of Rust: One nearby metal item the size of a breastplate or smaller becomes pitted and useless.
Fault of Form: A single weapon temporarily becomes less suited to combat; any inherent flaws, unreliability or dangers are greatly increased.
Moderately Complicated - Magic 3 required to learn, Magic 5 to cast reliably.
Law of Age: A solid, inanimate object becomes brittle and much easier to break for several minutes.
Fiendishly Complex - Magic 5 required to learn, Magic 7 to cast reliably.
Law of Gold: Temporarily suppresses the abilities of a magical item.
Johann can:
-Instantly destroy any relatively small mundane item.
-Cause Clan Mors warpstone (already notoriously unstable) powered guns to explosively fail when used.
-Make larger items brittle and weak, causing them to be incredibly easy to destroy, or even fail under the forces they're normally exposed to.
-Straight up turn the magic on some items off. (Potentially, it's a Fiendish spell, he might not know it).
I expect that to be incredibly effective at sabotage.
Codex
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Sorry to bother you, but didn't Karak Izor send a massive force for recolonization? I thought they wanted to live in K8P, which is why they sent their Longbeards to take Karag Nar even if it was dangerous.
Also, does that mean all 3000 Karak Hirn Rangers went home? That significantly reduces our Ranger numbers.
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This comes down to the 'Mathilde is not a robot' issue. We've also been told that Johann is not an idiot and so we know he will have a way of infiltrating skaven settlements, stealing their stuff, and getting away. Personally I'm pretty curious about what that is.
Mathilde will be active in Clan Mors' holdings for the initial six months of the spider's presence, and so she'll gather relevant information or take advantage of targets of opportunity.
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FlyingScanian
Tea Addict
- Location
- Land of Eternal Night
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- He/Him
You're an optimistic one. We might well be looking at "Karak 4 half peaks and a crater" if things go bad...
It's not that bad, remember the chain reaction has to jump from Dhar source to Dhar source and stone grounds the magical energies, so we can just blow up everything in a room safely as long as there is no warpstone bridge out of said room.