... I mean, that's certainly a take that the population won't remember the violent death of people over weird wizards when chaos is a always present threat. Because that is what most peasents see wizards and magic as, the coming of chaos, of evil, of demise.
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Well yes, but that doesn't matter at all. By definition, so long as they don't organize themselves what they grumble in the privacy of their homes counts for nothing.
If someone were to ever cast such a spell of healing as the one that has been described, it'd be at the ruler's request.
And eventually they'd get used to it as a regular occurrence, just like they do with every other thing in their lives they don't like.
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We are not talking about grumbling, we are talking about soldiers having to protect the wizard from a riot.
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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What windows? It's Altdorf.
Altdorf has rioted over rich people taxes, and it had to be put down by military force. They're not going to not riot over magic.
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Who wins between the Altdorfers smug facade of being used to magic and their inborn desire to riot? Unstoppable force vs immovable object.
EDIT: Inside every Altdorfer there are two wolves
EDIT: Inside every Altdorfer there are two wolves
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What part of 'it doesn't matter' do you not get? They'll riot, they'll get put down. The wizards will do their job and get paid by their client. They will be mad they got put down but do nothing about it, because they get put down all the time and never do anything about it. It is irrelevant.
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deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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The difference is that a) the military is much less likely to be willing to put them down and b) the Sigmarites will likely back them. Rulers are not absolute and cannot afford to just ignore pissing off people the way you're implying.
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Officially the answer is grudges, unofficially those hammerers over there are going to want to speak with you if you keep asking questions.
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Powering something with grudges seems like a excellent perpetual motion machine... I am kinda curious if you somehow could do that... Iirc there are grudge runes for specific things that make weapons work better against them...
I will note that window taxes were a fairly common thing (it's easy to tax), and for example the common style of Georgian houses in Ireland/UK where the top most floor windows where the servants live are smaller goes back to that.
And IIRC, the Altdorf window riots were specifically because rich people were bricking up their own windows and making new ones in poor people's houses.
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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The Altdorf riots were due to soldiers making windows in poor people's houses (by kicking holes in them) while the rich bricked them up (a real solution to window taxes). But I'm not sure the default should be to assume windows when glass and fuel is expensive and winter is cold.
I'm not sure what you mean by this?
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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Suggesting most poorer people probably wouldn't have windows.
NSMS
Probably evil, unfortunately.
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Windows have historically been the default, as I understand it, for actually kind of the same reason you're saying they shouldn't be: fuel and candles are expensive. Buildings historically would generally have decent windows in every room to let in daylight so people could comfortably see in them, and wooden shutters (or something similar) to cover them up at night and in the winter.
Oh, ok. Yeah, you need windows to see, because artificial light is atrociously expensive, kinda dangerous (it's open fire), and frankly pretty bad. Doing actual work in the light of a flickering (low quality) candle is a total pain. Plus, a ton of soot, especially for the cheaper candles.
I'm not sure this applies in Warhammer, but in medieval europe you also had the believe that bad air was a major contributor/spreading vector to disease. That didn't necessarily mean keeping a window open all the time (one common believe was that bad vapors would rise during the night because of the moon), but it would certainly make them quite reluctant to live in a room with no lights.
I'm not sure this applies in Warhammer, but in medieval europe you also had the believe that bad air was a major contributor/spreading vector to disease. That didn't necessarily mean keeping a window open all the time (one common believe was that bad vapors would rise during the night because of the moon), but it would certainly make them quite reluctant to live in a room with no lights.
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Given how one of the moons in this setting actually gives off extremely bad vibes that are bad for your health, I would imagine that people in-setting do in fact might have the belief that windows shouldn't be kept open during the night.
Yeah, but the point was that medieval people would want windows for false health reasons, in addition to the many real health reasons you would want windows for.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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Difficult to find a peasant house tall enough that it would actually kill them, though.
pucflek
Verified simpleton
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- Czech Republic
Where there is a will, there is a way.
NSMS
Probably evil, unfortunately.
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Maybe if you throw them out of enough windows is quick succession...?
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And we could get the Amethysts to make a fourth infinitely scaling sun for home defence.
NuclearConsensus
Herald of the Thorned One
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A well would do as well.
As would a wall!
The act of ambush seems to be emphasized, emulating how Qu'aph supposedly acted before the coming of humanity.
He's the uncontested God of Cobras and seems to be in competition for snakes in general.
He seemed to be indifferent to the legality of an action.
Not really. Snakes seems to be considered a large conceptual territory in Nehekharan thought, with plenty of room for multiple Gods to coexist between.
A significant part of Basth's veneration is that her blessing is able to keep peoples' homes safe from cobras.