Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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At least in pickle's plan, the "look for gribblies" action could be replaced with Kazador scouting - seems like a good thing to bring Eike on, too.
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I still want her to come to Lothern! That's why I have her on the KAU action!
Yeah, I was torn between the Ward of Storms one (to make better use of Protector and maybe skill up Eonir Diplomacy) vs "[ ] Receive training: Scouting from the Rangers of Karak Azul" and putting Eike on that, along with maybe a write-in for looking for an opportunity to give Eike combat experience (to get an Intrigue skillup).
Don't worry, I shall make a plan involving it. Mostly because Shadow Wizard Murder Gang doesn't have nearly enough murder in it for the name.
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That is a good point about stuff she can do while Mathilde isn't around. My concern is that I would ideally like her to learn Bless Weapon before taking her fight gribblies in either Eastern Stirland or Laurelorn Forest. I don't mind adding Learn Khazalid as another study action, but I am worried about giving her to much to do. Maybe she doesn't need to learn Bless Weapon yet, I'll think about it. Overall however I disagree that "finding shinies" is uninteresting and I really prefer Eike study actions with good writing hooks because I want to read more of Boney's writing about Eike's adventures while she is not just tagging along with whatever we do.
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With Mathilde most of the way there already I would be surprised if the scouting training involved some live fire action, being honest.
That followed by her mathilding all over whatever the problem is might get some protector action in too. How juicy it gets depends on the roll in either action, I imagine.
Sure, it'll generations before it is a problem. But this time lines of communication exist, beyond just Nordland and the people currently making money off the trees. Now Laurelorn and the Empire have signed a treaty with the Karaz Ankor, Ulthuan, and Kislev to stating that they will respect the waystone network. It'll be a hell of a lot harder for humans to cut down the trees from now on. The treaty breaches happened because Laurelorn kept on forgiving incursions and eventually they grew into a portion of the Ward of Frost being under human control. Why would Laurelorn even allow a single breach now? Is Ulthuan going to start encouraging the decline of the Waystone Network? Is the Karaz Ankor going to stop being dwarfs about agreements?
Pointing out that the current waystone isn't perfectly optimized for their needs isn't the best argument when your plan isn't making one that is. If you want Laurelorn to not feel annoyed at being passed over, give them reason to think their contributions are being kept in mind. Killing gribblies in the place on the opposite side of the human problem area and giving them bandaids to the waystone problem isn't that.
I also can't see Laurelorn ripping up the Lornalim even if they got full waystones.
Alchemy is doing chemistry when you can use magic to temporarily change some of the properties of the chemicals. You can do some crazy shit if you can tell your nitrogen groups to simmer down and play nice with each other, even if you're at the stage of chemistry where you don't know what a nitrogen is. It's mostly a Gold thing because altering material properties is what Chamon does, and other Wizards would be limited to manipulating substances that resonate with their Wind. Alchemy would be an Advanced Magic topic, but Golds won't let you have them because that's their entire thing.
Potions are made with magical ingredients and have magical effects based directly on those ingredients.
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@Boney, normally we get magic items and the like in the purchase update and that's usually fine. If we end up going with a plan that doesn't use the magic item, we still have it. Potions spoil though, which makes it problematic to get them. Would it be feasible to get them during a turn update or would that cause problems?
I like this plan, though spending 2 actions in Laurelorn feels like a lot after how much time we've spent there. If our goal is to ingratiate ourselves with them, deploying tributaries seems like a much more significant action. Given we'd need to choose between actually using the protector (focusing on finding the big gribbly) and exploring the ward to train Eike, it seems even more tenuous.
An alternative would be to build a new waystone, primarily to head off the problem you identified below:
This would let us build an alternate design with different strengths to the existing one. My thought is to focus more on easier/faster construction (not requiring archmages) and deployment away from rivers. That would be a good way to signal that everybody is getting a waystone, not just people with convenient rivers.
Basically, what I think I want is this plan:
The answer to 'can I specify in a plan to acquire something instead of having to wait to the end of turn' is 'yes'. That said, everything related to potions needs to be explicitly okayed by me before it comes anywhere near entering into a plan because people love to come up with cunning plans on the assumption that I won't actually roll for the 2% chance of instant death, and I haven't read and absolutely don't feel myself bound by whatever 4e has come up with regarding them.
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- I definitely think Eike should be on the EIC action and not the KAU one. The Schadensumpf route is more directly relevant to her than going to Lothern.
- This is just me, but I would prefer to actually go train with the guy who has taught Greenskins to fear the mountains around Karak Azul rather than personally help the Faniour/get to know the Ward of Storms in this way.
- Are you sure you wouldn't rather sacrifice one action next turn, to have one more this turn and use it to obtain some more info about Druchii from Walther Kupfer?
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Wait is it a flat 2% chance of instant death no matter what, or is it like in Realms of Sorcery where it's 2% chance if an Extreme Volatility potion has spoiled?
The two potions I'm interested in are the Potion of Pain Denied (Major Volatility) and the Potion of Perceptive Clarity (Moderate Volatility). Would Mathilde benefit from the latter or do her magical senses mean she doesn't benefit from better hearing and seeing?
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I think Potion of Perceptive Clarity should be about regular hearing and seeing.
Edit: You know what, maybe it's better not to use potions. The more I look at the negative results, the worse it gets.
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We should help Eike to get over her malus on the no making noise aspect.
So she can learn the noise making spell.
Referably before we go to Ulthuan...
The only way there's any chance at all of me okaying this is if you tell me exactly what it is you're trying to do. Asking extremely specific questions to lock an answer in before I know what your plan is just makes me assume the worst and think I should give a blanket no to all potion-related shenanigans.
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The Potion of Perceptive Clarity is about regular hearing and seeing, but what I'm not sure is if Mathilde benefits from regular hearing and seeing, or if her magical senses obsolete them.
I think the Potency Draught would be better for Eike than Mathilde. The Strength bonus doesn't help Mathilde since Branulhune doesn't rely on her strength at all, and the Potion of Pain Denied provides greater Toughness.
Oh, sorry, I was trying to run things past you but I didn't try hard enough.
The potions are for elfcation. The Potion of Perceptive Clarity is intended to be for when Mathilde is infiltrating a camp or interested in detecting highly skilled Druchii. In the former case, the purpose is to gain greater spatial awareness (hearing patrols and the like) and finding things of interest. In the latter case, it's to avoid getting assassinated while on a mission where there's a high chance of that or else to hunt an assassin that's good at hiding.
The Potion of Pain Denied is to assist in battle. The intent is to make Mathilde harder to injure, as well as to withstand pain, which is good because the Druchii are good at causing pain. If Mathilde is in pain, she fights and magicks worse.
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Neither of these seem worth the chance of things going wrong, to me. Mathilde is very good at both these things without chemical aids and the possibility of side effects is harder to mitigate than just...avoiding or dealing with the situations that would necessitate them.
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If a flat 2% chance of death is the case, then I agree.
[ ] [ ] [ ] Travel to Nagarythe at the invitation of Ambassador Daroir, and join their eternal war against Naggarothi invaders for three months.
[] Receive training: specify who and what. (acquaintances may train you for free, or you can hire someone with money or favours)
- [] Train your Scouting with King Kazador by joining his throng in hunting greenskins.
-[] Explore one of the Wards of Laurelorn (Storm)
--[] Write-in: Try to aid the local Faniour against gribblies and get Eike live combat experience
Quick question guys, under what category would I write-in the whacking of Iron Orcs? It's the last thing needed to maximize our murder for the turn, you see.
[] Receive training: specify who and what. (acquaintances may train you for free, or you can hire someone with money or favours)
- [] Train your Scouting with King Kazador by joining his throng in hunting greenskins.
-[] Explore one of the Wards of Laurelorn (Storm)
--[] Write-in: Try to aid the local Faniour against gribblies and get Eike live combat experience
Quick question guys, under what category would I write-in the whacking of Iron Orcs? It's the last thing needed to maximize our murder for the turn, you see.
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@Boney to be clear this was being sincere and admitting fault, not being sarcastic. Apologies if it came off as sarcasm.
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[ ] Plan Father Daughter Time
-COIN: Father
- 1AP Overwork
-[1] Attempt to bring a non-Order magical tradition into the Waystone Project (Bretonnian Damsels)
-[2] Waystone: Nexuses, Forest of Shadows
-[3] Waystone: Other Networks, Kislev
-[4] Waystone: Deploy in Kislev (Praag)
-[5] EGRIMM: Attempt a Windherder enchantment with Egrimm (Auditory Seviroscope) Spend 2 CF for a Journeyman with Auditory Magesight to help out
-[ ] Waystone: Mapping Tilea, Estalia,with JOHANN
-[6] MAX: Receive dictation: Linguistic Drift in Lizardmen Glyphs & The Polyphenic Theory of Lizardmen Society
-[ ] EIC: Assist in the creation of the magical route through the Schadensumpf, both personally and with the EIC's influence and resources
-[ ] KAU: Seek an exchange arrangement with another Library or a Karak's archives to be able to make copies of their corpus (Karak Vlag Archives)
-[ ] SERENITY: Write a book : Aethyric Vitae 2/2
-[ ] Eike Study: Spellbook, language- Kislevarin
-[ ] Eike Actions: EIC, Seviroscope, Waystone mapping, Waystone deployment
[ ] Plan Knight Time
-COIN: Gambler
- 1AP Overwork
-[1] Attempt to bring a non-Order magical tradition into the Waystone Project (Bretonnian Damsels)
-COIN: Gambler
-[2] Codify the spell Knightbringer
-[3] Waystone: Other Networks, Kislev
-[4] Waystone: Deploy in Kislev (Praag)
-[5] EGRIMM: Attempt a Windherder enchantment with Egrimm (Auditory Seviroscope) Spend 2 CF for a Journeyman with Auditory Magesight to help out
-[ ] Waystone: Mapping Tilea, Estalia,with JOHANN
-[6] MAX: Receive dictation: Linguistic Drift in Lizardmen Glyphs & The Polyphenic Theory of Lizardmen Society
-[ ] EIC: Assist in the creation of the magical route through the Schadensumpf, both personally and with the EIC's influence and resources
-[ ] KAU: Seek an exchange arrangement with another Library or a Karak's archives to be able to make copies of their corpus (Karak Vlag Archives)
-[ ] SERENITY: Write a book : Aethyric Vitae 2/2
-[ ] Eike Study: Spellbook, language- Kislevarin
-[ ] Eike Actions: EIC, Seviroscope, Waystone mapping, Waystone deployment
-COIN: Father
- 1AP Overwork
-[1] Attempt to bring a non-Order magical tradition into the Waystone Project (Bretonnian Damsels)
-[2] Waystone: Nexuses, Forest of Shadows
-[3] Waystone: Other Networks, Kislev
-[4] Waystone: Deploy in Kislev (Praag)
-[5] EGRIMM: Attempt a Windherder enchantment with Egrimm (Auditory Seviroscope) Spend 2 CF for a Journeyman with Auditory Magesight to help out
-[ ] Waystone: Mapping Tilea, Estalia,with JOHANN
-[6] MAX: Receive dictation: Linguistic Drift in Lizardmen Glyphs & The Polyphenic Theory of Lizardmen Society
-[ ] EIC: Assist in the creation of the magical route through the Schadensumpf, both personally and with the EIC's influence and resources
-[ ] KAU: Seek an exchange arrangement with another Library or a Karak's archives to be able to make copies of their corpus (Karak Vlag Archives)
-[ ] SERENITY: Write a book : Aethyric Vitae 2/2
-[ ] Eike Study: Spellbook, language- Kislevarin
-[ ] Eike Actions: EIC, Seviroscope, Waystone mapping, Waystone deployment
[ ] Plan Knight Time
-COIN: Gambler
- 1AP Overwork
-[1] Attempt to bring a non-Order magical tradition into the Waystone Project (Bretonnian Damsels)
-COIN: Gambler
-[2] Codify the spell Knightbringer
-[3] Waystone: Other Networks, Kislev
-[4] Waystone: Deploy in Kislev (Praag)
-[5] EGRIMM: Attempt a Windherder enchantment with Egrimm (Auditory Seviroscope) Spend 2 CF for a Journeyman with Auditory Magesight to help out
-[ ] Waystone: Mapping Tilea, Estalia,with JOHANN
-[6] MAX: Receive dictation: Linguistic Drift in Lizardmen Glyphs & The Polyphenic Theory of Lizardmen Society
-[ ] EIC: Assist in the creation of the magical route through the Schadensumpf, both personally and with the EIC's influence and resources
-[ ] KAU: Seek an exchange arrangement with another Library or a Karak's archives to be able to make copies of their corpus (Karak Vlag Archives)
-[ ] SERENITY: Write a book : Aethyric Vitae 2/2
-[ ] Eike Study: Spellbook, language- Kislevarin
-[ ] Eike Actions: EIC, Seviroscope, Waystone mapping, Waystone deployment
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This seems alright to me from a purely mechanical standpoint. However, I'm picturing myself writing this scene and I find myself having to justify where this came from. Mathilde has honed her Magesight to an absurd degree and has mastered the spell Aethyric Armour, that's where she gets her edge for senses and durability. For her to start mistrusting those and begin downing potions made by some hitherto unmentioned character for an extra edge at this point in her career feels fundamentally wrong. She didn't do it in Sylvania, she didn't do it in Karak Eight Peaks, why is she doing it here? I can find answers to that, but they're not fun ones. Because she cares more about Ulthuan opinions than human or Dwarven or Eonir ones? Because she's on the wrong side of forty and has been hanging out with the eternally pretty? Because defending Ulthuan's shittiest real estate against the latest wave of disposable mooks that the Druchii kicked off the boat here is more important to her than any battle she's fought previously? If it's voted for I'd write it, but I don't think the thread will enjoy where that goes.
Then, would you be open to making a plan without elfcation too?
Would not be my favorite use of time compared to so many other actions we might be doing.
I also think you have a much better idea of what actions would be good to put in if we avoid the elfcation than I do, so any thoughts would be appreciated.
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How much does being on the wrong side of 40 even matter anyway?
Last I can recall Mathilde's general magic-ness has hit snooze button on her senescence
She's probably not ageless (yet) but she noted she hasn't been slowing down the way someone her age would be expected to
It doesn't seem like she would be worried about getting old or slow
Last I can recall Mathilde's general magic-ness has hit snooze button on her senescence
She's probably not ageless (yet) but she noted she hasn't been slowing down the way someone her age would be expected to
It doesn't seem like she would be worried about getting old or slow