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I edited it in, but you're too fast for me!
Yeah, Johann's doing that because our pool of artefacts is actually looking a little bare.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
- Location
- Vermont
Boris's reward for us helping Kislev with Drycha was pointing her our way.
Edit: Weber'd Again
Right, but the thing is Laurelorn doesn't actually give a damn about installing Waystones in their territory in the first place. The magic they have is mostly the magic they want, and when it isn't that's because of Beastmen who need to be killed before it can be fixed. The thing they want, is a connection to siphon power off the network for their magical infrastructure. It doesn't matter to them where the Waystones are so long as they get a cut of the energy that is coming in.
Also, they are elves. The fact that our Waystone is ready now rather than in a hundred years is both surprising and mildly disturbing to their sensibilities, and I suspect they'll be happy to let someone else be the guinea pig.
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- Location
- Actually pretty lost
Here's last turn's actions:
I feel I did get good actions for all 3 WEB-MAT members, but we're running a little low on research material they're suitable for, funnily enough - this Elfcation might hopefully stock us up a bit on less-illegal knickknacks.
We didn't do any WEB-MAT actions last turn, so I'd like to do them this turn. It's not great to leave them with nothing to do two turns in a row.
I feel I did get good actions for all 3 WEB-MAT members, but we're running a little low on research material they're suitable for, funnily enough - this Elfcation might hopefully stock us up a bit on less-illegal knickknacks.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
- Location
- Vermont
Maybe the Kurgan Shrine?
He could presumably at least give us some insight into it's construction.
Parabola
Divided Loyalties Librarian
- Location
- The Destination of Fate
- Pronouns
- She/Her
I'm pretty sure someone asked and Boney said that all the off-screen project members including Johann and Max were doing minor but important work while the Waystone was being built. I wouldn't worry about it.
That said, I do want to see our boys more on-screen.
So I've put together a draft plan that deploys a waystone and continues research, does a bit of self improvement, completes the Seviriscope paper and goes on the Elfcation, as well as continuing to train Eike. I don't expect it to win but hopefully it might generate some discussion.
[]Plan: Deploying the Waystones and Flexing our way out the door
-[] Borrow - 2 AP from next turn
-[]Overwork - 6 AP total
-[] Waystone: Deploy in Kislev (specify which: Praag Region, Troll Country, Kalti Delta) [TBC] 1
--[] All major members of the project + Eike.
--[] Invite the Uluthan Ambassador and the Supreme Patriarch
-[ ] SELF IMPROVEMENT]Attempt to finish off the Grey College spellbook by learning Shadow of Death, Cloak Activity, and the MAPP. 2
--[] Bring Eike along to learn MMAP
-[ ] [SERENTITY] Write a paper: Aethyric Vitae
-[] Travel to Nagarythe at the invitation of Ambassador Daroir, and join their eternal war against Naggarothi invaders for three months. 3
--[]BORROW 2 AP FROM NEXT TURN
-[] WEBMAT - MAX: Receive dictation: specify which two papers or one book will be written. 4
--[] Seviriscope
--[] Coins of Nehekhara's Fifth Dynasty (TIMELESS)
-[ ] Waystone: Other Networks [] 5
--[] Laurelorn with Lord Hatalath of the Grey Lords, Vicereine Cadaeth of the Ward of Frost, Lecturer Sarvoi of House Tindomiel
-[ ] Try to see through Pall of Darkness with your improved magical senses. 6
--[] Use this to work with Eike on moving quietly even when she cannot see. Give her the groundings of some more advanced magical theory (but don't let her try and cast it without magic 3).
-[] EIC (FREE) Found an auditors division, to make sure the ledgers are in order.
-[ ] Kron-Azril-Ungol Begin copying the full corpus of a Partner Library.
--[] Imperial School of Engineers
So the objectives of this:
Finish up the Gigaflex.
Working with Max to ensure we can also leave plans of the Seviriscope.
Deploy the first waystones - Inviting Dragomas as the Head of the Colleges and the Uluthan Ambassador as Uluthan is a signatory to the accords. One potential diplomatic flex could be to send an invite to Bretonnia for a represntative of theirs to attend (ideally a damsel) - @Boney is this feasible/something we could should do without consulting the Chamberlian of the Seal?
@Boney Are the following valid write in Eike actions?:
-Take Eike along on the the [] finish off the Grey spellbook option to learn MMAP
- Use your own Pall of Darkness training to help train Eike on moving quietly even when she cannot see. Give her the groundings of some more advanced magical theory used in Pall of Darkness (but don't let her try and cast it without magic 3).
THe plan also focuses Improving ourselves to complete the Grey spellbook so that any Shadow Warrior advice does not start with "learn the rest of the Spellbook". It also works on Pall of Darkness because it could be a really, really good trick to have when fighting Dark Elves.
I'm open to the second Max paper. I just wanted to ensure we leave behind the Seviriscope. Both for the Gigaflex hilarity and in case the worst happened. I picked Nehekhara as it publically establishes some interest in the subject ahead of us looking for tutors so we can study Vlad's enchantment notes.
Putting in some time to study Laurelorn's network both to not neglect the Waystones and to give Mathilde a bit of dedicated time with (admittedly different) elves to set up her mindest ahead of the Elfcation. Honestly, I mostly plugged it in for another waystone action, so I'm open to changing it.
Potential Substitutes -Instead of working with pall of darkness we could:
And now, sleep.
[]Plan: Deploying the Waystones and Flexing our way out the door
-[] Borrow - 2 AP from next turn
-[]Overwork - 6 AP total
-[] Waystone: Deploy in Kislev (specify which: Praag Region, Troll Country, Kalti Delta) [TBC] 1
--[] All major members of the project + Eike.
--[] Invite the Uluthan Ambassador and the Supreme Patriarch
-[ ] SELF IMPROVEMENT]Attempt to finish off the Grey College spellbook by learning Shadow of Death, Cloak Activity, and the MAPP. 2
--[] Bring Eike along to learn MMAP
-[ ] [SERENTITY] Write a paper: Aethyric Vitae
-[] Travel to Nagarythe at the invitation of Ambassador Daroir, and join their eternal war against Naggarothi invaders for three months. 3
--[]BORROW 2 AP FROM NEXT TURN
-[] WEBMAT - MAX: Receive dictation: specify which two papers or one book will be written. 4
--[] Seviriscope
--[] Coins of Nehekhara's Fifth Dynasty (TIMELESS)
-[ ] Waystone: Other Networks [] 5
--[] Laurelorn with Lord Hatalath of the Grey Lords, Vicereine Cadaeth of the Ward of Frost, Lecturer Sarvoi of House Tindomiel
-[ ] Try to see through Pall of Darkness with your improved magical senses. 6
--[] Use this to work with Eike on moving quietly even when she cannot see. Give her the groundings of some more advanced magical theory (but don't let her try and cast it without magic 3).
-[] EIC (FREE) Found an auditors division, to make sure the ledgers are in order.
-[ ] Kron-Azril-Ungol Begin copying the full corpus of a Partner Library.
--[] Imperial School of Engineers
So the objectives of this:
Finish up the Gigaflex.
Working with Max to ensure we can also leave plans of the Seviriscope.
Deploy the first waystones - Inviting Dragomas as the Head of the Colleges and the Uluthan Ambassador as Uluthan is a signatory to the accords. One potential diplomatic flex could be to send an invite to Bretonnia for a represntative of theirs to attend (ideally a damsel) - @Boney is this feasible/something we could should do without consulting the Chamberlian of the Seal?
@Boney Are the following valid write in Eike actions?:
-Take Eike along on the the [] finish off the Grey spellbook option to learn MMAP
- Use your own Pall of Darkness training to help train Eike on moving quietly even when she cannot see. Give her the groundings of some more advanced magical theory used in Pall of Darkness (but don't let her try and cast it without magic 3).
THe plan also focuses Improving ourselves to complete the Grey spellbook so that any Shadow Warrior advice does not start with "learn the rest of the Spellbook". It also works on Pall of Darkness because it could be a really, really good trick to have when fighting Dark Elves.
I'm open to the second Max paper. I just wanted to ensure we leave behind the Seviriscope. Both for the Gigaflex hilarity and in case the worst happened. I picked Nehekhara as it publically establishes some interest in the subject ahead of us looking for tutors so we can study Vlad's enchantment notes.
Putting in some time to study Laurelorn's network both to not neglect the Waystones and to give Mathilde a bit of dedicated time with (admittedly different) elves to set up her mindest ahead of the Elfcation. Honestly, I mostly plugged it in for another waystone action, so I'm open to changing it.
Potential Substitutes -Instead of working with pall of darkness we could:
- Study the Waystone foundation for enchanting ideas - I'm always up for more enchanting.
- Work With Egrimm and Eike to develop a portable sound based Seviriscope - In this case, have Max's second paper be on that. This would also give us a free Web Mat AP, but I'm not sure what to use it on.
- Borrow less AP from next turn.
And now, sleep.
- Location
- New Brunswick, NJ
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
Boney confirmed that they assisted with Waystone creation. This was a major concern I had for this turn; one turn off is NBD, but two turns in a row would be a problem.
So, while "I like WEB-MAT and want to do stuff with them" is absolutely valid, we should not feel that we have to use them or they will be sad with our management.
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- Actually pretty lost
Yeah, I was torn between the shrine and the sword's flash for Johann. I decided that maybe him being blind would allow him to closely examine as it happens without getting blinded each time, but it could equally be argued that the guy with no eyes isn't the best pick for examining the cause of a flash.
Ah, I didn't know that!
Well, it's probably good to have a WEB-MAT plan floating around anyway.
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Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
- Location
- Vermont
The other idea would be Pickle's idea of joining the Fanrior to fight some gribblies with Eike, just bringing Johann along with us as well.
NuclearConsensus
Herald of the Thorned One
- Location
- the Philippines
Meh. I said it when we had the opportunity to gain money for the Ithilmar sale, and I'll say it again today: if those people really wanted to buy lots of Ulthuan shinies they would have voted for the money. Since they didn't, then it seems like they weren't interested. Besides, unique shinies isn't the point of elfcation, just a nice to have.
Both are valid.
Abby Normal
High Clerk of the Ymaryn
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Sketching out the vague outline of a plan, to be pondered more tomorrow ideally with suggestions from others 
3 actions i consider essential for waystone project
-[ ] Waystone: Deploy (Probably in pragg, but i can see Laurelorn or *maybe* stirland/sylvania or even black water as i mentioned in my earlier post)
-[ ] Tributary: International (Kislev)
-[ ] Waystone: Other Networks (Kislev)
2 AP on 3 Webmat actions. Three of the following, in rough order of my interest in them:
-[ ] MAX: Receive dictation
-[ ] (One or all of webmat, i forget if our gold wizards have any interest or skill in enchanting): [ ] Study the Waystone foundation enchantment for enchanting technique insights (NEW)
-[ ] Webmat: one of the waystone project mapping actions; maybe seeking the lost black fire pass nexus?
-[ ] EGRIMM: Introduce Egrimm to Cython with hopes of some sort of information exchange
1 AP to either save (not using overwork) or use forwhatever wedge issue will get voters interested something like a personal training action or codification?
Organization and etc:
EIC: Found an auditors division, to make sure the ledgers are in order.
KAU: There are many options...probably get the scribes to learn eltharin? They certainly have enough material to practice with now XD
-[] SERENITY: Aethyric Vitae 2/2
Eike: I'm tentatively inclined towards the 'have her take enchanting lessons' option?
Coin: Gambler. The 'obvious' keystone action is waystone deployment, though i'm not sure if it would actually have much room to work. Maybe the foundation enchantment studies, though again i'm not sure how suited that is to luck manipulation. If a webmat action does end up being seeking the lost nexus, that would be a good choice i think?
Edit:
More things to consider tomorrow...probably tomorrow evening, unless i wake up early enough to catch up on the thread before my best friend comes over to hang out
Edit: One last edit before bed, i think with that in mind, i'd be considering replacing the webmat actions with something like another waystone design action and a tributaries (nordland) action since thats apparently the right option for getting stuff deployed in laurelorn
3 actions i consider essential for waystone project
-[ ] Waystone: Deploy (Probably in pragg, but i can see Laurelorn or *maybe* stirland/sylvania or even black water as i mentioned in my earlier post)
-[ ] Tributary: International (Kislev)
-[ ] Waystone: Other Networks (Kislev)
2 AP on 3 Webmat actions. Three of the following, in rough order of my interest in them:
-[ ] MAX: Receive dictation
-[ ] (One or all of webmat, i forget if our gold wizards have any interest or skill in enchanting): [ ] Study the Waystone foundation enchantment for enchanting technique insights (NEW)
-[ ] Webmat: one of the waystone project mapping actions; maybe seeking the lost black fire pass nexus?
-[ ] EGRIMM: Introduce Egrimm to Cython with hopes of some sort of information exchange
1 AP to either save (not using overwork) or use for
Organization and etc:
EIC: Found an auditors division, to make sure the ledgers are in order.
KAU: There are many options...probably get the scribes to learn eltharin? They certainly have enough material to practice with now XD
-[] SERENITY: Aethyric Vitae 2/2
Eike: I'm tentatively inclined towards the 'have her take enchanting lessons' option?
Coin: Gambler. The 'obvious' keystone action is waystone deployment, though i'm not sure if it would actually have much room to work. Maybe the foundation enchantment studies, though again i'm not sure how suited that is to luck manipulation. If a webmat action does end up being seeking the lost nexus, that would be a good choice i think?
Edit:
Of course right as i hit send i find out theres something i was mistaken about and so this outline is already potentially flawed
More things to consider tomorrow...probably tomorrow evening, unless i wake up early enough to catch up on the thread before my best friend comes over to hang outEdit: One last edit before bed, i think with that in mind, i'd be considering replacing the webmat actions with something like another waystone design action and a tributaries (nordland) action since thats apparently the right option for getting stuff deployed in laurelorn
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- Australia
Learning by immersion requires immersion. All of the actions she's currently on take place far away from dwarves - six months away from Khazalid speakers. She won't learn it unless we have her study it - the fastest way - or have her spend a prolonged amount of time actually working with dwarves. The current plan would instead be great for having her learn Eltharin by immersion.
I do have an idea though: two Study Actions. The total amount of "Eike AP" spent would be 3 AP + 2 half-AP. That'll give her time to get all the skills we want her to learn and still have 2 AP left over to relax and do her own thing (or else spend more time learning enchanting and Khazalid).
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They have the tributaries, they're just not working on them because the Ice Witches and Hag Witches need to focus on rebuilding their infrastructure before they can start deploying them all across Kislev. If we have to do the action again for them to start, I think we should wait to do it until we've developed more tributaries Kislev can use.
To be fair to the Ice Witches, that's mostly a matter of them having lost their previous capacity. They're not entirely sure how to modifty their network and they probably don't have a complete idea of what it does. A more senior Ice Witch could have shared more, but the majority of them are illiterate. As Boney said, they're Sigmarites thirty years after the century long reign of Emperor Vlad von Carstein.
None of the options that Boney offered send the energy to Laurelorn though. I mean, they won't care that much even if it does, but this argument is just bad. Kislev's network is entirely self contained, as is the Karaz Ankor's network. The locations in the Empire don't feed into Laurelorn's network either. It's completely on the wrong side of the Empire for that. The Imperial nexuses that feed into Tor Lithanel are Middenheim, Neues Emskrank, and Salzenmund.
Elves do not work more slowly than humans. They are entirely capable of working as quickly. They just have less drive to do so because of their age. For example, we know that it takes about the same amount of time to achieve the same mastery in a given Wind as it takes a human.
And yes Laurelorn wants waystones in its own territory? They're missing 20 to 50% of their waystones. That's bad. Not as bad as other places, but elves can also expect to have to live to experience the consequences today's humans won't. They want that problem resolved. I'm also pretty sure they know how to siphon energy off the network. Cadaeth told Mathilde that it could be done quite easily.
- Location
- Before the Ninth Gate
We can get cash by looting, and waiting on this until we get lucky enough to find new cash isn't a good idea IMO.
[] Plan Waystone and Travel
-[] 1 AP Overwork, no T45 actions used
-[] Waystone: Deploy in Kislev (Praag Region)
--[] With Zlata and Baba Niedzwenka
-[] Waystone: Build a Waystone (ALL)
-[] Tributary: Dreaming Wood (Nordland)
--[] With Cadaeth, Sarvoi, and Hatalath
-[] [] [] Travel to Nagarythe at the invitation of Ambassador Daroir, and join their eternal war against Naggarothi invaders for three months.
-[] EIC: Found an auditors division, to make sure the ledgers are in order.
-[] KAU: Seek the publishing contacts to start acquiring large amounts of books from a nearby realm (Lothern)
-[] SERENITY: Aethyric Vitae 2/2
-[] COIN: The Protector
-[] Eike Actions: Deploy a Waystone, KAU action, EIC action
-[] Eike Study: Enchanting class at the Grey College (paid in CF)
A few key differences from the murdergang option:
First, we should build another waystone. Maybe use a different setup, but we should work on either putting out at least one waystone/turn or setting stuff up that a waystone/half year begins being generated. Each waystone is a huge deal, and the more and sooner we get going, the better. I know it's a little boring because it's not the first one, but it's still incredibly important.
We are very clearly in an exploit phase in regards to waystones. Exploring is useful, but you gotta exploit when we can. As a side note, I'm very interested in figuring out who we don't need the next time we do this, to advance towards getting stuff done without a ton of work. An ideal endgoal is that there's eventually a Waystone Project group that automatically churns out waystones per turn. Similar to what's going on with the tributaries in Sylvania.
Second, setting up Eike with the deploy a waystone action is a good idea towards eventually maybe automating it, or her getting cool insight, or something. Also, she had fun the last time she was with the Kislevites.
Third, we should get that boring but necessary EIC job done. We shoulda done it a while ago, the next best time is now. Note that the bridge doesn't hit the Protector, so there's no coin related reason to hurry either option.
- Location
- New Brunswick, NJ
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
I've stolen @Prime 2.0's idea and edited citations for Boney comments as links into my plan draft:
[] Explore one of the Wards of Laurelorn (Storm)
-[] Write-in: Try to aid the local Faniour against gribblies and get Eike live combat experience
[ ] Spend time assisting or ingratiating yourself with someone else: Ward of Storm by fighting gribblies
I know how I would read the emphasis being placed in those actions and how that might manifest differently, but I want to check in to make sure there exists common understanding.
In related news, Boney: I have another question if you don't mind my pestering. What would be the difference between these two actions from your perspective:
[] Explore one of the Wards of Laurelorn (Storm)
-[] Write-in: Try to aid the local Faniour against gribblies and get Eike live combat experience
[ ] Spend time assisting or ingratiating yourself with someone else: Ward of Storm by fighting gribblies
I know how I would read the emphasis being placed in those actions and how that might manifest differently, but I want to check in to make sure there exists common understanding.
That's a really good idea. I think I'd pull her off the EIC action in that case, to give her more time to do her own thing.
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- Actually pretty lost
So I know we're probably going on Elfcation this turn, and I'm not even against it. But it might make for a nice message to simultaneously deploy to one of each of these - Praag, Mordheim and Black Water. Really turn the co-operation levels up as far as they'll go.
The Phoenixian
The Glacier Witch
- Location
- My own little world
I do like the idea of pairing the deployment of the waystones in Praag with the investigation of the Kislev network. Since Kislev does strike me as the best place to put new waystones in a vaccuum, and I think the only argument I can recall against it was concerns that the lack of understanding about the Kislev network might cause such a project to hit a snag
I'd take the former as being focused on training Eike and learning about the Ward of Storm and the Forestborn in it, while the latter would be focused on trying to find something gribbly enough that killing it would impress the locals.
- Location
- New Brunswick, NJ
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- He/Him/His
I disagree that this is necessary at all; it doesn't enhance the EIC's ability to either do spy shit or do diplomacy shit, which are the two main purposes we wield it for. It feels like something Wilhelmina would do if she thinks there's a problem. We already have an Internal Affairs division for catching people doing actually bad stuff; if someone is skimming off the top I don't think I really care unless they're using it to weaken the Empire or empower its foes.
My main concern with a parallel rollout is that now our different stakeholders are fighting for limited Archmage-hours spent doing the Storage enchantment and everything gets really ugly really fast.
I considered that (I raised those concerns a few months ago), but Boney said that attempting to deploy in Kislev would involve trying to solve the connection problem as part of it, so I feel like it might be redundant? Studying the Kislev network is useful if we want to understand what the Ancient Widow is doing to turn Winds into Ice, but if we don't care about that independently, I don't think we need the second AP on it.
Thank you. In that case I'll leave the write-in as is.
The Phoenixian
The Glacier Witch
- Location
- My own little world
The issue I can see with simultaneous deployment is a question of "will the bottleneck be one of deployment, or construction?" Since if the limit on Waystone deployment is the rate at which they can be produced, it might be better to spend that time and effort developing a second model that can be made by a completely different team, and thus produced simultaneously.
EDIT: ninjaed, I think
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- He
I can be convinced to not vote for the Elfcation this turn but not because we need MORE SKILLS. We'll always need MORE SKILLS. Polish off the partials that we have. Get Basic skills to Advanced skills. Get Advanced skills to Expert skills. Under that approach, we will never be truly ready. There is not the 'Human Wizard Murderer Gang' waiting for us in elfDetroit. We can kill most of what's there, run away with the rest of the Shadow Warriors from most everything else and get royally fucked by Boney rolling five 1s in a row, just like we would no matter how much we trained.
- Location
- Spain
We are getting 250 gold per turn, probably more with the EIC Magic project, so we don't need to find any loot...