Mathilde will be attempting to create it as a part of this turn's action.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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Mathilde will be attempting to create it as a part of this turn's action.
Rider in Red, Horse in Green
My hopes for what a Great Cat Knight might look like:
Wait, wrong image.
There we go.
Fat Cat I love you!
Fun fact for those who don't play Final Fantasy 14—the Fat Cat mount, canonically, is the corpse of a cat being piloted by a voidsent (demon). That's why it can fly.
- Location
- Czech Republic
I hope that if big cat wins Mathilde will try to model it after her college cat Morr.
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
- Location
- America
[X] [RIDER] Mist-shrouded Grey Wizard on a Shadowsteed
[X] [RIDER] Great Cat Knight
[X] [SEVIROSCOPE] Visual
I'm not really fussed about the difference between these two.
[X] [RIDER] Great Cat Knight
[X] [SEVIROSCOPE] Visual
I'm not really fussed about the difference between these two.
Stories about some grey wizards summoning some not-daemons and having them attack the Imperial army are not better than stories about the Grey Wizards riding over and hitting them with swords.
In fact, I'd say the not-daemon summoning is much, much worse reputationally.
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- Location
- Chicago
- Pronouns
- She/They
If you see no downside to slapping your own face on something that most people regard either as or as the next best thing to a demon of Khorne, then yes.
I want more separation.
I'm mostly going with the way that the speculation on visual involved eight exposures from a single angle over time to work- you'd need multiple overall exposures from different angles to start on 3d, while just tracking volume should give you a pretty good idea of distance-from-sensor with the audio.
Thinking one does the top/front/left view version of 3d, the other one does a grey scale depth map.
"Could be".
So I'd like to treat it as battle magic until we've actually hatched that chicken.
- Location
- Somewhere between the stars
- Pronouns
- She/Her
[X] [RIDER] Knight
-[X] Conventional Empire (Mathilde's Heraldry)
[X] [SEVIROSCOPE] Auditory
Conventional knight is still subtle nod without being the cringe equal of plastering your own face on your car. So that's my prefer. And Auditory seems generally more usefull for everyone, and gives us better experience for creating the harder visual one.
-[X] Conventional Empire (Mathilde's Heraldry)
[X] [SEVIROSCOPE] Auditory
Conventional knight is still subtle nod without being the cringe equal of plastering your own face on your car. So that's my prefer. And Auditory seems generally more usefull for everyone, and gives us better experience for creating the harder visual one.
- Location
- Czech Republic
If this was correct, Gehenna would not be alive.
Parabola
Divided Loyalties Librarian
- Location
- The Destination of Fate
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Well, doing the fog thing with the Rider in Red was something of a long shot anyway.
Doing original non-Gehenna experimentation on the subject should probably be saved for the Whispering Darkness or the Black Essence since those are already fairly Ulgu-y, the Whispering Darkness in particular already being described as a fog-like entity.
If they think that; it's the initial summoning that's the problem, not which face they wear.
- Location
- Brazil
Feline mounts are better at dealing with single, powerful targets. That's a personal advantage, I'd say. Especially as multiples are apparently better than the sum of their parts when it comes to taking down a big bad.
[X] [RIDER] Great Cat Knight
[X] [SEVIROSCOPE] Visual
The Great Cat Knight just sounds fun, I never particularly cared about apparitions so I'm just picking the one I find more interesting.
I want to create both versions of the Sevirscope because they cover two very different areas, the auditory one would help with broaldy detecting and identifying magic and the visual one would be for research.
I can already think of two things the visual Sevirscope will be incredibly usefull for on top of making some progress on Bok :
- Capturing images of the primordial winds during an AV detonation.
- Allowing for a lot of high end one offs magitech masterpieces to be properly studied by engineers, there is a lot of schizotech in warhammer that is impossible to reproduce and is probably using wierd magical edge cases that no one can figure out.
[X] [SEVIROSCOPE] Visual
The Great Cat Knight just sounds fun, I never particularly cared about apparitions so I'm just picking the one I find more interesting.
I want to create both versions of the Sevirscope because they cover two very different areas, the auditory one would help with broaldy detecting and identifying magic and the visual one would be for research.
I can already think of two things the visual Sevirscope will be incredibly usefull for on top of making some progress on Bok :
- Capturing images of the primordial winds during an AV detonation.
- Allowing for a lot of high end one offs magitech masterpieces to be properly studied by engineers, there is a lot of schizotech in warhammer that is impossible to reproduce and is probably using wierd magical edge cases that no one can figure out.
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- Location
- Brazil
I think you are reading too much into:
Like there may be better ideas, but that doesn't make the wraits a bad idea in itself.
Most of the problems you are bringing up are going to be problems no matter what form we vote for, everyone is always trying to obscure their aparitions spells are actual aparition and they still get questions if they are medling with daemons from time to time. I guarantee no matter what we pick they will finds a way to raise a fuss.
- Location
- New Brunswick, NJ
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
Just as a note, that was a reference to wolves, not cats.
- Location
- Hollister
[X] [SEVIROSCOPE] Visual
[X] [RIDER] Mist-shrouded Grey Wizard on a Shadowsteed
[X] [RIDER] Mist-shrouded Grey Wizard on a Shadowsteed
- Location
- Before the Ninth Gate
No. No they are not. Because the story would be X lost control, not X purposely attacked the Imperial army. I'm not completely sold on Hexwraiths, but they are far, far better than grey wizards, which is just asking for Dieter 2: electric boogaloo next Emperor.
As for Hexwraiths looking demonish, we were told by Boney that those in the know would be able to tell the difference. And for those not in the know? Mathilde is the most famous wizard in Sylvania, known for ending the vampire countess. We are the most likely to get away with it. If anything, it's more a not-undead than a not-demon. And since ours isn't skeletal, it deals with that problem as well. Not perfectly, but well enough.
IMO, going full spider/scorpion/some other creature is better than either of these. But both cat knights and Hexwraiths at least aren't making use look purposely bad.
Meanwhile, you are arguing for stamping our face on the face of something that will kill a soldiers battle buddy. That's a bad idea.
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It's a personal disadvantage. Mathilde's already very good at faxing single powerful targets and less good at faxing hordes which a horse mounted apparition is better at.
Alright, with the reveal that we currently cannot apply staff discount to this, I will go with:
[X] [RIDER] Knight
-[X] Conventional Empire (Mathilde's Heraldry w/Wolf mount)
[X] [RIDER] Misty Wraith on top of a Giant Wolf
Because Boney explicitly stated that wolves are the best at anti-big gribblie work, and it is monsters that Mathilde's fancy sword style does literally nothing against. Will it break an infantry line in a single big charge? No. But if it's Battle Magic, then we can Smoke and Mirrors out of the melee blob anyways as part of casting this, so it becomes a moot point. Now it is both an escape and an anti-monster spell, even if they ultimately just end up holding the gribbly down so we can whack it repeatedly with our sword (or in the case of a proper Battle Wizard, repeated Pendulums or one Pit of Shades).
[X] [RIDER] Knight
-[X] Conventional Empire (Mathilde's Heraldry w/Wolf mount)
[X] [RIDER] Misty Wraith on top of a Giant Wolf
Because Boney explicitly stated that wolves are the best at anti-big gribblie work, and it is monsters that Mathilde's fancy sword style does literally nothing against. Will it break an infantry line in a single big charge? No. But if it's Battle Magic, then we can Smoke and Mirrors out of the melee blob anyways as part of casting this, so it becomes a moot point. Now it is both an escape and an anti-monster spell, even if they ultimately just end up holding the gribbly down so we can whack it repeatedly with our sword (or in the case of a proper Battle Wizard, repeated Pendulums or one Pit of Shades).
Damn, I've built up so much dislike against the option it's annoying to see a good argument for it. The trick won't last for long and if it's summoned in the middle of a battlefield it likely won't work at all, but advantage is advantage. Not sure if it's better than a shadowsteed though since for a tricky grey wizard having that decoy option is likely pretty attactive and useful (also anything that boosts nazgul resemblance is always cool).
It's still super cringe to put Mathilde's heraldry on it though (and makes it more identifiable to reduce that good argument). At least with the Mathilde on a shadowsteed option it has good reason to look like Mathilde.
[X] [RIDER] The Dämmerlichtreiter
[X] [RIDER] Knight
-[X] Conventional Empire
[X] [RIDER] Knight
-[X] Conventional Empire (Mathilde's Heraldry)
[X] [RIDER] Great Cat Knight
[X] [SEVIROSCOPE] Auditory
-[X] Conventional Empire
[X] [RIDER] Knight
-[X] Conventional Empire (Mathilde's Heraldry)
[X] [RIDER] Great Cat Knight
[X] [SEVIROSCOPE] Auditory
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