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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Boney, I have a question. Currently doing well in the voting is an option "The Dämmerlichtreiter". I am unsure how this is distinct from "Mathilde on a Shadowsteed" and figured I'd ask you roughly how you would interpret that option, if it won; would you just merge its votes with "Mathilde on a Shadowsteed" in the final tally and treat them as the same thing, or would you do something else?

(@Godwinson is the person who first voted for it, I believe, if that matters.)
 
The Phoenixian said:
The fact that the Big Cat steed form in general is also also noted as specifically geared towards fighting monsters is something of actual utility too. I imagine that would probably make it less useful in a general Cavalry role, but the tradeoff of something significantly more useful at protecting friendly forces from giant monsters is interesting.
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Given how easily Johann punched out the Rider very sceptical they could do much of anything against a giant monster. Sure, Johann is swole, but he's not as swole as anything that's actually a capital M Monster. Or probably even as swole as an ogre.

I'd be very doubtful about the ability of a single Rider, even a Rider on a giant cat, to do much to them. They could just knock them down and walk over them.

Where a Rider would excel is at tarpitrint large numbers of basic or even elite soldiers. Their inability to harm it would make it very good at that, and they wouldn't be strong enough just to push it out of the way.
 
picklepikkl said:
Boney, I have a question. Currently doing well in the voting is an option "The Dämmerlichtreiter". I am unsure how this is distinct from "Mathilde on a Shadowsteed" and figured I'd ask you roughly how you would interpret that option, if it won; would you just merge its votes with "Mathilde on a Shadowsteed" in the final tally and treat them as the same thing, or would you do something else?

(@Godwinson is the person who first voted for it, I believe, if that matters.)
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I'd go with Mathilde using the little statues she has one of as a model, and treat it as a separate option.

Nerdasaurus Rex said:
I'm not sure if this means we should try to avoid making it look like dark magic, or if it doesn't matter what it looks like because people are going to assume it's dark magic either way.
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If I had instructions that explicit I'd give them. I'm just highlighting that Mathilde's dialogue in the update comes from a place of extreme knowledgeability about varieties of undead.

Alratan said:
Given how easily Johann punched out the Rider very sceptical they could do much of anything against a giant monster. Sure, Johann is swole, but he's not as swole as anything that's actually a capital M Monster. Or probably even as swole as an ogre.

I'd be very doubtful about the ability of a single Rider, even a Rider on a giant cat, to do much to them. They could just knock them down and walk over them.

Where a Rider would excel is at tarpitrint large numbers of basic or even elite soldiers. Their inability to harm it would make it very good at that, and they wouldn't be strong enough just to push it out of the way.
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Johann has built-in magic weapons. Most monsters don't.
 
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Actually, while people may know that the wraith option isn't a hexwraith; how would they know that it wasn't one of the other kinds of undead nasties that haunt the Old World.

The books are a simplified abstraction. There are lots of other gribblies out there.
 
Boney said:
They have the frame of a big cat, so they'd fight like a big cat.
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Honestly, that's probably for the best. The canon ones look awkward and impractical for a forest/plains predator. When armored with that chest plate, I'm not even sure they could bend down to eat.
Retrueno said:
Uh, Soo... Who would be the God of "Sword to your face". Sigmar?
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I think Verena is the only Human deity that officially favors the sword over other weapons.
Prime 2.0 said:
And Mathilde called it a bad idea.
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Mathilde gave a reason for why it could be suboptimal. But that doesn't disqualify it. If it was a genuinely bad idea in her opinion she/Boney wouldn't suggest it as a default option.

To be a bit fastidious, Mathilde also mused that she maybe should just pack up and go home when it turned out that Waystones use and occasionally make Dhar.
WorldSlayer said:
Can't beat a joke that holds up and seems practical. I think the DragonSlayer project was the same thing.

Getting a slayer and turning him into a dragon.
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I think that the Dragon Altar results in less friendly fire. Clueless mortals are less likely to attack a random Dragon that's swooping in and focused on something else than they are a lone Orc.

Also, the Dragon Altar plan did not start as a joke 😤.
 
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I feel a bit surprised spider isn't doing better. It's cool, prevents all this discussion about Grey Wizards/Mathilde attacking allied troops and likely it'd be quite good vs big monsters.
 
Retrueno said:
I feel like the suddenly change of fighting Mathilde on foot and sudden the appearing on a Shadowsteed is also important.

Plus the Red Rider would fight nothing like Mathilde.
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Mathidle can cast Shadow Steed to mount up at any point, so that's not a relevant distinction people could use to tell the difference, as she might well cast it when doing a runner or to get a better fighting position.

Also, Mathilde would fight differently when mounted, and people we want to deceive are very, very unlikely to be familiar enough with her fighting style to tell.

Boney said:
Johann has built-in magic weapons. Most monsters don't.
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That's true; which means they can't hurt the Rider. Does that stop them just pushing it out of the way or moving through ir though?

I'm not sure if the resistance to damage from non-magical weapon is due to intangibility or impossible toughness that magic weapons over come, or whether that matters.

Otherwise; it's irrelevant for this purpose whether they're a cat or a horse. If the monster can't hurt them or move them, it will lose or be stuck either way.
 
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Ericwinter said:
Does anyone have a quote describing that? I can't remember the specifics.
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Citation!
Boney said:
"Oh no." Anton hurriedly reaches under his chair and produces a second, much smaller box, and thrusts it at you. "Here, open this instead of doing Wizard things." You take the lid off, and find yourself looking at a carved wooden figure on horseback. It's not very detailed and was obviously carved by hands unused to delicacy, but the robe, the hat, and the sword on its back make it clear who it's supposed to represent. "There's a few places in Nachthafen selling them. They're used as charms in the Hunter's Hills to ward off the Undead."

"They'd need all the help they can get." Anton Senior peers at the rider. "Who is that, anyway?"

"Some local legend, I think," Anton says with a shrug. "The seller tried to tell me some story about someone who supposedly killed Castle Drakenhof, but it didn't sound all that plausible."
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Jyn Ryvia said:
Ya, ok.

Making sure it doesn't look like an necromancy spell to summon hex-wrath's is probably a good idea, no matter how spicy we want to be.
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I think you missed the point, Mathield wonders that it could look like a Hexwraith because she knows a lot about undead.
Most people would see a spooky wraith and not even know what flavor of spooky, undead, daemon or something else. That is why it ends up under spooky wizard stuff.
 
Boney said:
I'd go with Mathilde using the little statues she has one of as a model, and treat it as a separate option.
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Got it, thank you.
Boney said:
It's not very detailed and was obviously carved by hands unused to delicacy, but the robe, the hat, and the sword on its back make it clear who it's supposed to represent.
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OK, Mathilde turning her legend into a summoned weapon, while a little tacky, isn't quite as bad as "it's literally Mathilde's face." I'm not sure I'll approval-vote it, but I'm not going to bend my hand to its destruction if it rises up like I would the Mathilde on a Shadowsteed one.
 
So the meme was an argument about not caring all that much about it being spooky.

I mean, Amethysts already suck the life out of people and wither limbs, if they get away with that we can get away with summoning scary misty men
 
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