Skipping right past the very many legal and ethical concerns, a Dhar-fused chimera bolted to Mathilde's soul would get burned apart by the Belt.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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- Fantasy Users' Choice!
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Skipping right past the very many legal and ethical concerns, a Dhar-fused chimera bolted to Mathilde's soul would get burned apart by the Belt.
- Location
- Outside the Box
- Pronouns
- She/Her
And then codify every variant. Have an entire zoo's worth of Ulgu-coated Apparitions.
Also Dhar near soul is a bit ugh.
That said... Could AV possibly be able to enhance an Apparition without turning into Dhar?
We have at least two other types of Apparitions to grab.
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- North Wales
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
After we do it a few times, we could probably codify "And this is how you customise its appearance" down to the relevant variables. Sooner or later the dice-roll for codification comes up box-cars.And then codify every variant. Have an entire zoo's worth of Ulgu-coated Apparitions.
It's a horrific waste of AP in the pursuit of shiny reskins, though. This isn't Team Fortress Quest.
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- United States
[x] [SEVIROSCOPE] Visual
[x] [RIDER] Spider
[x] [RIDER] Spider
I'd prefer another Red Rider, as a unit of cavalry is more useful than an individual one.
- Location
- New Brunswick, NJ
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
Formatting reminder for you all that you want [RIDER] before Apparition votes and [SEVIROSCOPE] before that vote (and not Rider: and Seviroscope: ); otherwise they will tally wrong and need to be manually merged, which is a pain and also makes it harder for people to parse the vote at a glance. Things are already confusing enough!
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- Location
- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
Even if we completely disregard game mechanics from every Warhammer game (tabletop or digital), we know for a fact that Demigryphs are rarer, harder to train, harder to feed and more prestigious to ride. If they weren't a generally better investment than a warhorse on average then they would be a vanity project and a net drain on the Empire if held in any numbers higher than needed for niche problem solving units.
As for specialization, other than mass and momentum on a charge and less instincts to attack individual enemies instead of running in, over and out, what combat advantages do you expect a warhorse to have over a Demigryph? The Demigryph almost definitely wins in a duel between the two. It's the better climber. It can pounce and change direction faster. It has better eyesight. And I'm sure that a Demigryph can, on average, take on more humans with melee weapons attacking it simultaneously than a warhorse could outside of a charge.
Moving on from flesh and blood animals and onto the actual Red Rider chassis, you may have some point about the added complication of training a Red Rider, used to being a horse-man thing, to be something different instead, even if Boney did say that form follows function. But that also means that at least differences in fear reaction or hunger or difficulty to control also are all irrelevant. The only advantages I see is that a horse is more subtle and easier to integrate into most Empire battles alongside other mounts, simply because horses are less rare. Which are fine advantages to have. I'm not dead set against a horse. I just like a Demigryph more.
Guile
Having a really great time right now
I can't say that's wrong.
But for me, if this is a matter of spreading a story, I'm a lot more into spreading Abelhelm's name around than the Dammelichtreiter or the Unseen Knights or A Giant Cat.
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
- Location
- America
And, uh, you don't see anything wrong with having a person who is supposed to be dead running around? No potential problems there?
- Location
- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
Realistically speaking, Mathilde should not be able to accurately recreate his face either. Not over a decade later in a world without photography.
Guile
Having a really great time right now
I mean, you're talking to someone who voted for Vampire Count Abelhelm, back in the day. So no.
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- Texas
[X] [RIDER] The Dämmerlichtreiter
The sheer asthetic of this calls to me. Summoning the image of the legend Mathilde left in Silvania and Stirland to defend humanity again is just so cool.
[X] [RIDER] Knight
-[X] Conventional Empire (Mathilde's Heraldry w/Wolf mount)
And the generic store brand version. Less flashy but just as good.
[X] [SEVIROSCOPE] Visual
I want both, but let's go with this one first.
The sheer asthetic of this calls to me. Summoning the image of the legend Mathilde left in Silvania and Stirland to defend humanity again is just so cool.
[X] [RIDER] Knight
-[X] Conventional Empire (Mathilde's Heraldry w/Wolf mount)
And the generic store brand version. Less flashy but just as good.
[X] [SEVIROSCOPE] Visual
I want both, but let's go with this one first.
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- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
For the sake of argument, I tried merging all of the various "it's Mathilde" variants (including ones that specified that she was to be misty, or not have a face, and so on) with Dämmerlichtreiter, and it looks like if you combine the votes (which automatically removes duplicates), the option ends up tied for first place. (Notably, I kept the more generic "grey wizard on shadowsteed" and its variants seperate).
So if you want some form of Mathilde to win, and you aren't presently voting for Dämmerlichtreiter, you may want to consider changing your vote? It's possible that Boney will do the same merging that I did, of course, but there's no guarantee.
So if you want some form of Mathilde to win, and you aren't presently voting for Dämmerlichtreiter, you may want to consider changing your vote? It's possible that Boney will do the same merging that I did, of course, but there's no guarantee.
Parabola
Divided Loyalties Librarian
- Location
- The Destination of Fate
- Pronouns
- She/Her
That seems excessive. The biggest reason people voted for the Riders was for getting some more general extra muscle power for a Wind that lacks direct damage in general, not for 'this monster specifically might require Rider #3'.
I imagine that if we want to spend more AP on Apparitions, it'd be to explore the potential of the Whispering Darkness or Black Essence and try to make a different control mechanism to Gehenna's Hounds, so as to take full advantage of their misty nature.
On another note, I'm changing my vote slightly to include the Winter Wolves and the Mounted Wraiths, since Boney noted that most people wouldn't know about Hexwraiths - heck, we the thread forgot about them.
- Location
- Earth
- Location
- New Brunswick, NJ
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
I asked earlier and he said he was counting them as separate options.
I suspect the Dammerlichtreiter and Dammerlichtreiter with subvote options are getting merged, though, e.g.:
[] [RIDER] The Dämmerlichtreiter
and
[] [RIDER] The Dämmerlichtreiter
-[] (Mathilde-inspired shadowsteed rider, but extra spooky and specifically shaped to fit the Stirland legend)
Since the second is basically a more specific statement of the thing Boney said he'd already do with the vote. But "Mathilde on a Shadowsteed" and "The Dammerlichtreiter" are not the same vote.
Parabola
Divided Loyalties Librarian
- Location
- The Destination of Fate
- Pronouns
- She/Her
I would like to remind people that the coins of Stirland feature the faces of its rulers, and that thus she has many coins with his face on them.
We don't need to put his face on anything else.
We don't need to put his face on anything else.
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