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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
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[X] [RIDER] The Dämmerlichtreiter

I also enjoy the imagery of the Great Cat Knight, mostly because if it wins I can suggest a really stupid name:

The Knight of Purrloined Shadows
 
[X] [RIDER] Knight
-[X] Conventional Empire (Mathilde's Heraldry)

[X] [RIDER] Knight
-[X] Conventional Empire (Mathilde's Heraldry w/Wolf mount)

[X] [RIDER] Mathilde on a Shadowsteed
-[X] Nondescript face

[X] [SEVIROSCOPE] Visual
 
Boney said:
I'd go with Mathilde using the little statues she has one of as a model, and treat it as a separate option.
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This, I'd actually be fine with! Not having Mathilde's face is a good idea. Remember, if your face is the rider, some imperial soldier (possibly multiple) is going to have their ptsd triggered by your face. Bad idea. Making it clearly inhuman? Good idea.

[X] [RIDER] Dammerlichtreiter

[x] [RIDER] Great Cat Knight
[x] [RIDER] Wee little Baby Mammoth
[x] [RIDER] Spider
[X] [RIDER] Misty Wraith on top of a Giant Wolf
 
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Otrovik said:
perhaps we ought to consult with Roswita before we paste her fathers face onto a "definitely not a demon, trust me bro" and which we intend to hold as our basically slave?
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If that's how you want to look at it, sure.

I personally prefer to think of it as being repeatedly saved by legally-distinct Abelhelm astride a shining white warhorse. Possibly with rose petals and manga tones. But I recognize my view is probably the weird one there.

Which is why I suggested using the Hunter Count, a legendary figure in the same vein as the Dammerlichtreiter. More of a King Under the Mountain vibe, you know?
 
Sevirscope wise, both seem very cool and I would support doing the 'other one' with a second action.
I do see the argument that having an actual auditory-sense wizard around to help could better calibrate the Winds Chime. (Great name btw).

[x] [SEVIROSCOPE] Visual

I don't like the whole Apparition binding thing at all. Very uncomfortable.
Despite that, somehow I like the idea of something Mathilde-coded breaking free of us, or some future Grey Battlemage and turning on allied forces *even less*.
And having to deny charges of Necromancy (on top of the not-Daemonology) least of all.

So, some least worst approval votes.
[] [RIDER] Great Cat Knight
[X] [RIDER] Spider
[X] [RIDER] Knight
-[X] Demigryph Knight

[X] [RIDER] Mist-shrouded Grey Wizard on a Shadowsteed
 
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Parabola said:
I would like to remind people that the coins of Stirland feature the faces of its rulers, and that thus she has many coins with his face on them.
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Whether the portraits of Eagle Castle are accurate enough to make for templates for a realistic human face is one thing, but expecting the profile on a pre-industrial coin to be useful for that is quite another. Even modern coins rarely manage.
 
[X] Other (write in): The body of a horse, except instead of a horse's head or human torso there's the torso of a housecat.

Now, does this look like some chaos abomination? Yes, yes it does. Will Mathilde's Horrible Idea inspire terror in the enemies of the Empire? And the allies of the Empire? And the Empire? Yes, yes it will.
 
Voting for everything that isn't using Ranald's image - apparently he wouldn't like us putting his face on literal Ulgu chains, who knew - or a spooky horse that's going to inspire a constant low level stream of panicked peasants bothering grey Wizards forevermore.

[x] [RIDER] Mathilde on a Shadowsteed
[x] [RIDER] Knight
- [x] Conventional Empire (Mathilde's Heraldry)
[x] [RIDER] Knight
- [x] Conventional Empire (Mathilde's Heraldry w/Wolf mount)
[x] [RIDER] Knight
- [x] Conventional Empire (Mathilde's Heraldry w/Giant Cat mount)
[x] [RIDER] Mathilde on a Shadowsteed
- [x] Nondescript face
[x] [RIDER] Knight
- [x] Conventional Empire (Mathilde's Heraldry w/Demigryph mount)
[x] [RIDER] Knight
- [x] Winged Lancer
[x] [RIDER] Knight
- [x] Knights of Judgement
[x] [RIDER] Cloaked Grey Wizard on a Shadowsteed
[x] [RIDER] The Dämmerlichtreiter
[x] [SEVIROSCOPE] Visual
 
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[X] [SEVIROSCOPE] Visual
[X] [RIDER] Mounted Wraiths.
[X] [RIDER] Knight
-[X] Demigryph Knight
[X] [RIDER] Misty Wraith on top of a Giant Wolf
 
I think it's important to consider use case of the steed:

Horses charge, cause chaos, and are great at getting us out of a melee and defeating a bunch of chumps.
Cats/kittybirds are great at killing that one thing.
Dogs are tracking and, with multiple, are great vs large enemies.
 
Rafin said:
Even if we completely disregard game mechanics from every Warhammer game (tabletop or digital), we know for a fact that Demigryphs are rarer, harder to train, harder to feed and more prestigious to ride. If they weren't a generally better investment than a warhorse on average then they would be a vanity project and a net drain on the Empire if held in any numbers higher than needed for niche problem solving units.

As for specialization, other than mass and momentum on a charge and less instincts to attack individual enemies instead of running in, over and out, what combat advantages do you expect a warhorse to have over a Demigryph? The Demigryph almost definitely wins in a duel between the two. It's the better climber. It can pounce and change direction faster. It has better eyesight. And I'm sure that a Demigryph can, on average, take on more humans with melee weapons attacking it simultaneously than a warhorse could outside of a charge.

Moving on from flesh and blood animals and onto the actual Red Rider chassis, you may have some point about the added complication of training a Red Rider, used to being a horse-man thing, to be something different instead, even if Boney did say that form follows function. But that also means that at least differences in fear reaction or hunger or difficulty to control also are all irrelevant. The only advantages I see is that a horse is more subtle and easier to integrate into most Empire battles alongside other mounts, simply because horses are less rare. Which are fine advantages to have. I'm not dead set against a horse. I just like a Demigryph more.
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An actual demigrph would be better than an actual horse. However, I think from what Noney has said that a Rider shaped like a horse is just as powerful in combat as a Rider shaped like a Demigryph. They're just optimised against different categories of foe.

Abhorsen said:
This, I'd actually be fine with! Not having Mathilde's face is a good idea. Remember, if your face is the rider, some imperial soldier (possibly multiple) is going to have their ptsd triggered by your face. Bad idea. Making it clearly inhuman? Good idea.
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Something clearly inhuman basically can't be used outside of battlefields. Something that looks like a person can be called up in a much wider range of scenarios, because it won't cause mass panic or riots.

Making it clearly inhuman also looks a lot more similar to daemon summoning or necormancy, so would be more of a hassle to use alongside regular armies or indeed, people who aren't wizards or experts in daemons/the undead.
 
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[X] [RIDER] The Dämmerlichtreiter

I figure this is a particular enough image to not get misidentified as any group in particular outside Stirland, and is Stirland BattleWizards and Mathilde have enough rep to handle any problems fairly easily.
 
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[X] [RIDER] Knight
-[X] Demigryph Knight
I've been convinced about the value of monstrous cavalry. Demigryph over Winter Wolves because the Winter Wolves are a specific order and things could get awkward. Also, kittybird.
 
Guile said:
I personally prefer to think of it as being repeatedly saved by legally-distinct Abelhelm astride a shining white warhorse. Possibly with rose petals and manga tones. But I recognize my view is probably the weird one there.
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I'm not saying we shouldn't do it, I am personally against it-but I'm against using anyone's specific image on the Rider in general. But at least I think we ought to ask Roswita if she's okay with it-we're not the sole owners, or even the majority owners, of Abelhelm's memory.

And iirc, most people don't know how close Mathilde was with Abelhelm-I think some might jump to the conclusion that Mathilde is mocking his memory rather than honoring it.
 
Alratan said:
Something clearly inhuman basically can't be used outside of battlefields. Something that looks like a person can be called up in a mucj wider range of scenarios, because it won't cause mass panic or riots.
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If you are using this outside of battlefields, you are doing this wrong. That you think casting powerful, visible, magic in a city won't cause a panic is just wrong.

Nearly everything desired of a non-battlefield use could be handled by illusion, and handled better.
 
my main problem with the Cats is that it lacks story behind the choice outside of 'CATS!'

everything else up high in the votes have a bit of a story or aesthetic connected to Mathy our the quest's history.
 
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