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If you are using this outside of battlefields, you are doing this wrong. That you think casting powerful, visible, magic in a city won't cause a panic is just wrong.
Yeah especially summoning something in a city. This isn't the Shadow Clone Jutsu from Naruto, putting Mathilde's face on this thing, is... well I can personally see it leading to unnecessary drama and confusion. I can maybe be convinced of putting her heraldry on the thing, but putting anyone's face on it? Nope, that just seems like a bad idea.
 
Something about Cavalry is that they're best when charging, however I think that isn't very useful to Mathilde.

I think it'd be hard for Mathilde to use to its full potential since it would be for breaking a lone of shields which she can easily bypass with teleportation. I just don't see many cases in which Mathilde needs to order the Red Rider to charge.

Meanwhile monstruos Cavalry and outright monstrous skins (Spider, dragon) could be used almost at full efficiency against 1 big dangerous enemy or as an extra body.
 
One worry I have about the auditory serviscope is that it might trip up a grey wizard in the middle of an infiltration sometimes in the future, and handing actually functioning magic detectors to witch hunters might backfire. I still think it comes out as a benefit on the balance and want to do it though.
 
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If you are using this outside of battlefields, you are doing this wrong. That you think casting powerful, visible, magic in a city won't cause a panic is just wrong.

Nearly everything desired of a non-battlefield use could be handled by illusion, and handled better.

That's just not true. Think of when we whacked an Everchosen candidate on a city street.

Also, being incorporeal and requiring concentration means Illusion is largely worthless. I believe that Mathidle may never have cast the spell in anger because of those limitations. It's a very niche spell with much more limited utility than an apparition that can pass as a human.

Apparitions are solid, is they won't accidentally have clipping issues like riding through something or someone walking into it and passing through it. They can also act as a physical bodyguard to block attack on someone. They're autonomous; so Mathilde can concentrate on something else like being in overwatch to counterambush.

Apparition summoning may be powerful, but there's no reason for it be flashy if we don't deliberately make it so. We don't have to. We can make it look like a person and so be subtle until it needs to not be.

And whether or not the initial spell is battle magic or not, or mist dependent or not, we know we can collateral create a spell that works with the Staff of Mistery.
 
[X] [RIDER] Mathilde on a Shadowsteed
[X] [RIDER] The Dämmerlichtreiter
[X] [SEVIROSCOPE] Visual
 
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And iirc, most people don't know how close Mathilde was with Abelhelm-I think some might jump to the conclusion that Mathilde is mocking his memory rather than honoring it.
Well, I'm not saying peasants COULDNT look at the image of the Hunter Count trampling skeletons 'neath the hooves of his mighty steed, runefang hewing through some foul necromancer, probably with his long hair flowing in some unseen wind, nod their heads sagely and say, 'Yes, clearly this was made to mock a great man.'

I'm pretty sure Stirlandiam peasants believe Halflings are resistant to mutation because they're already mutants. They jump to conclusions hard enough to show up Kadoh in the long-jump.
 
One worry I have about the auditory serviscope is that it might trip up a grey wizard in the middle of an infiltration sometimes in the future, and handing actually functioning magic detectors to witch hunters might backfire. I still think it comes out as a benefit on the balance and want to do it, but I worry.
To be fair, if they have a detector that gives different tones for different kinds of magic, Witch Hunters would at least be able to tell fairly quickly if something is the actual illegal dark magic or just a particularly spooky looking legal magic.

Not to say it couldn't backfire, but there might be less needless burnings.
 
I don't think it's been brought up in the first 30 pages, but it's neat that this action let us learn Eike's missing Diplomacy skill. I would not have pegged it as Nobility, given she's mostly a Burgher - I was kinda assuming it would be a foreign diplomacy like the Karaz Ankor.

It's odd how often random tangents end up teaching you things you'd never expect to learn about friends and family.
 
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my main problem with the Cats is that it lacks story behind the choice outside of 'CATS!'

everything else up high in the votes have a bit of a story or aesthetic connected to Mathy our the quest's history.
I'll keep voting cats as long as the chance of us putting Mathilde's face on it is near second. It's the less bad option IMO. It's not a great solution, as it doesn't solve our problems as well as horses or wolves. But, it also doesn't make our face the PTSD trigger for any imperial soldier who survived a miscast. And its gauche.

Also, who wants to literally herd cats? It just sounds like making the problem more difficult.

Dammerlichter? No problem. Mathilde's face? Big problem.

That's just not true. Think of when we whacked an Everchosen candidate on a city street.
Yes, we caused a huge commotion, but everyone in the city knew that a cultist was being hunted. We could have used any spell there, and people would have been fine with it.
Apparitions are solid, is they won't accidentally have clipping issues like riding through something or someone walking into it and passing through it. They can also act as a physical bodyguard to block attack on someone. They're autonomous; so Mathilde can concentrate on something else like being in overwatch to counterambush.
No. They can't be used as an illusion, they are constantly trying to kill things. Your job is to point them. You want to use this on a busy street? That's crazy. This is just asking for slaughtered civvies. And who will have slaughtered them? Mathilde.

Also, being on a shadowsteed in a city isn't subtle, and isn't normal. It likely gets the guards annoyed at you in the same way the guards get annoyed with you for Shouting in a Skyrim city.
 
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Cats are sacred to Ranald, and Mathilde once had a pet cat named Morr. There is plenty of connection.

Considering that the Apparitions are being bound and Ranald is pretty much the most anti-binding and freedom loving 'Order' deity... I really wouldn't like associating Ranald's anything with the Apparition.

Even if we - quite sensibly - don't use actual Ranaldite imagery even using Ranald's sacred animal is iffy.
 
"You'd need to shield them after the exposure so that lining them up with each other wouldn't disrupt whatever patterns the exposure created. Some sort of crown glass using a magically inert material for the lattice?"

"Possibly with lead glass," you say. "But it would need to be very high-quality glass for an image to be visible through that many layers. For eight Winds it would be sixteen layers of insulative glass and eight layers of non-insulative."

"To an extent that could be bypassed by backing it with a strong enough light. Filtering the Hysh out of Hysh-made light is a solved problem."
Could the meteoric graphite from the Tower have an insulative role to play here?
Any human Wizard would deem this sufficient, but between the granite and marble, cut so thinly as to be transparent, a tiny layer of meteoric graphite, crystallized by the temperature and impact of its introduction to the world. It remembers the void between the stars where Chaos does not reign, and thus rejects the winds.
Neutral, transparent and wind-rejecting. Likely very expensive, but this is for the limited-production Masterwork Visual Seviroscope.
 
[X] [RIDER] Mounted Wraiths

[X] [SEVIROSCOPE] Visual
[X] [RIDER] The Dämmerlichtreiter

Approval voting for dämmer because I don't like the cats vote at all... It really is just suddenly cats! The musical the apparation.
 
[x] [RIDER] The Dämmerlichtreiter
[x] [RIDER] The Dämmerlichtreiter
- [x] (Mathilde-inspired shadowsteed rider, but extra spooky and specifically shaped to fit the Stirland legend)
[x] [RIDER] Spider
[x] [SEVIROSCOPE] Visual
[x] [RIDER] Wee little Baby Mammoth
[x] [RIDER] Orc on a Chonky Boar
 
I don't think it's been brought up in the first 30 pages, but it's neat that this action let us learn Eike's missing Diplomacy skill. I would not have pegged it as Nobility - I was kinda assuming it would be a foreign diplomacy like the Karaz Ankor.

It's odd how often random tangents end up teaching you things you'd never expect to learn about friends and family.
It really is fun how Eike was actually able to help as a result. I wasn't even expecting her to be able to do anything at all, not with two Magister Lords on the subject already, but lo and behold she did.
I'd expect Ranald to be associated with cats like the ones you'd find in human civilizations that worship Him, e.g Altdorf alleycats. It seems a bit of a stretch to have it also apply to lions, which is what I'm taking 'Great Cat' to mean.
From what I understood several people are, in fact, imagining them to be large housecats. But yes, lions and stuff are less workable.
Considering that the Apparitions are being bound and Ranald is pretty much the most anti-binding and freedom loving 'Order' deity... I really wouldn't like associating Ranald's anything with the Apparition.

Even if we - quite sensibly - don't use actual Ranaldite imagery even using Ranald's sacred animal is iffy.
This is certainly a fair point. Doesn my mean there's not context, but the context is possibly problematic itself.
 
An actual demigrph would be better than an actual horse. However, I think from what Noney has said that a Rider shaped like a horse is just as powerful in combat as a Rider shaped like a Demigryph. They're just optimised against different categories of foe.

That was my impression as well, all the skins will have the same pool of "points" or however you want to term a representation of their combat power. It's just (as a very generalized approximation) if they all have 100 points to spend, some have 70 vs. monsters and only 30 vs. infantry. While others have the opposite.
 
Yes, we caused a huge commotion, but everyone in the city knew that a cultist was being hunted. We could have used any spell there, and people would have been fine with it.

Completely the opposites. A city on high alert for a chaos cultist is the last time you'd want to summon something that the general population is likely to mistake for a daemon. It would likely have caused panic and small c chaos that would have made it much easier for him to escape.

A mundane seeming appearance would have had none of those issues.

No. They can't be used as an illusion, they are constantly trying to kill things. Your job is to point them. You want to use this on a busy street? That's crazy. This is just asking for slaughtered civvies. And who will have slaughtered them? Mathilde.

Also, being on a shadowsteed in a city isn't subtle, and isn't normal. It likely gets the guards annoyed at you in the same way the guards get annoyed with you for Shouting in a Skyrim city.

Note how the Red Rider we just captured was patiently staking out the Light College. It wasn't indiscriminately killing civilians. If we don't train it to indiscriminately kill things, it has no reason to start doing so.

As in its wild state an apparition doesn't slaughter indiscriminately, but focuses on its chosen enemy I see no reason for us to train it to see random civilians as enemies, so that it would start doing so. The training should be, if we've any sense, first to let Mathilde specific acceptable targets in place of Bright wizards, and then possibly to do more complex tasks. They have animal level intelligence so I'd expect they can be trained like a dog can.
 
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I'll keep voting cats as long as the chance of us putting Mathilde's face on it is near second. It's the less bad option IMO. It's not a great problem, as it doesn't solve our problems as well as horses or wolves.

This time has passed. The current leading votes are The Dämmerlichtreiter, Great Cat, Mounted Wraiths, and Mist-shrouded Grey Wizard on a Shadowsteed.

Mathilde's face is in sixth place and has less than half the votes of the top two options. If you don't want cats, don't vote cats.
 
[x] [RIDER] The Dämmerlichtreiter
[x] [RIDER] The Dämmerlichtreiter
- [x] (Mathilde-inspired shadowsteed rider, but extra spooky and specifically shaped to fit the Stirland legend)
[x] [RIDER] Spider
[x] [SEVIROSCOPE] Visual
[x] [RIDER] Wee little Baby Mammoth
[x] [RIDER] Orc on a Chonky Boar

Voting this because, I'd rather not have Cats or People's faces on the Riders. Also, the Mammoth and Orc votes made me chuckle.
 
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