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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Boney said:
It's possible for anything big to fend off anything smaller with brute strength and greater reach. The question is how many times they can do that before they run out of limbs capable of continuing to do so.
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So; based on this, it seems the difference would be speed in wearing a monster down. A knight on a cat shape would do it faster than the knight on a horse shape*; but presumably both would wear it down eventually.

Looking at it this way, I think I still prefer a horse. I think a Rider on a horse is more likely to be able to coordinate themselves to charge alongside other cavalry, and I think breaking an infantry formation by shock and mass is more likely to be decisive than being able to kill monsters faster, as most of the gain when facing a monster would be pinning it so hat it wasn't killing anything else. How fast it dies is secondary.

* with some possible complexity about the initial charge depending on the relative mass and speed that a horse would have versus a cat.
 
Alratan said:
Given how easily Johann punched out the Rider very sceptical they could do much of anything against a giant monster. Sure, Johann is swole, but he's not as swole as anything that's actually a capital M Monster. Or probably even as swole as an ogre.

I'd be very doubtful about the ability of a single Rider, even a Rider on a giant cat, to do much to them. They could just knock them down and walk over them.

Where a Rider would excel is at tarpitrint large numbers of basic or even elite soldiers. Their inability to harm it would make it very good at that, and they wouldn't be strong enough just to push it out of the way.
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Johann has also punched giant monsters. His fists are an outlier and should not be included. Though you are correct that cat is the wrong option for monsters. For monsters you want wolves. Presumably because they will do what wolves do irl, hobbling limbs and either darting back out or holding on to drag the gribbly down over time. Albeit this version would also have an upper torso going ridiculously stab-happy while latched on, God of War style. All versions can happily tarpit for the reasons you have previously mentioned, of course.
 
Zaratustra said:
I think you missed the point, Mathield wonders that it could look like a Hexwraith because she knows a lot about undead.
Most people would see a spooky wraith and not even know what flavor of spooky, undead, daemon or something else. That is why it ends up under spooky wizard stuff.
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Tomcost said:
So the meme was an argument about not caring all that much about it being spooky.

I mean, Amethysts already suck the life out of people and wither limbs, if they get away with that we can get away with summoning scary misty men
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I took it in the exact opposite way - that if it looks like a spooky ghost, people are going to jump to necromancy even if it doesn't look like any of the standard necromantic horsemen.

The Grey College has better things to do than expend a minor but constant stream of political capital on assuring people that no, it's not an undead, we promise.
 
Tomcost said:
So the meme was an argument about not caring all that much about it being spooky.

I mean, Amethysts already suck the life out of people and wither limbs, if they get away with that we can get away with summoning scary misty men
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The opposite, I think.

There are some very bad connotations in the Emprie about summoning creatures that look like that, and it causes PR issues. It would particularly particularly cause PR issues to call up something that looked like a wraith in the middle of a city on market day, while sending out an apparently mundane being like a knight on a horse or one that is not unexpected to be there like a Grey Wizard on a Shadowsteed would not

Those PR issues are not fatal to the idea, but they would still have to be managed and restrict what we can do with it in a way that they wouldn't if we made it not look like an undead or daemonic creature to first inspection.
 
If people aren't bothered by the AP expenditure, then we might be able to catch multiple riders, and equip them with different mounts for different purposes. Horses for breaking shield walls, cats for slicing up lone targets, wolves for monsters.

Of course, we're looking at a minimum of 1 AP per rider, possibly even 2, so it's a hefty project to commit to. But it would give us a wide range of tools for different situations.
 
AsuraAtlas said:
Okay, that's the second meme Boney's made in the last hour about not underestimating the spooky ghost necrofactor. I'm starting to think he might be trying to tell us something.
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OH. OH. I KNOW WHAT IT IS:

That he likes making and sharing funny memes.
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
It's more of a leash—

... Yeah, that doesn't actually make it better.
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Ya know what, I'm not voting for that any more, it feels skeevy and probably not something Ranald would find funny.

Come on folks: Great [house] Cat Knight, ride or die.
 
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Alratan said:
The opposite, I think.

There are some very bad connotations in the Emprie about summoning creatures that look like that, and it causes PR issues. It would particularly particularly cause PR issues to call up something that looked like a wraith in the middle of a city on market day, while sending out an apparently mundane being like a knight on a horse or one that is not unexpected to be there like a Grey Wizard on a Shadowsteed would not

Those PR issues are not fatal to the idea, but they would still have to be managed and restrict what we can do with it in a way that they wouldn't if we made it not look like an undead or daemonic creature to first inspection.
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Problem is it doesn't matter what our bound apparation ends up looking like, We know they will all treated like this;
chocolote12 said:
I haef made... picture.
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Nerdasaurus Rex said:
If people aren't bothered by the AP expenditure, then we might be able to catch multiple riders, and equip them with different mounts for different purposes. Horses for breaking shield walls, cats for slicing up lone targets, wolves for monsters.

Of course, we're looking at a minimum of 1 AP per rider, possibly even 2, so it's a hefty project to commit to. But it would give us a wide range of tools for different situations.
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I think the way it would work is that we're better off with similarly mounted Riders who can operate together as a consistent unit:

For example, a Mathilde riding on a shadow horse accompanied by a couple of knights on horses would probably work well together.

I think the incremental benefits of being able to cooperate would be better than having a load of different mounts.

Particularly as any rider shape can do what we really need to do what we need to with a monster, which is pin it down so it can't reach anyone who it might kill and then gradually wear it down. I don't think it matters if it take a minute or a minute and a half to die.
Tasoli said:
Problem is it doesn't matter what our bound apparation ends up looking like, We know they will all treated like this;
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If it doesn't look like a supernatural creature, how would anyone know that it wasn't a mundane knight or actually a real Grey Wizard?

The other people in the world aren't omniscient. If it looks like a knight or like a wizard, they won't magically know it's actually a summoned creature made of magic.
 
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Oh, wait, how did I not think of this before

[X] The Hunter Count astride a warhorse

Also
[X] Dammerlichtreiter
[X] Mathilde on a warhorse
[X] Knight
-[X] with Mathilde's heraldry
 
Boney said:
From a certain way of looking at it, there are two broad ways to be a Wizard in society. The first, as practiced by most of the Colleges in Altdorf, is to try to filter and dampen oneself so as to broadcast a palatable and unthreatening image in the hopes that the people around you will become comfortable with your presence among them. And then there is the example set by the likes of the Dark Lady of Nuln, Magister Matriarch Elspeth von Draken, who lets their true nature shine through in open challenge to the masses, and if they don't like it they see if they can work up the courage to do something about it.
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I see the spooky options as falling into the second camp, and I don't personally have a problem with it, especially with Mathilde at the helm.

That said, we are expecting other Grey Wizards to use this spell, and they might have a problem with a spell that makes them seem threatening.
 
[X] [RIDER] Misty Wraith on top of a Giant Wolf

[X] [SEVIROSCOPE] Auditory

I choose WOLVES over cats because it is WOLVES that do anti-large targets, while cats do anti-human, and Mathilde is super-specialized in bodying human-sized targets now. Cat has the most overlap with Mathilde, and the entire point of getting an Apparition was to do something that doesn't overlap too much with Mathilde's current skill set. Mathilde also has no real clue on how to train cats. Also WOLVES are pack hunters, whereas most cats are not.

As for the Seviroscope, do the one that can help the most people and can eventually be made without Mathilde's skills first. A morrsleib alarm can help save someone in a month; Kragg peering at the elemental with a magic camera will take substantially longer to yield useful results.
 
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[X] [SEVIROSCOPE] Visual

[X] [RIDER] The Dämmerlichtreiter
[X] [RIDER] Knight
-[X] Conventional Empire (Mathilde's Heraldry)
[X] [RIDER] Mathilde on a Shadowsteed
[X] [RIDER] Misty Wraith on top of a Giant Wolf
[X] [RIDER] Knight
-[X] Conventional Empire (Mathilde's Heraldry w/Wolf mount)
[X] [RIDER] A man who could look like a depiction of Ranald, though there's a lot of ambiguity about it due to the smoke drifitng around him partially obscuring his face at all times, in a knight costume, wielding swords, riding a horse-sized housecat.
 
[X] [SEVIROSCOPE] Visual
[X] [RIDER] Mounted Wraiths
[X] [RIDER] The Dämmerlichtreiter

[X] [RIDER] Witch-Hunter on Horseback, wearing Abelhelm's face

Few remember what he looks like. We could change that.
 
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Guile said:
Oh, wait, how did I not think of this before

[X] The Hunter Count astride a warhorse

Also
[X] Dammerlichtreiter
[X] Mathilde on a warhorse
[X] Knight
-[X] with Mathilde's heraldry
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I still don't really get why people are squicked about Mathilde's face being used, but I am absolutely squicked out by the idea of using the face of someone we cared about who died. I think it's an agency thing?
 
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