Mopman43
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That relied on Belegar's crown as the control unit for K8P, though.
And Thorgrim had never even seen that part of the display used.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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And Thorgrim had never even seen that part of the display used.
No, but if we put a waystone in it then he could maybe do it himself. The throne seems pretty well documented. He knew exactly how to operate the eyes.
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That kind of really depends. Waystones usually aren't mountain sized, outside of the huge ones that the Vortex island whose name i forgot stands upon, so whatever they did there is something a bit extra.
A stunning success might let us do that, but who knows.
I doubt the throne has any capacity to deal with whatever wacky chisel-hands nonsense we come up with. The stone of K8P for all that it was lost was a known quantity, this would not be.
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Even in our most wild of successes, I think adding the New Holds to the Karaz Ankor's network in their own right would involve too many Runesmith secrets to be viable. Maybe if we'd chosen to be based in Karak Eight Peaks.
At best, we could figure out everything else, and hope that Thorek could take the last few steps himself.
At best, we could figure out everything else, and hope that Thorek could take the last few steps himself.
If we do anything at all with the Dwarf Network, Thorgrim will find out sooner rather than later. And while I don't expect him to know what to do, I think he might eventually figure it out with the help of the Throne itself. And K8P reconnecting required Belegar's crown to be in range, but that was for a Waystone that had just been reactivated. For Karak Vlag (or Dum, for that matter), which was already active, no such range restriction was needed.
The Throne is, from what we know OOC, probably the Dwarf equivalent of Caledor and his pals, and was assumed to have a certain degree of compatibility with the Elf Network since they were both connected. I'd think the problem lies not on what the throne can or can't do, but on what Thorgrim knows and doesn't know about it, and on what he can figure out in a reasonable amount of time.
I was just thinking of who we could share our hideously illegal but also very valuable lore with and it just struck me, Cython. He does not have any interest in talking to the colleges and the Empire and his interest in what they would think of our reading habits is basically nil. If those scrolls have insights on the divine, which they well might given the author, I think he would be really interested.
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Bonus points is that we can make a copy. He won't care about the original
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It's been a long time but I vaguely recall WoQM answering why it would be a terrible idea to use our belt to become a necromancer-for-good given that it has a rune of one of the ancestor gods. Now just to be clear i'm not interested in doing that at all but if we wanted to secretly *practice* (as opposed to theoretical study) Articles breaching uses of magic to get our anti-dhar skills honed in one of our towers would that be something we can do reasonably safely, without risk of baclash from the Rune of Valaya (iirc)? Basically as we've seen there are many times when the right thing and what the articles permit are not the same. But I'm less clear on how far is too far like metaphysically in improving our magical knowledge and skill (for the best of reasons). Obviously doing harm to innocents, or harming anyone gratuitously, using chaos rituals etc are beyond the pale but what about experimenting with dhar to better understand it's interaction with the winds?
obviously risks of botching it will exist but just wondering if it's a almost certainly disastrous idea or just one with risks.
If the vitae can become powerstones can it be converted into warpstone? Could that be used to study warpstone with the aim of safely containing and destroying it? (although really it sounds like we have safer sources of warpstone for testing in the We)
All of this was prompted by a re-read of the quest from K8P and the list of items forbidden in Uzkulak of course made me wonder about the strategic possibilities of smuggling those items into Uzkulak to cause strife there lol.
(There being a compelling in character motivation to do so what with the slave market and having in some way contributed to its existence by taking part in transactions there)
Can college favor or our personal relationships be used to send a grey magister to Uzkulak to try and identify as much as one can of those from the empire and allied polities trading there?
Other random questions include:
Can we make it clear to the We that if it wanted to expand like 20 times over there would be full support in the form of food? I'm not clear whether the limiting factor is the bandwidth of information transmission when splitting off subgroups of the We or the time for the spiders to grow to maturity or what. Like are the We potentially extremely useful and expandable mercenaries since the death of individual spiders isn't a loss to them (by their own values). Only if they're excited about these possibilities ofc and understand all the potential downsides but just wondering!
Also what were people's thoughts about the downsides of Cython being the librarian? i see it got about half the votes as the winning option.
Sorry for all the questions and totally understand if the answer to some or all is read the thread to find out. Long time follower of the story but only occasional participant so there's a lot I've missed.
Edit: I second @DragonParadox on consulting Cython more regarding our forbidden lore. Even the parts it's uninterested in, Cython could be an excellent (i.e. safe to talk to, relatively knowledgeable about magic as a whole) person to consult about the advisability of a certain course of study. Would generally love to see more Cython involved research tbh if Boney is interested in writing that sort of thing.
Correct me if I'm wrong but of all the people we know, it's the one with the best combination of knowledge and exclusive access we have.
obviously risks of botching it will exist but just wondering if it's a almost certainly disastrous idea or just one with risks.
If the vitae can become powerstones can it be converted into warpstone? Could that be used to study warpstone with the aim of safely containing and destroying it? (although really it sounds like we have safer sources of warpstone for testing in the We)
All of this was prompted by a re-read of the quest from K8P and the list of items forbidden in Uzkulak of course made me wonder about the strategic possibilities of smuggling those items into Uzkulak to cause strife there lol.
(There being a compelling in character motivation to do so what with the slave market and having in some way contributed to its existence by taking part in transactions there)
Can college favor or our personal relationships be used to send a grey magister to Uzkulak to try and identify as much as one can of those from the empire and allied polities trading there?
Other random questions include:
Can we make it clear to the We that if it wanted to expand like 20 times over there would be full support in the form of food? I'm not clear whether the limiting factor is the bandwidth of information transmission when splitting off subgroups of the We or the time for the spiders to grow to maturity or what. Like are the We potentially extremely useful and expandable mercenaries since the death of individual spiders isn't a loss to them (by their own values). Only if they're excited about these possibilities ofc and understand all the potential downsides but just wondering!
Also what were people's thoughts about the downsides of Cython being the librarian? i see it got about half the votes as the winning option.
Sorry for all the questions and totally understand if the answer to some or all is read the thread to find out. Long time follower of the story but only occasional participant so there's a lot I've missed.
Edit: I second @DragonParadox on consulting Cython more regarding our forbidden lore. Even the parts it's uninterested in, Cython could be an excellent (i.e. safe to talk to, relatively knowledgeable about magic as a whole) person to consult about the advisability of a certain course of study. Would generally love to see more Cython involved research tbh if Boney is interested in writing that sort of thing.
Correct me if I'm wrong but of all the people we know, it's the one with the best combination of knowledge and exclusive access we have.
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Mopman43
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He left it largely mysterious, it's basically that someone theorized that Valaya could turn off the Rune, and Boney said "that's possibly why Kragg was willing to give a Wizard a Rune of 'dark magic without consequences'"
But it's up for grabs, I think.
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I guess with what we've seen in the thread about a sliver of Gazul's attention turning to us when we used the weapon of mass destruction tower, my reading is that there's definitely a point at which we'd get our comeuppance from the rune if we tried to use it to become the next coming of Nagash lol. Wasn't sure if Boney had clarified further or not but good to know!
I think our magic snake juice becoming radioactive would constitute a catastrophic failure in lab safety and critical thinking
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One of the first experiments clarified that yes, Vitae can curdle into Dhar from the light of the green moon and Mathilde, after doing her due diligence resolved to never let it happen again since holy shit there's already too much warpstone around, and creating more is the opposite of containing it.
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So if you have waystones A -> B -> C:
I thought they first turned off C and the flow from B to C stopped. Then they turned off B and the flow from A to B didn't stop until A was turned off?
I'm very confused!
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Also a finite throughout isn't necessarily a problem, right? It depends on how night that throughput is. It could be finite and more than enough for the winds of magic in the empire to be drained into.
Assuming the Karaz Ankor network is purifying the dhar from it's waystones, they might even benefit a lot as the remaining great runic works get activated.
@Boney how would you have portrayed a secret vampire!Mathilde, any thoughts on this?
She wouldn't have started out as a Vampire.
He'd be willing if there was an actual immediately apparent use for it that would let him get some mileage out of it in the very near future, rather than you just throwing him at months of exhausting study on the off-chance that it might come in useful some day.
Books are being copied over as needed, instead of all being done all at once. They'll all get done eventually.
It's in general and based on how the humans of Tobaro have been working and culturally intermingling with the Dwarves for thousands of years, which means they have a long history of proven reliability in Dwarven eyes. The named canonical Tobarans are from thirty years in the future, and would not be currently in charge.
Try it and find out.
Theoretically it could, albeit while skirting dangerously close to the Articles as the deliberate creation of warpstone could very easily be considered an act of dark magic, but Mathilde can get her hands on warpstone without expending vitae if there's an experiment she has in mind.
No. That would be an incredibly dangerous assignment that would directly endanger Uzkulak's profits, meaning that literally everyone in Uzkulak would want them dead if their identity was revealed. Algard would have the authority to give that order, but he'd be an idiot if he did so without an extremely compelling reason.
That's correct. If the Waystones are connected to the network, deactivating a Waystone also causes the Waystones that are sending energy to it to stop doing so. If the Waystones are not connected to the network then the energy continues anyway, which Mathilde theorizes is because without the network, there's no way for a Waystone being deactivated to communicate to the Waystones upstream that they should stop sending energy.
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Chlof
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I'm sure there would be no lasting consequences to letting Egrimm read the Scrolls of Zandri.
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I wonder if a more comprehensive and interlinked network would allow the signals to proliferate up another leg of the network, and then back down the leg where the shutoff is to send the deactivation command from the other direction?
When we tested this, was it on a leg with alternative routes, or was it along a critical path?
There were no other legs of the network that such signals could have proliferated through in the test.
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There's also more to Dhar corruption than just the direct physical effects of it. Every wind has a specific type of personality/mindstate required to wield it well and Dhar is no exception.
The Belt also doesn't do anything about the damage the Dhar fallout would be doing to the environment.
Further, for Mathilde in particular-
Using Dhar remains a bad idea, even if we're immune to the most direct and blatant consequences.
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Is that for the genealogical section that the halflings need anyway or for the entire library? I guess I'm wondering what 'as needed' means for the rest of the library.
Uhh is this an ominous try it and find out or a neutral "you don't know this IC so I'm not answering" one.
Thank you, was mostly interested in the theoretical question!
When you say 'connected to the network', does that specifically mean there's a connection to the Vortex downstream? (or some other nexus with control capabilities). (or rather, is that what Mathilde theorizes?)
Did Mathilde notice that the outer layer of the leyline melted into the stream between A -> B as well when C was turned off?
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Hadn't seen this reply before, ignore the question about 'try it and find out' pls.
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All of it.
The neutrality or ominousness of any given 'try it and find out' is entirely in the eye of the beholder.
That's what Mathilde theorizes. So far the data collected could theoretically indicate that it's all being controlled from Marienburg or anywhere downstream of it, but Mathilde thinks it's almost certainly the case that the controlling mechanism is based in Ulthuan or within the vortex itself.
Yes.
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Thoughts for the thread:
so essentially with the three waystones they were experimenting on (say ... -> A -> B -> C -> ...), deactivating C while it had a connection to the vortex was very different from deactivating B after C was already deactivated.
For future experiments I guess this means that if you don't want to deal with Caledor (or the ghost in the network's) ire we should be able to assume that any variations we perform on a set of waystones is easiest if the furthest downstream one amongst them is the first to be turned off and the last to be turned back on. (Admittedly Caledor/ghost could very well be upset about this lmao *after* the fact, it just wouldn't interrupt our experimentation 😇)
so essentially with the three waystones they were experimenting on (say ... -> A -> B -> C -> ...), deactivating C while it had a connection to the vortex was very different from deactivating B after C was already deactivated.
For future experiments I guess this means that if you don't want to deal with Caledor (or the ghost in the network's) ire we should be able to assume that any variations we perform on a set of waystones is easiest if the furthest downstream one amongst them is the first to be turned off and the last to be turned back on. (Admittedly Caledor/ghost could very well be upset about this lmao *after* the fact, it just wouldn't interrupt our experimentation 😇)
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Not sure if you saw this, it might help with visualizing the most recent experiment. My theory is that Caledor taking our button privileges away has nothing to do with the order in which we restarted them, and everything to do with the weeks worth of curdled Dhar that we allowed to build up in Johann's Waystone.
Which is not a huge amount in the scale of how much they bilge out of the Old World every day, but is probably a bit worse because from their perspective we were playing silly buggers with the Waystones.
