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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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dpara said:
3 places?... there is a waystone expert right in the stones!

If we can annoy him we can communicate with him!
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You joke, but we should check if there are any old Elven codes that can be broken down into signals we apply to Waystones. Also, I am curious as to what Thorek thinks of an Elgi managing to stay true to purpose as long as Grimnir has been fighting, an elgi from before the War of Vengeance.
 
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TimEd said:
Anyone remember what the golem in k8p was called? That could be an example on one way to make this a sacrifice without leaving it all in the care of a few mortals. Use/abuse the elementals.
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You mean Bok? Which is the sound our research team will make constantly as they try and figure out how to carve 2 more Runes than should be possible into an object ("5 runes where it's soul should be") that only somewhat exists?
 
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"The only other possibility would be divine," you observe. "A deity willing to dedicate Themselves to a land and take upon Them the burden of purifying a constant stream of Dhar within that land into divine energy."
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"No doubt in my mind, definitely less ambient Dhar around than in the Chaos Wastes," Egrimm says. "Hard to tell much more than that with this much turbulence, though. Timpania has a headache and Barbitus can't stand up without staggering like a drunken sailor. The overall trend is it definitely being drawn towards the mountain, though."

"That was my impression too," you say, nodding. "Can you pick up any more than that?"

Egrimm looks to Citharus, who is frowning, his eyes closed as he concentrates. "It's like the busiest, noisiest shepherd's tone I've ever heard," he says eventually. "Always falling, but never getting any lower. Or at least not fast enough to be detectable to me."
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Boney said:
With a tiny fizzle of Divine energy, a tiny piece of rock disappears from the lip of the crater, replaced by a few grains of sand that tumble down to join the rest of the desert.
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Karag Dum is feeding the Dhar that would normally absorved by the Karak-Waystone to a God - or at least some of it, some magic must be absorved by the Waystone because there was a flow from Dum to Vlag. The question of what God it is remains, though we do have a good hint as to what Gods it isn't:
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May the Ancestors forgive us
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Boney said:
"Caledor Dragontamer?" you ask, and Sarvoi nods. "I thought he sacrificed himself to create the Vortex."

"Oh, by all accounts he did. But the most potent way to sacrifice your life has always been to do so one day at a time."

There's a long, quiet moment as everyone tries to digest that idea, and you find it sticks in the throat quite unpleasantly. Hatalath looks especially horrified..
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With how old Hatalath is, this might be a case of being told that an old friend or mentor has been tortured for thousands of years, not just some random guy from the history books.
 
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Ergosum said:
Wait, how old is Hatalath? Might he have known Caledor personally?
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Probably not. The Grey Lords were exiled in the aftermath of the Sundering, which was about 1700 years after the creation of the Great Vortex. If any of the Grey Lords were that old and knew Caledor personally it's hard to see how they would have been banished in the first place.
 
@Boney Excellent update, well worth the wait. Thank you for your work. Intriguing and thought provoking, but my brain isn't quite at full capacity, so I'll spend some time trying to unpack the technicalities later.

Aside from the Caledor bomb drop everyone is reacting to, we got an important confirmation:
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"The reign of Bel Shanaar was a heady time," Hatalath says distantly. "We all thought it would last forever."
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This is confirmation of Hatalath's age, to an extent. He's a Bel Shannar-ian, which means he's at least in his 5000's, since Bel Shannar died around the -2750 IC time period.
 
mathymancer said:
Karag Dum is feeding the Dhar that would normally absorved by the Karak-Waystone to a God - or at least some of it, some magic must be
absorved by the Waystone because there was a flow from Dum to Vlag. The question of what God it is remains, though we do have a good hint as to what Gods it isn't:
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Boney said:
As you watch reality flinch away from him, Morghur the Shadowgave, immortal demigod of the Beastmen, bellows a warbling prayer to the mountain that has become his Herdstone, and from the trees countless more voices join him.
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Would Morghur be considered a God to that purpose?
 
K von Carstein said:
Imo, it's because he's several millennia old and a very powerful archmage, just like Caledor. He was likely imagining how it would have felt to be trapped during his millennia of life with his colleagues or something mike that.
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Also, being told that 'powerful elf archmage' is a key ingredient for a Waystone network when your a powerful elf archmage and surrounded by people trying to make a Waystone network is a bit of a vibe.
 
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You grimace. "And it stands to reason that even if any logistical concerns were handwaved away, any still-existing examples of the greater Runes would have a finite capacity."

Thorek takes even longer to consider this answer. "It does stand to reason," he eventually concludes
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Just want to note that I suspect Thorek is lying here. Technically, the reasoning can point to Mathilde's conclusion. But the truth might be something quite different.

(Or it's something simple, like a limited rate of conversion. But I doubt that alone would be enough for Thorek to lie about it.)
 
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Boney said:
"What about the Grey Lords?" you ask.

"Those of us who were from Saphethion weren't considered trustworthy enough," Hatalath says with a sniff. "Considering some of those that were, I take it as an endorsement."
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If you weren't aware of Saphethion, then check this wiki page. It was the ancient capital and centre of learning in Saphery long before the White Tower of Hoeth and a flying magic city that crashed during the Sundering. The information is from Gav Thorpe's novels, but I distinctly remember mentions of this city, albeit not by name, in the 6th Edition High Elf book. Essentially, many of those that were part of Saphethion either betrayed the Asur for the Druchii, enticed by Malekith's promises and sick of Qhaysh's teachings and wanting to use Dhar, and there were those who had grown drunk on power hunting down the traitors, such that the City became a battleground and ended up crashing in the Annuli Mountains. The "lesser mages" of the modern days are apparently incapable of recreatng the wonders of Saphethion.

Hatalath's jab here is clearly directed towards the absolute mess that the City turned out to be.
 
mathymancer said:
Karag Dum is feeding the Dhar that would normally absorved by the Karak-Waystone to a God - or at least some of it, some magic must be
absorved by the Waystone because there was a flow from Dum to Vlag. The question of what God it is remains, though we do have a good hint as to what Gods it isn't:
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...I'm guessing Hashut, 'cuz of the Beastman demi-god being bound, and slavery being very much up his alley.
 
If there's a need for a soul inside/in charge of the Waystone network, that's possibly another reason to investigate Apparitions and Gazulite Lore.

In terms of managing Dhar, I wonder if it would be possible to bind one of the Apparitions that eats Dhar while simultaneously bleeding it of AV containing an equal amount of energy.
 
BeepSmile said:
...I'm guessing Hashut, 'cuz of the Beastman demi-god being bound, and slavery being very much up his alley.
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Wouldn't make sense. We sensed the God's divine energy when they were making the sand, and it was not Chaotic in nature. Aside from that, Hashut is the God of Tyranny. Karag Dum are way too isolationist to fit with his general creed of domination. Even the Chaos Dwarves involve themselves in Geopolitics by being war profiteers. Karag Dum aren't even doing anything, they're just minding their business. Hashut doesn't vibe with that.
 
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