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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Deathbybunnies said:
Gold is ephemeral and worthless, but AP is a treasure beyond measure. We aren't going to have any spare to learn a language to read exactly one set of scrolls, even if they're very cool scrolls, for several years.
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That is unreasonable and I think we can use webmat to learn the language just have to give justification to our minions to take the class with Mathilde. Like we want Engrimm to take a language class so he can investigate that cult that built the pyramids.
 
So for the Liber Mortalis that Mathilde has what exactly make it super dangerous other then the necromancy?Since I've heard that it's super dangerous because it has a bunch of suer corruptive knowledge or because it actually teaches the step by step process in a helpful and detailed manner instead of just hiding it in cryptic descriptions and various memetic hazards
 
Mopman43 said:
It's still taught by the Colleges. So it's favor.

At least going off of Boney's info post on it.
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Nah, we can spend money:
Boney said:
Study: As a Magister, you're no longer barred from returning to the Grey College. If you've been pulling your weight for the Order, you can return to it to further your studies. Each costs 1 College Favour or 100gc.
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Nurgle said:
That is unreasonable and I think we can use webmat to learn the language just have to give justification to our minions to take the class with Mathilde. Like we want Engrimm to take a language class so he can investigate that cult that built the pyramids.
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We can only do this if we have something for them to do with the knowledge immediately afterwards. I'm not against learning more about the cult of Tahoth Trisheros, but I'll be surprised if we reach out to them in the next few turns over other actions.
 
I think that Scribes ia the most important option for our library next. It is kinda a requisite to negotiate with greater libraries.
 
Balmung1 said:
So for the Liber Mortalis that Mathilde has what exactly make it super dangerous other then the necromancy?Since I've heard that it's super dangerous because it has a bunch of suer corruptive knowledge or because it actually teaches the step by step process in a helpful and detailed manner instead of just hiding it in cryptic descriptions and various memetic hazards
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Van Hal had only a fraction of the magical talent Mathilde has, and he managed to stall the Skaven in a war of attrition across a whole imperial province.

Mathilde has a much higher starting point when it comes to magical power, she has equipment that will prevent her from going insane, and can hide her actions much better because she's a Grey Wizard Lord magister.
Not to mention the other forbidden lore she's privy to, and the techniques she's forbidden herself from using (Ulgu Tongs to use the other seven winds)
 
Ok since geometry/astronomy plays a part in waystone we should send Engrimm to infiltrate the cult to learn their secrets, he should probably learn the language the cult was originally founded in too for any justification we can use.
 
IronFist said:
Van Hal had only a fraction of the magical talent Mathilde has, and he managed to stall the Skaven in a war of attrition across a whole imperial province.

Mathilde has a much higher starting point when it comes to magical power, she has equipment that will prevent her from going insane, and can hide her actions much better because she's a Grey Wizard Lord magister.
Not to mention the other forbidden lore she's privy to, and the techniques she's forbidden herself from using (Ulgu Tongs to use the other seven winds)
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So from what it sounds like Van Hal managed to at the ver leat keep in check most of the meglomania and insanity necromanceers have.Though what about the Liber Mortalis? what makes it unique
 
Having just been to the Collection Of Important InfoTM​, I came across one point in favour of learning High Nehekharan:
Boney said:
Languages mapped by their relationships to and descent from other languages.

Languages mapped specifically by their descent from that of the Old Ones, with thanks to @Redshirt Army.
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As the second image shows, it's one of the languages that traces its lineage directly from the Old One tongue, so anyone who thinks learning magical languages derived from that might lead to something cool should be interested.
 
Balmung1 said:
So from what it sounds like Van Hal managed to at the ver leat keep in check most of the meglomania and insanity necromanceers have.Though what about the Liber Mortalis? what makes it unique
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It's an amazing primer on Necromantic lore that doesn't try to kill you, and teaches you the First and Second Secrets of Dhar, which can make any two bit necromancer into a serious threat.
 
Balmung1 said:
So from what it sounds like Van Hal managed to at the ver leat keep in check most of the meglomania and insanity necromanceers have.Though what about the Liber Mortalis? what makes it unique
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He didn't keep it in check.
He just started out more educated, had Vlad as an advisor and an enemy in front of him.

As soon as the Skaven were mostly repelled, he lost his marbles to paranoia, and Vlad executed him.

It was just a Vampire experimenting to see if a human could use necromancy without going crazy. They can't.

And what makes it unique, is that it is written in Reikspiel, in accessible language that any literate wannabe necromancer could read and use to become a province spanning threat.
 
Briefvoice said:
[ ] Seek an exchange arrangement with another Library or a Karak's archives to be able to make copies of their corpus (specify which, eg: Great Library of Marienburg, Great Library of Altdorf, Ancient Library of Carroburg, Karaz-a-Karak Archives, Karak Vlag Archives)

[ ] Seek an agreement with a Cult to have access to their libraries (specify which, eg: Verenans, Myrmidians, Sigmarites)

Seems like some very basic stuff and I think we should start with the easy ones. Say the Great Library of Altdorf and the Cult of Verena. Karak Vlag can wait, let's just lay the foundations properly by getting the regular old boring books that are necessary for a scholar to have on hand to consult when they're trying to understand the rare and esoteric ones.

EDIT: I actually expect some snide remarks from the Verenans about how this wizard is trying to start a great library and it's been years and she hasn't seen fit to ask their advice or consultation.
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I only want to find the Vlag stuff because there is a real chance of finding Waystone stuff that's been forgotten, or at least what they were doing with their one.
 
Boney said:
[ ] Corruption: Loyalty to the darker powers has great costs, but greater rewards. Or was it the other way around?
Choice of Chaos (access to blessings of Chaos) or Vampire Counts (access to Necromancy and Vampirism); the downsides to such domineering overseers are as obvious as they are numerous.
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@Boney how would you have portrayed a secret vampire!Mathilde, any thoughts on this? :)
 
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Any time you go "This dangerous mind-affect magic has gone wrong for everyone else, but i am different. I have equipment and skill to handle it", you may just be throwing yourself on the pile of "It did in fact go wrong"
 
The liber mortis is not dangerous because it has some awesome curse on it. It's dangerous because you could probably get a moody teenager near a small church yard to challenge current state stirland and come out not too shabby with it.

Edit: it makes necromancy easy, very easy. And that's bad, very bad.
 
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I'm finally confident enough in my skills to try building Alarielle now. The detail on the model is a marked improvement compared to most others, and I'm noticing things a lot more. It also helps that she's the first actually humanoid model I'm crafting. I will note that her beetle is way more complex than she is though, so I'm not looking forward to that.

I will note one thing though. I really couldn't help but notice in the process of attaching Alarielle's leg that her thighs are...huge. Distractingly so. Everqueen never skips leg day.
 
Personally, I think scribes have to be the next priority. Having arrangements with libraries won't help if we don't have the scribes to copy down their texts.

The sooner we get them trained, the quicker we'll also be able to use our Great Deed to copy the University of Nuln's library.

I also really want to get to learn Nehekharan, but we have to consider AP as always. If Egrimm has a particular interest in it, maaaybe it'll be a plausible Web-Mat action that he won't mind, but I wouldn't bet on it.

Actually, I guess we can just ask. @Boney would Egrimm want to continue learning High Nehekharan, or would it be a Max and powerstones situation where he would expect some sort of compensation out of it?
 
Deathbybunnies said:
We can only do this if we have something for them to do with the knowledge immediately afterwards.
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When has Boney said that we have to do something with the knowledge immediately afterwards? Having Egrimm learn Nehekharan for the project is perfectly sensible, even if we're not going to look at the Nehekharan Waystone network anytime soon: knowledge of the language will allow him to more directly engage with whatever Nehekharan texts the Light Order has, which might allow him to have a better understanding of whatever Waystone lore the Lights know. This isn't at all like the proposed idea of teaching Max power stone creation, if we tell Egrimm that we're going to learn Nehekharan it will be immediately obvious why we are doing it and he is going to have zero problems with it.

By the way, we absolutely should look at the Nehekharan Waystone network sometime soon. Our project members have knowledge of four different networks, but the Lights are the only one who aren't actively using the network they know about, and so would probably be willing to share secrets that they would never share if the network was theirs. If we want to figure out Waystone networks this is where we should start.

EDIT: I think that after the thread's attempt to launder the power stone classes through WEB-MAT got struck down some of us have over corrected. Taking Nehekharan lessons with Egrimm makes sense, and it is also convenient for our AP economy. Sometimes that happens, you know? Sometimes the stars align and you can kill two birds with one WEB-MAT AP. No need to talk ourselves out of a good idea.
 
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Scribes are probably not the worst idea for the next part. Getting all the infrastructure set up first for our library is good so that people can learn for their job before they get flooded by books.
 
We've been told that we can negotiate copying agreements without having the scribes ready. There's not really any point in hiring them early.

mathymancer said:
When has Boney said that we have to do something with the knowledge immediately afterwards? Having Egrimm learn Nehekharan for the project is perfectly sensible, even if we're not going to look at the Nehekharan Waystone network anytime soon: knowledge of the language will allow him to more directly engage with whatever Nehekharan texts the Light Order has, which might allow him to have a better understanding of whatever Waystone lore the Lights know. This isn't at all like the proposed idea of teaching Max power stone creation, if we tell Egrimm that we're going to learn Nehekharan it will be immediately obvious why we are doing it and he is going to have zero problems with it.

By the way, we absolutely should look at the Nehekharan Waystone network sometime soon. Our project members have knowledge of four different networks, but the Lights are the only one who aren't actively using the network they know about, and so would probably be willing to share secrets that they would never share if the network was theirs. If we want to figure out Waystone networks this is where we should start.
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There hasn't been any indication that this is something holding Egrimm back, for one. We don't actually know that they have any relevant Nehekharan texts. If we have him take the class and then actual reasons to know Nehekharan don't materialise, he'll be pissed off, and rightly so. Better to wait until there's something the lack of knowledge is actually blocking.
 
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